Is it acceptable to be a provider husband?

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I’ve heard that such children exist, but IME they’re like Bigfoot or Nessie.

Unless by “lay down for a nap” you mean “put them down and let them scream because they’re not tired,” but that’s not very relaxing for the child or parent.
My daughter sleeps from 11-1 every day; you can set your watch by her sleep schedule. When she isn’t sleeping watching her is as easy as taking her for a walk or bringing her to see the cats. There are difficult children or children with special needs but by far staying at home is much more rewarding and less stressful than any other job.
 
My daughter sleeps from 11-1 every day; you can set your watch by her sleep schedule. When she isn’t sleeping watching her is as easy as taking her for a walk or bringing her to see the cats. There are difficult children or children with special needs but by far staying at home is much more rewarding and less stressful than any other job.
I’m glad to stay at home and know it is the right choice for me and my family. But I will not say that it is easier than when I worked out of the home. In some ways, yes, it is easier, but in other ways it is harder. What keeps me going is knowing that I’m doing the right thing for me and my family.

Difficult children may be more common than you realize, or they might present certain difficulties at certain stages, or when there’s more than one of them. Coordinating naps for three children every afternoon is no picnic. They all have different sleep needs at this time. A couple days during the week I get some time when everybody is napping. But most of the time, no.
 
This is hilarious. Is this a serious post? “Lay down for a nap when you want?” “Staying at home can be as easy as you want to make it?” :eek:
The people that I know who are stressed about staying at home do it to themselves: baby gymnastics, swim lessons, piano lessons, on to soccer practice, and then a few hours of homework before bedtime. I’m not saying that staying at home will never be a grind - I’d take anything over staying home with a colicky baby - all I’m saying is that it’s not true there is never any respite. There are plenty of chances for naps, kids’ shows, play dates, or some other fourth thing. It isn’t all that bad if you don’t try to take on too much.
 
That’s not true. There isn’t any job that is 8 hours of pure bliss but staying at home can be as difficult or as easy as you want to make it. **I mean, you’re watching someone who you can lay down for a nap when you want. ** I think the stress of staying at home comes mostly from over scheduling.
Ha ha ha!

A couple of mine signaled their “doneness” with naps by starting to disrobe during naptime and smear poopy diapers on whatever they could reach. We had to give up at that point because it wasn’t worth it anymore.

We have managed to outwit our current 3-year-old with some extra velcro panels sewed onto her pjs, but the handwriting is on the wall.
 
This is hilarious. Is this a serious post? “Lay down for a nap when you want?” “Staying at home can be as easy as you want to make it?” :eek:
Let me adjust that–“Staying at home can be as easy as your toddler allows it to be.”
 
I’m glad to stay at home and know it is the right choice for me and my family. But I will not say that it is easier than when I worked out of the home. In some ways, yes, it is easier, but in other ways it is harder. What keeps me going is knowing that I’m doing the right thing for me and my family.

Difficult children may be more common than you realize, or they might present certain difficulties at certain stages, or when there’s more than one of them. Coordinating naps for three children every afternoon is no picnic. They all have different sleep needs at this time. A couple days during the week I get some time when everybody is napping. But most of the time, no.
Right.

Even with just two napping, I found that they rarely napped at the same time.
 
That’s not true. There isn’t any job that is 8 hours of pure bliss but staying at home can be as difficult or as easy as you want to make it. I mean, you’re watching someone who you can lay down for a nap when you want. I think the stress of staying at home comes mostly from over scheduling.
There is truth to this-aside from the nap part. None of my kids ever napped. Well, my youngest does but that’s 1 out of 8. The rest quit napping between 6 and 12 months. She’s almost 3 yrs now and still naps daily.

The over scheduling or expecting things to go at a set plan/pace without making adjustments for kids being kids does create much more stress than it’s worth. As parents we have the ability to set the time of the house. It’s a learned skill that takes practice. My main job is to provide a safe and comfortable home for my family. It’s something I take seriously, even more seriously when things are rough for my husband at work (or when out of a job–yes it’s happened to our family too), when my kids are going through rough spots developmentally, when my teens are hormonal, etc. it’s a very important job that requires creativity and resourcefulness, and it’s so very rewarding.

