Is it a sin for women to wear bikinis?

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Actually most men are perfectly capable of admiring an attractive woman and not wanting to sleep with her.
How do you know that exactly been that you are not inside most men’s heads?

And it would not matter whether we are talking about most, few or whatever percentage.

Most men I have worked with who verbalise their thoughts on seeing a picture of a woman in a bikini are of a sexual nature they don’t start talking in poetic fashion about her beauty they talk about what they would like to do to her.

Maybe I am just unlucky and happen to work with a huge bunch of perverts but I doubt I am alone in this experience.
 
To say that someone is sinning is not judging. To condemn them to damnation is judging.
Do you have evidence from the Catholic Church that condemning them is not judging them? Considering that you say your getting your MA in theology at FUS (same school as I), I would think that you could do some research to see what the CC says about this.

As I noted in post 233, there’s a huge difference between saying something is wrong and saying that a the state of a persons soul has been affected a certain way (for example, lost sanctifying grace) because person who did that particular thing.
 
This is ridiculous, wearing a bikini is not a sin. I think being frumpy and not caring about what you look like because you’re afraid of being vain is a sin against yourself. We’re not puritans people!
Oh yes those awful nuns are terrible sinners the way they dress and never do their hair or anything.
 
LittleSoldier;6751929:
I have never seen another thread in which so much rationalization, judging, self-righteous, and hypocritical behavior is evident.

You haven’t been on the “Traditional Catholic” section of CA much, have you? 😉

I do agree this has gotten ugly, maybe it’s time for the moderator to close the thread…
I went there a few times. :eek: I wrote a post in which I asked why there was so much anger. I noticed that the threads were being closed rather quickly.

You’re right - that is the worst section in terms of anger and nastiness. I’m not going back!

I was thinking the same thing about this thread (that it should be closed). I’m surprised that we are arguing so much over something that is really such a small issue. As Rick in Casablanca would say “It doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.” [paraphrasing]
 
Perhaps because I am one. are you?
Ah I see and you think all men are like you do you? My point been you are just one person you have no idea whether you are the norm and can be said to represent most men.

And yes I am also a man.
 
Most men I have worked with who verbalise their thoughts on seeing a picture of a woman in a bikini are of a sexual nature they don’t start talking in poetic fashion about her beauty they talk about what they would like to do to her.

Maybe I am just unlucky and happen to work with a huge bunch of perverts but I doubt I am alone in this experience.
It seems that people who grow up in cultures where there is an unhealthy view of the human body and the view that the human body can never be exposed more often become perverts.

Funny. Cultures with more puritanical view regarding dress seem to have more problems with lust and porn, not less.
 
Oh yes those awful nuns are terrible sinners the way they dress and never do their hair or anything.
Now wait a minute. My aunt was a nun and I know a bit about them. Many do not wear a traditional habit, and they do take care of their hair (I mean they have their hair fashionably cut and do not cover it up).

Are they sinners? Yes, they are. Every single one of them sins. Just like us.
 
Now wait a minute. My aunt was a nun and I know a bit about them. Many do not wear a traditional habit, and they do take care of their hair (I mean they have their hair fashionably cut and do not cover it up).

Are they sinners? Yes, they are. Every single one of them sins. Just like us.
The fact that many have gone away from the habit is a shame. I wish more would return to the habit.
 
It seems that people who grow up in cultures where there is an unhealthy view of the human body and the view that the human body can never be exposed more often become perverts.

Funny. Cultures with more puritanical view regarding dress seem to have more problems with lust and porn, not less.
That is total nonsense, you must be laughing as you say that there is no way you can be saying that with a straight face surely.

The previously mentioned Africans who wear hardly any clothing often don’t eevn pretend to practice monogamy, the only reason they don’t have a problem with lust is because they don’t recognise it as a problem in their culture adultery and fornication are perfectly fine by their pagan moral standards.

Furthermore our society with its culture that worships sex as the greatest good has far more problems with lust as shown by the huge amount of adultery and fornication that goes on than the Victorians ever did, sure lust still existed, it exists in every culture made up of people, but in our morally decadent society were women think it is perfectly fine to go into public in their underwear as long as they call it a bikini , and men like you encourage them to do so things are much, much worse.
 
Do you have evidence from the Catholic Church that condemning them is not judging them? Considering that you say your getting your MA in theology at FUS (same school as I), I would think that you could do some research to see what the CC says about this.

As I noted in post 233, there’s a huge difference between saying something is wrong and saying that a the state of a persons soul has been affected a certain way (for example, lost sanctifying grace) because person who did that particular thing.
All I have said that is a sin (and by extension anyone who does it is sinning) I have never once made mention of the gravity of the sin. Would you please now stop badmouthing me. I am just trying to hold the position that immodest dress is sinful.
 
Ah I see and you think all men are like you do you? My point been you are just one person you have no idea whether you are the norm and can be said to represent most men.

