Is it a sin for women to wear bikinis?

[The_Bucket]

I never said you shouldn’t be sexually attracted. My issue is the crude way in which you referred to her. My issue is with the apparent lack of respect.

I am nothing but respectful of my wife. I’m also attracted to her, find her sexy, etc and I have no problem with expressing that. If it makes you feel better, I don’t talk about women in pubs.

 

[LittleSoldier]

I am judging NO ONE. I am saying that if you are a Christian, and no one can tell that you are from your witness, then there is a problem. Your witness is not just words. It is behaviors, attitudes, and yes, it is dress. I have never seen anyone do so much rationalizing for behavior that is as objectively immoral as I have seen on this thread.

I have never seen another thread in which so much rationalization, judging, self-righteous, and hypocritical behavior is evident.

It’s not your call, Carl. It’s not your decision. It’s not the decision of anyone who is posting on this thread. We don’t make the rules. God does.

 

[CWBetts]

So a wife shouldn’t want to show off her body to her husband? And we shouldn’t all be proud of the hard work we do to keep ourselves in shape? It’s not wrong to say, buy a new car and take it for a drive to show it off. Making that car the center of your life or define you or intentionally try to make other people envious, well that’s vanity. It’s not wrong to be proud of yourself for making yourself healthier and more appealing to the opposite sex and show it off… within some boundaries. Like say a woman shouldn’t get into great shape, put on a g-string and start heavily flirting with men and a man who gets into great shape shouldn’t walk around shirtless and invite women to touch his chest, abs or biceps.

Go back and read. This is not about showing off to her husband, but at the beach.

 

[The_Bucket]

Go back and read. This is not about showing off to her husband, but at the beach.

I buy a sexy new sportscar. I polish it up and take it for a drive down the main drag and enjoy people thinking I have a cool car. I don’t want people to be jealous, I just want to be noticed a little bit. I don’t make the car the center of my life, but I like to show it off sometimes. Is that wrong?

 

[DoulaMama]

I have never seen another thread in which so much rationalization, judging, self-righteous, and hypocritical behavior is evident.

You haven’t been on the “Traditional Catholic” section of CA much, have you?

I do agree this has gotten ugly, maybe it’s time for the moderator to close the thread…

 

[Advocatus_Fidei]

My wife, the mother of my two kids, looks ridiculously hot in a bikini.

Surely we both are going to hell.

I’m sure other men who see her in a bikini would also like to sleep with your incredibly hot wife, which is part of the problem.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Now pay attention. If someone feels the need to show off, that is pride. I, too am working on losing weight, but not to show off the “new me” but to take care of the gift that God has given me. The mere fact that she can’t wait to show it off belies her real motives. I would recommend you learn how to read critically.

Really? You are judging again, Carl. I’m really surprised that you can’t see that. It must be that beam in your eye. You are now implying that she is a liar.

I don’t care if you are trying to lose weight. I don’t, although I wish you luck.

I know how to read critically. I’ve gotten a lot of experience on CAF and this particular thread has been very instructive. And actually I’m laughing because I’m amazed that so many people are so intensely wrapped up in their robes of self-righteousness.

I am. I find this thread to be very funny. There are real problems in the world today: the Muslim plan to convert Europe to Islam, the wars, starvation, abortion, female circumcision…I don’t think I need to go on. And here we have a simple thread about bikinis and people are coming out of the woodwork to tell some of us that we aren’t modest, that we are sinning, that we shall have to answer to God for our sins and for the sins we led others into, and on and on and on ad nauseum.

Ad nauseum.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Crazy women and who they’re attracted to. I’m not going to rock the boat though.

Bucket and Bob, you are two very lucky guys. I sometimes wish I could find someone like you. I miss my husband very much.

You both have treasures and you both are treasures.

I just wanted to say that. God bless you!

 

[PatriceA]

I’m sure other men who see her in a bikini would also like to sleep with your incredibly hot wife, which is part of the problem.

You are all assuming his wife is wearing it around other men. And CWBetts if you were referring to me and showing off, the only place I said I would be wearing it would be with my other girlfriends and for my husband for our upcoming vacation, and that certainly would be in private.

 

[Advocatus_Fidei]

Really? I’m pretty sure the material and manufacturing processes used to create bikinis did not exist in ancient Rome. If by “pagan” you mean it’s anti-Christian, what is your reply to poorer cultures or African Christian cultures where females being barechested is considered completely normal?