When my husband left the army the first time we had long periods of unemployment. For us there were no gov benefits because my husband was a resident alien not a citizen. Contrary to popular belief, immigrants don’t get food stamps, med cards, or anything like that. Part of being a permanent resident is signing an agreement to not receive services and having a sponsor (my aunt) that is held financially responsible if you attempt to get them. My aunt couldn’t support our family but we had to make it some how. We took what jobs we could. We scraped and saved and reused and made do. And we were happy. Our kids were happy. When our son was diagnosed with a heart problem and we needed insurance, my husband went back in the Army (reserves). He deployed immediately and we opted to stay active duty after that. We will stay until retirement.

If things aren’t working, find solutions. Stewing about it or venting/complaining may temporarily ease stress but in the long run it only causes more problems. Don’t focus in the problems, focus instead on finding solutions.

Someone mentioned not having resources available to the poor and therefore being unable to change a current unhappy situation. I think that’s ridiculous. Many working poor don’t get benefits (we didn’t). Any resources we received or used are available to anyone willing to put the time into looking for them or creating them. For millions of years women have found ways to survive and solve problems harder than any modern day American has regardless of financial status. As highly educated as many people say they are it shouldn’t be that hard to think of a better way to do things. People with no education have successfully managed homes and families and found joy in doing so. Use the education you have to find a way to a better life for yourself. The better you feel the smoother your home life will be. Like it or not, wife/mom sets the tone for the family. Our emotions carry much more weight than any other family member. Even if we try to hide it, our families pick up on it and things go down hill quickly.
 
**The people that I know who are stressed about staying at home do it to themselves: baby gymnastics, swim lessons, piano lessons, on to soccer practice, and then a few hours of homework before bedtime. ** I’m not saying that staying at home will never be a grind - I’d take anything over staying home with a colicky baby - all I’m saying is that it’s not true there is never any respite. There are plenty of chances for naps, kids’ shows, play dates, or some other fourth thing. It isn’t all that bad if you don’t try to take on too much.
Not to overpost, but you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Most of the stuff you are describing is big kid stuff, not little kid stuff. What we are talking about is 1-3 or 1-4-year-old stuff. It’s a different planet.

Also, we have a great household income, but I could only dream of putting our 3-year-old in baby gymnastics or swim lessons at this point, to say nothing of preschool soccer–the big kids’ stuff sucks up all the money available for activities.

What we’re talking about is the daily grind of 12-16 hours of sole responsibility for a little person who is uninhibited, not savvy about danger, not-potty trained, not into naps or bedtime, negative about strollers and high chairs and car seats, prone to piling pillows on or punching an infant sibling, and really, really fast. See the book “The Honest Toddler” or “The Girlfriend’s Guide to Toddlers” for insight into what that looks like. Add a baby to tote around and you’ve got problems. It’s the marathon of dealing with that–the non-stop motion and constant peril that makes people sign up for ridiculous toddler classes held in secured classrooms with squishy floors.

Our youngest is 3 now. We’ve been able to arrange life so that I rarely have to deal with her non-stop like that, but every so often, I do get one of those days, and WOW.
 
That’s not true. There isn’t any job that is 8 hours of pure bliss but staying at home can be as difficult or as easy as you want to make it. I mean, you’re watching someone who you can lay down for a nap when you want. I think the stress of staying at home comes mostly from over scheduling.
Um…no.

I have three kids under the age of 4. One of them goes to preschool but when I have all three of them…for nearly 14 hours…someone is ALWAYS up during the day and needs to be watched.

You cannot always time naps perfectly when you have multiple kids who are that young.

What usually happens is the 2 year old takes a regular, 2 hour nap. The baby’s naps bookend the 2 year old because I can’t keep her awake until the toddler goes down or put the toddler down too early.