And yes I am also a man.
So when you see an attracitve woman in a Bikini do you want to sleep with them?
 
So when you see an attracitve woman in a Bikini do you want to sleep with them?
Well Bob I try not to look, call me old fashioned but I still believe in practising a thing called custody of the eyes.
 
I beg to differ. Not one of the statements you posted actually states what types of clothing are worn by men and women in an immodest way. They are general statements and can be interpreted in many different ways.

That quote denotes no such thing! It doesn’t use or even imply “shame” or “recoiling from trespassing the boundaries of propriety.” All it states is that “women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel.” That’s it. How did you ever get from that simple little statement to “shame” and "recoiling from trespassing the boundaries of propriety? I think you’re reading a whole lot more into those quotes than what is actually there.

Mini skirts and bikinis are not unseemly apparel. You have your opinion and I have mine. I’m not going to worry about inciting “sinful desires” in men and I’m not going to change my opinion.
Dear LittleSoldier,

Cordial greetings and a very good day to you. Thankyou most kindly for your response to my post.

Whilst the statements from our Catechism do not stipulate the types of immodest clothing that are to be avoided, they hardly sit comfortably, by any reasonable interpretation, with mini-skirts, bikini’s and low cut garments. How can modesty possibly “inspire the choice” of such degrading clothing?; and surely to be clad in such apparel is an unveiling of that which should remain hidden?

The word translated “modesty” in I Tim. 2: 9 does indicate a sense of shame and a shrinking from exceeding the bounds of propriety and thus a proper reserve when it comes to clothing. That is the most obvious elucidation of the Sacred text and the one with which the majority of orthodox exegetes agree with. Of course this does not necessarily entail a woman having to balk at all fashion, only those fashions which happen to be unseemly and indecent.

LittleSoldier, are you not being slightly uncharitable and insensitive when you baldly remark that you are “not going to worry about inciting sinful desires in men…”? Regardless of your opinion in this matter, this sounds a rather harsh and unkind attitude to have towards members of the male sex, especially as a Catholic. As I said previously, we are all individually responsible for resisting the manifold temptations that come our way, however we should not be indifferent to the fact that our inconsiderate actions may be causing another to sin and fall from grace. Any woman who wears seductive and revealing clothing has the potential to become a prime mover in causing a man to commit adultery with her in his heart (cf. St. Matt. 5: 28); would any respectable and God fearing Catholic woman wish to be responsible for being the occasion of such a sin?

Ostentatious and seductive attire, like bikini’s and mini-skirts, hardly point to a mind which is set upon that which is heavenly (see Col. 3: 2). Interior purity and chastity will always be accompanied by outward modesty which makes iteself known by the wearing of seemly attire.

This is not about being a moralistic fuddy-duddy, but about the wearing of clothing that is expressive of inner modesty and of a sober outlook on life, the outlook of a devout Catholic.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait
 
To say that someone is sinning is not judging. To condemn them to damnation is judging.
You have implied that I need to learn how to read critically. OK, I will do so with your post, as quoted above.

Let’s follow your logic a bit. Are you saying it’s OK for you to tell me I am immodest and sinning but that isn’t judging me because you’re not sending me to hell (which is what condemning a person to damnation is)?

You don’t have the power to send me to hell. You can’t condemn me to damnation. Ergo, according to you, people can’t judge.

Your definition (if that’s what it is) of judging is incorrect.

Let’s take the example of the woman who was going to be stoned. Were the people condemning her to damnation? No, because they didn’t have the power to do that. Only God has that power. Yet Jesus told them that the one among them without fault should cast the first stone. And they all walked away from her.

So are you saying they weren’t judging her? I want to be sure I understand what you are trying to say. I always thought they were judging her. I was always taught they were judging her; taught by Catholics.
 
Mini skirts and bikinis are not unseemly apparel. You have your opinion and I have mine. I’m not going to worry about inciting “sinful desires” in men and I’m not going to change my opinion.
I guess love your neighbour doesn’t apply to you eh, you are special.
 
That is total nonsense, you must be laughing as you say that there is no way you can be saying that with a straight face surely.

The previously mentioned Africans who wear hardly any clothing often don’t eevn pretend to practice monogamy, the only reason they don’t have a problem with lust is because they don’t recognise it as a problem in their culture adultery and fornication are perfectly fine by their pagan moral standards.

Furthermore our society with its culture that worships sex as the greatest good has far more problems with lust as shown by the huge amount of adultery and fornication that goes on than the Victorians ever did, sure lust still existed, it exists in every culture made up of people, but in our morally decadent society were women think it is perfectly fine to go into public in their underwear as long as they call it a bikini , and men like you encourage them to do so things are much, much worse.
Are you going to please provide a source as I requested in post #232? Right now all you are doing is making unfounded assertions, not backed up by any documentation.
 
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