Firstly women in African cultures not covering themselves has nothing to do with poverty, there are far more poor African women who DO cover themselves. And the ones who don’t do not do so simply because thy have continued to dress the way they did before they became Christians, when they were pagans.

 

[LittleSoldier]

I simply aware that lust is one of the seven deadly sins, and lusting after your spouse is still lust. Why do you think I am unsatisfied with my station in life? Excuse be for offending your idea that you are a paragon of Catholicism.

I’ll bite. Why are you unsatisfied with your station in life (whatever that is)?

Perhaps “lust” was not the proper word to have been used. But if spouses are not sexually attracted to each other to the point where fireworks explode in the sky, there is a problem. Spouses are supposed to want to be with each other in a sexual way and not only for procreation but to continue to build intimacy. Sex between spouses is a holy thing. It is an expression of love and total committment.

 

[LittleSoldier]

You are all assuming his wife is wearing it around other men. And CWBetts if you were referring to me and showing off, the only place I said I would be wearing it would be with my other girlfriends and for my husband for our upcoming vacation, and that certainly would be in private.

I don’t think Carl is happy with either one of us.

 

[DoulaMama]

I’m sure other men who see her in a bikini would also like to sleep with your incredibly hot wife, which is part of the problem.

That is VERY crude and inappropriate!

 

[LittleSoldier]

Firstly women in African cultures not covering themselves has nothing to do with poverty, there are far more poor African women who DO cover themselves. And the ones who don’t do not do so simply because thy have continued to dress the way they did before they became Christians, when they were pagans.

Source, please. Thank you.

 

[BobObob]

I have never seen anyone do so much rationalizing for behavior that is as objectively immoral as I have seen on this thread.

What objectively immoral things

What behaviors that have you seen that the Catholic Church has defined as objectively disordered do you see being justified on this thread?

If there is a formal CC teaching against anything on this thread just cite it.

BTW, the difference with judging a person versus saying that a certain behavior is wrong is that when you judge someone you are asserting that you know the person is morally guilty for having done evil. To say that you think a certain activity that something is doing is sinful isn’t judging. However, if you assert that you know a person’s intention and moral culpability (saying “you sinned”) would be judging.

 

[LittleSoldier]

So, I can’t find my wife to be sexy? I can’t be sexually attracted to her, be turned on by her or whatever else, even when not in private? How, pray tell, should I initiate marital relations then? Should I be overcome with pure love of her character and soul and expect my body to respond? Sorry, that’s just absurd.

When I find myself very connected to her soul and her character, I tend to write a poem or letter to her and leave it on the bed.

When I’m physically attracted I want to, well, connect physically. Pretty sure she feels the same way. Sometimes anyway.

No, you’re not supposed to find your wife to be sexy. It has been said so in this thread and you must follow what these other people say, even though they have no teaching authority and have no conception of what your marriage is like. They have the right to dictate your sexual behavior within the confines of marriage.

You didn’t know that?

 

[BobObob]

I’ll bite. Why are you unsatisfied with your station in life (whatever that is)?

Perhaps “lust” was not the proper word to have been used. But if spouses are not sexually attracted to each other to the point where fireworks explode in the sky, there is a problem. Spouses are supposed to want to be with each other in a sexual way and not only for procreation but to continue to build intimacy. Sex between spouses is a holy thing. It is an expression of love and total committment.

I think it’s important when talking about lust to understand what lust is. CCC 2351 says:

“Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.”

After looking at the Latin text, I can see that the word “desire” in CCC 2351 refers to an active “desire”, roughly meaning to want or strive for something, rather than a passive meaning, that of merely being attracted to something.

 

[estesbob]

I’m sure other men who see her in a bikini would also like to sleep with your incredibly hot wife, which is part of the problem.

Actually most men are perfectly capable of admiring an attractive woman and not wanting to sleep with her.

 

[CWBetts]

What objectively immoral things

What behaviors that have you seen that the Catholic Church has defined as objectively disordered do you see being justified on this thread?

If there is a formal CC teaching against anything on this thread just cite it.

BTW, the difference with judging a person versus saying that a certain behavior is wrong is that when you judge someone you are asserting that you know the person is morally guilty for having done evil. To say that you think a certain activity that something is doing is sinful isn’t judging. However, if you assert that you know a person’s intention and moral culpability (saying “you sinned”) would be judging.

To say that someone is sinning is not judging. To condemn them to damnation is judging.

 

[mamabear3]

This is ridiculous, wearing a bikini is not a sin. I think being frumpy and not caring about what you look like because you’re afraid of being vain is a sin against yourself. We’re not puritans people!