The almost 4 year old doesn’t nap but is willing to compromise by reading books in bed for 45mins to an hour.

So, no…I don’t get naps. I can sit down for 10 to 15 mins at a time but that usually involves the oldest child noticing I’m doing something for me and starts bugging for attention.

Thank goodness for college, thank goodness for grants that pay for daycare and thank goodness for preschool.

Otherwise I’d be a total mess. An emotional, angry, confrontational mess.

Not everyone is blessed to have a husband who works 9-5 and can help with dinner and bedtime.
No, he leaves before the girls are up and comes home after the girls are in bed. So I get the girls up and ready to go every morning, pick them up, make dinner and do the bedtime routine…which includes a nursing 6 month old…BY MYSELF.

That means I do everything…all of it…with no help and no break.

Not everyone has just one child.

Not everyone has children who are old enough to actually help out.
 
The people that I know who are stressed about staying at home do it to themselves: baby gymnastics, swim lessons, piano lessons, on to soccer practice, and then a few hours of homework before bedtime. I’m not saying that staying at home will never be a grind - I’d take anything over staying home with a colicky baby - all I’m saying is that it’s not true there is never any respite. There are plenty of chances for naps, kids’ shows, play dates, or some other fourth thing. It isn’t all that bad if you don’t try to take on too much.
I don’t and can’t sign up either my 2 year old or 6 month old for activities.

We don’t have the money to do so…plus the kids are not old enough for it yet.

They go to an at home daycare…half days…so I can go to my classes. I might leave them there a little longer on Fridays so I can get house work done at home if I’m preparing for a long weekend when my husband is working.
 
Not to overpost, but you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Most of the stuff you are describing is big kid stuff, not little kid stuff. What we are talking about is 1-3 or 1-4-year-old stuff. It’s a different planet.

Also, we have a great household income, but I could only dream of putting our 3-year-old in baby gymnastics or swim lessons at this point, to say nothing of preschool soccer–the big kids’ stuff sucks up all the money available for activities.

What we’re talking about is the daily grind of 12-16 hours of sole responsibility for a little person who is uninhibited, not savvy about danger, not-potty trained, not into naps or bedtime, negative about strollers and high chairs and car seats, prone to piling pillows on or punching an infant sibling, and really, really fast. See the book “The Honest Toddler” or “The Girlfriend’s Guide to Toddlers” for insight into what that looks like. Add a baby to tote around and you’ve got problems. It’s the marathon of dealing with that–the non-stop motion and constant peril that makes people sign up for ridiculous toddler classes held in secured classrooms with squishy floors.

Our youngest is 3 now. We’ve been able to arrange life so that I rarely have to deal with her non-stop like that, but every so often, I do get one of those days, and WOW.
My hats off to all mothers here. My few episodes of babysitting toddlers opened my eyes to the challenges and the rewards. I remember toilet training a toddler and the satisfaction I felt when she was finally potty trained. I know I’m giving away my age but the toddler I babysat is now in grad school. She turned out fine.
 
My hats off to all mothers here. My few episodes of babysitting toddlers opened my eyes to the challenges and the rewards. I remember toilet training a toddler and the satisfaction I felt when she was finally potty trained. I know I’m giving away my age but the toddler I babysat is now in grad school. She turned out fine.
I nearly took my oldest out for a celebration when she finally became toilet trained.

That was a huge accomplishment for all of us because no one had experience with it. Not I, not my husband…and certainly not my oldest.

Talk about new territory. At least now I have an idea what to do and the stress level for it is gone.
 
I nearly took my oldest out for a celebration when she finally became toilet trained.

That was a huge accomplishment for all of us because no one had experience with it. Not I, not my husband…and certainly not my oldest.

Talk about new territory. At least now I have an idea what to do and the stress level for it is gone.
Yay!

My youngest has been potty-training for a year (!) now with no visible results yet. I’m planning on checking in with the pediatrician when we hit 3.5 if there isn’t any progress.

