Is it a sin to question the teachings of the CC?

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As some of you have seen in another thread here, i do in these question these matters:
  • Is the Catholic church or the Orthodox church the true origin church?
  • Who of them has the oldest and most untouched liturgy?
  • Why do i get a more sense of holyness in the divine orthodox liturgy?
  • Do i offend God, Lord Jesus Christ, Blessed Pope Benedict XVI, Blessed Virgin Mary
    and all the saints?
Do i commit a grave sin by doubting like i do now? This has been clouding my mind for the last two weeks. I need to talk to my priest for sure, but how bad is this?
 
This may be involuntary doubt, thus not a sin. Still, ask your priest.
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No, the only alternative is two russian orthodox parishes, Greek or serbian orthodox. The catholic faith in Norway is growing, but not to that level yet.
 
Is it a sin to question the teachings of the CC?
The belief itself should not be questioned but how it is can be cf. The Blessed Virgin Mary at the Annunciation.

Eastern Catholic Yes. Eastern Orthodox No.

Talking this over with your priest: that’s very good advice.
Lord, increase our Faith
 
The belief itself should not be questioned but how it is can be cf. The Blessed Virgin Mary at the Annunciation.

Eastern Catholic Yes. Eastern Orthodox No.

Talking this over with your priest: that’s very good advice.
We don`t have Eastern catholic rite or church in Norway. I will talk with my priest indeed.
It hurts and disturbs-disrupts.
 
Hoping that you have read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
I got some talking to do.
I got (a lot) of reading to do.
I got some serious thinking to do.

I have no problems admitting that. So i have said to God, in open, in pure words.
 
There’s nothing wrong with questioning – I believe that God gave us brains because He expects us to use them. I’ve done a LOT of questioning over the years. But I always come back to “upon this rock . . .”
 
Padraig, maybe you would want to look at the monks of Holy Resurrection Monastery, a group who is pretty much about as Greek Catholic you can get. It’s the best of both worlds, in union with the Pope and liturgically Greek.
 
As some of you have seen in another thread here, i do in these question these matters: - Is the Catholic church or the Orthodox church the true origin church? - Who of them has the oldest and most untouched liturgy? - Why do i get a more sense of holyness in the divine orthodox liturgy? - Do i offend God, Lord Jesus Christ, Blessed Pope Benedict XVI, Blessed Virgin Mary and all the saints? Do i commit a grave sin by doubting like i do now? This has been clouding my mind for the last two weeks. I need to talk to my priest for sure, but how bad is this?
The evil one tries our souls to the end and we must persevere to the end. Doubt is a work of the enemy for sure, but you must hold to the Truth and prevail. I am a recent convert and I encourage you after being in the realm of protestant & worldly pull that the Catholic Church IS the Church He founded. True to the end, secure in Truth. Many even those that are Catholic are in error, I know this, but HE is Lord of His Church, TRUST HIM!!!

My love always and forever in this “battle” to the end,
mlz
 
  • Is the Catholic church or the Orthodox church the true origin church?
This question would get thrown out of any serious academic inquiry because it has methodological problems you could drive a truck through.

As I am Catholic, I would suggest that * Orientalium Ecclesiarum * is the best summary of the church’s thinking on relations with the Churches not in union with Rome, which would give one the answer for any legitimate line of inquiry along these lines.
  • Who of them has the oldest and most untouched liturgy?
Neither. Both the current “Byzantine Rite” and the so-called “Traditional Latin Mass” are High Medieval redactions of earlier liturgies, one for monastic use and the other as a “shorter” liturgy for those on the Roman curia. Both of them, from what I’ve been told, are quite different in many rubrics, in church architecture, and even in some ways thought than their Late Antique predecessors.

For instance, both the Late Antique Roman and Byzantine Rite were mass-events - the bishop of Rome or Constantinople would be, in modern terms, the only celebrant, he only held it around 2 times a week beyond Sunday, and the basilicas where the Sunday liturgy was celebrated (St. Peter’s, St. John Lateran, St. Paul’s Outside the Wall in Rome, Saint Sophia or the Blachernae in Constantinople) were built to accommodate most of the people of the city. Also note that the layout of these basilicas makes no sense for the modern liturgies, but were designed for the older ones. For instance, the columns which kept the men and women separate. (St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantiople insisted on this because otherwise he thought the women of his congregation for acted like prostitutes and the nearby men for like rowdy stallions).