My oldest potty trained at nearly 4 and my middle child at nearly 4.5 and there are a lot of other late trainees in my extended family (autism spectrum thing, I think). 4-year-olds’ poopy diapers are TERRIBLE. I was really starting to wig out about it by the time my middle child finally got on board.
 
My daughter sleeps from 11-1 every day; you can set your watch by her sleep schedule. When she isn’t sleeping watching her is as easy as taking her for a walk or bringing her to see the cats. There are difficult children or children with special needs but by far staying at home is much more rewarding and less stressful than any other job.
Sounds like you have an easy kid- it’s probably not fair for you to make generalizations, then, considering that yours appears to be rather easygoing. As you can see, not all of us have children who take consistent naps or are easily entertained.

Staying home with a toddler is absolutely the most stressful thing I have ever done, and I have held several different full time professional jobs, in addition to working while in graduate school. I work part time on top of that now, which means naptime and evenings are spent working as well, but even when I didn’t it was still the most stressful thing I’ve ever done. (And we have no baby gymnastics or swim lessons or any other such scheduled activity either- he’s just a difficult kid.) I don’t know how the parents on here with more than one do it.
 
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A lot is going to depend on where you live too. A union carpenter in Indiana is going to be low end and one in Seattle is going to be higher. BUt cost of living matters a ton! 75 in new york and you might as well be a mcdonalds worker. Another problem is that it is is an hourly wage job which is harder to determine an annual salary. Not to get to off topic but unions rarely are associated with higher paying jobs, with the exception of say the baseball union… But they love to convince you that the opposite is true. Carpentry is a great profession. It was good enough for Jesus and Joseph! And it is potentially a fine way to earn a living. But I will tell you from experience that my wife earns 6 figures. We have five kids and the budget is tough. We will not be able to send all of our children to college and we have to pay attention to our financial situation regularly. Since your goal is husband provider and sole income earner you need to think about this. That is not to say that you have to earn even top end of what people earn but know that what you “provide” will be limited in any job you have unless you have a wicked curve. And
If union construction was rarely associated with higher pay, then there would not be so many non union workers hoping to get on prevailing wage union job sites where they will be required to be paid union rates. Union job sites require even non union workers to be paid union rates. That can be the difference between $10 a hour and $27 a hour or $18 a hour to $32 a hour. There would not be so many non union guys asking us “How do I go union” when we work with non union people on jobsites when they compare how much we get paid to how much they are getting paid.

The company I am currently with just went union last year. Though I am a construction laborer, most the people in this company are environmental laborers. When the company became union and all their employers instantly became union workers, their pay rate instantly jumped a little over $6 a hour. Would you like to tell them that construction unions are rarely associated with higher pay? They will either laugh or look at you puzzled and assume you know nothing about The Construction industry. I worked on construction sites for minimum wage in my past. No union construction worker works for minimum wage. The union tells the contractors “If you want one of our guys, even a level 1 apprentice, the rate is $17 a hour.” If someone has ever worked construction for minimum wage in the past, they know that most these contractors would have us all working for $2 a hour if they had their way.

Indeed, area counts a lot for how much you will get paid even as a union worker. My area requires pretty high pay but the cost of living is high. The average cost of a 1 bedroom apartment in my county is $1200. But I never have to worry about eating or paying my bills and I can still save for a rainy day and the future. Who knows how things will be if I am every married one day with Children. The smart construction old timers always seem to have a plan b and c. One old timer talked to me about investing in property. He owned 5 properties (He was a union carpenter who decided to go non union after many years) and he would often say that he did not care if he got fired. He would just spend more time working on his properties that he planned to sell. Lots of guys also do side jobs. There is a lot that can be done with the knowledge we obtain on construction sites over the years.

I have no clue about making time with kids. I do not have any. I know that is important. I would say do not let the fact that you have met some carpenters that were not “Good providers” influence your view on the trade as a whole. So many guys in the industry go out and break their backs everyday in jobs that are intensely physically demanding and would break the average man down precisely because they want to be good providers for their family.