But if you really want to know, I’m told the “Traditional Latin Mass” mostly as seen in the 1962 Missale Romanum was promulgated by Pope Innocent III, while the Typikon and service books mostly like the current Greek editions for the “Byzantine Rite” were the approved standard in the mid-1300s. From what I’ve seen of the old Byzantine liturgy, a current Greek clergyman transported back in time and thrown into a Sunday liturgy at Hagia Sophia would be lost. (though he would understand what’s going on).
  • Why do i get a more sense of holyness in the divine orthodox liturgy?
Don’t pick where you stay by how “holy” you feel. I’ve been to the “holiest” places in Greece and Italy and even there I sometimes felt bored, unmoved or the like. At the same time, I’ve felt incredibly “holy” in an airport chapel. I’ve been told God sometimes grants us great feeling in prayer. It’s wonderful, but it’s something granted at limited times for your own good. Chasing after that feeling I’m told
  • Do i offend God, Lord Jesus Christ, Blessed Pope Benedict XVI, Blessed Virgin Mary and all the saints?
Neither I nor anyone else on this forum can answer that because none of us speaks for them. But if someone does, don’t believe anything they say. 😉
Do i commit a grave sin by doubting like i do now? This has been clouding my mind for the last two weeks. I need to talk to my priest for sure, but how bad is this?
According to book Latin Catholic theology, grave sin requires many conditions, to include full consent of the will without mitigating factors (e.g. bad information in cases like this), sufficient reflection, and many other things. A priest is really the only one who can answer this.
 
It is not a sin to question. Life is a journey and God doesn’t expect us to understand everything all at once, or accept everything without understanding. What good is it to accept a teaching you do not understand? If it doesn’t change your life, what good does it serve you? If you don’t understand it, how does it help your salvation? Questioning leads to answers. God would want every one of us to question and seek answers. The most important there is to seek the answer and not just ask questions.
 
Hi Padraig. No, I don’t think it’s a sin to question.

Personally, I’ve been a Catholic since before I could even say “question” or any other word) but consider those who convert to Catholicism: For them, questioning is pretty much indispensable to the process of becoming Catholic in the first place.
 
The proper behavior is communicated by the Church.
The Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches (Ammended by Ad Tuendam Fidem 1998):

Canon 598
§ 1. Those things are to be believed by divine and catholic faith which are contained in the word of God as it has been written or handed down by tradition, that is, in the single deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and which are at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn Magisterium of the Church, or by its ordinary and universal Magisterium, which in fact is manifested by the common adherence of Christ’s faithful under the guidance of the sacred Magisterium. All Christian faithful are therefore bound to avoid any contrary doctrines.
§ 2. Furthermore, each and everything set forth definitively by the Magisterium of the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals must be firmly accepted and held; namely, those things required for the holy keeping and faithful exposition of the deposit of faith; therefore, anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Canon 1436
§ 1. Whoever denies a truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or who calls into doubt, or who totally repudiates the Christian faith, and does not retract after having been legitimately warned, is to be punished as a heretic or an apostate with a major excommunication; a cleric moreover can be punished with other penalties, not excluding deposition.
§ 2. In addition to these cases, whoever obstinately rejects a teaching that the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising the authentic Magisterium, have set forth to be held definitively, or who affirms what they have condemned as erroneous, and does not retract after having been legitimately warned, is to be punished with an appropriate penalty.
 
The proper behavior is communicated by the Church.
The Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches (Ammended by Ad Tuendam Fidem 1998):

Canon 598
§ 1. Those things are to be believed by divine and catholic faith which are contained in the word of God as it has been written or handed down by tradition, that is, in the single deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and which are at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn Magisterium of the Church, or by its ordinary and universal Magisterium, which in fact is manifested by the common adherence of Christ’s faithful under the guidance of the sacred Magisterium. All Christian faithful are therefore bound to avoid any contrary doctrines.
§ 2. Furthermore, each and everything set forth definitively by the Magisterium of the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals must be firmly accepted and held; namely, those things required for the holy keeping and faithful exposition of the deposit of faith; therefore, anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Canon 1436
§ 1. Whoever denies a truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or who calls into doubt, or who totally repudiates the Christian faith, and does not retract after having been legitimately warned, is to be punished as a heretic or an apostate with a major excommunication; a cleric moreover can be punished with other penalties, not excluding deposition.
§ 2. In addition to these cases, whoever obstinately rejects a teaching that the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising the authentic Magisterium, have set forth to be held definitively, or who affirms what they have condemned as erroneous, and does not retract after having been legitimately warned, is to be punished with an appropriate penalty.
Note that there is a huge difference between questioning and outright rejecting.
 
Note that there is a huge difference between questioning and outright rejecting.
It is what is necessary to eliminate doubt (about proper behavior and attitude and belief) once the teaching of the Church occurs. For example, the answer to one question of Padraig1972 is that the Catholic Church is the original Church and has the fullness of faith which the other non-Catholic Churches and ecclesial communities do not have.
 
It is what is necessary to eliminate doubt (about proper behavior and attitude and belief) once the teaching of the Church occurs. For example, the answer to one question of Padraig1972 is that the Catholic Church is the original Church and has the fullness of faith which the other non-Catholic Churches and ecclesial communities do not have.
The answers aren’t as straight forward. I don’t see having doubt as something negative as long as we have the desire to seek the truth. And the truth will lead us to Christ.
 
The answers aren’t as straight forward. I don’t see having doubt as something negative as long as we have the desire to seek the truth. And the truth will lead us to Christ.
Yes, where the Church has not given a teaching. But where the Church has made a teaching to be held, then it is sinful to hold obstinately to a doubt about it.
 
Yes, where the Church has not given a teaching. But where the Church has made a teaching to be held, then it is sinful to hold obstinately to a doubt about it.
Are you saying that people should just follow because someone says “because the Church says so,”???
 
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