Yes, the next time there is the Dave Ramsey class going on at my parish I would love to attend. I hear great things about it.

P.S. I cut your quote because this site said my post was over the character limit so I had to get rid of some of it.
 
Yes, the next time there is the Dave Ramsey class going on at my parish I would love to attend. I hear great things about it.
Very good!

DR will be particularly important if you ever go into business for yourself, as there’s such a big difference between doing the work and running a business with employees that does the work.
 
If union construction was rarely associated with higher pay, then there would not be so many non union workers hoping to get on prevailing wage union job sites where they will be required to be paid union rates. Union job sites require even non union workers to be paid union rates. That can be the difference between $10 a hour and $27 a hour or $18 a hour to $32 a hour. There would not be so many non union guys asking us “How do I go union” when we work with non union people on jobsites when they compare how much we get paid to how much they are getting paid.

The company I am currently with just went union last year. Though I am a construction laborer, most the people in this company are environmental laborers. When the company became union and all their employers instantly became union workers, their pay rate instantly jumped a little over $6 a hour. Would you like to tell them that construction unions are rarely associated with higher pay? They will either laugh or look at you puzzled and assume you know nothing about The Construction industry. I worked on construction sites for minimum wage in my past. No union construction worker works for minimum wage. The union tells the contractors “If you want one of our guys, even a level 1 apprentice, the rate is $17 a hour.” If someone has ever worked construction for minimum wage in the past, they know that most these contractors would have us all working for $2 a hour if they had their way.

Indeed, area counts a lot for how much you will get paid even as a union worker. My area requires pretty high pay but the cost of living is high. The average cost of a 1 bedroom apartment in my county is $1200. But I never have to worry about eating or paying my bills and I can still save for a rainy day and the future. Who knows how things will be if I am every married one day with Children. The smart construction old timers always seem to have a plan b and c. One old timer talked to me about investing in property. He owned 5 properties (He was a union carpenter who decided to go non union after many years) and he would often say that he did not care if he got fired. He would just spend more time working on his properties that he planned to sell. Lots of guys also do side jobs. There is a lot that can be done with the knowledge we obtain on construction sites over the years.

I have no clue about making time with kids. I do not have any. I know that is important. I would say do not let the fact that you have met some carpenters that were not “Good providers” influence your view on the trade as a whole. So many guys in the industry go out and break their backs everyday in jobs that are intensely physically demanding and would break the average man down precisely because they want to be good providers for their family.

Yes, the next time there is the Dave Ramsey class going on at my parish I would love to attend. I hear great things about it.

P.S. I cut your quote because this site said my post was over the character limit so I had to get rid of some of it.
I don’t want to get too far off the subject at hand but your political view in unions differs from my own. I loathe unions. It’s called “working poor”. I could tell you stories about unions that would make you see red. They have a vested interest in providing you just enough sustenance that you will always think you need them. They prey on the idea of class warfare. Unions started as needed entities and then transformed into the work “mafia”. I fought my Union and won on several key issues. 1 the literature they put in my mail was unwelcome politically charged and frankly incindiary. 2 I fought to have my dues be given to a catholic charity of my choice. So I could physically write the check and then provide the receipt to the union.
The unions talk of fair wage etc but the free market is the fairest if all. In my city, there are affluent neighborhoods and poor ones. Guess which ones are union workers?
Unions do an excellent job of pitting thier members against “management” and convincing them of the need for a union, that is why unions have an interest in keeping the worker just enough under the thumb that they feel they need to have a union.

All that being said there are times, situations, and unions that are all about protecting and helping people. They were started at a time when they were needed. And they sometimes still are. But like I said unless you are s baseball player a union will most certainly not get you that “American Dream”. Notice how your example included property and side jobs…
We have 5 kids so far. I shudder to think the level of providing they would have if my wife earned much less.
It is a ballance for sure. Can a person provide for a family of 7 on 40 or 50 a year? Sure. It’s hard, it probably involves living in a rural area and going without on many things, but someone can indeed do that and do it well.
Like I said before your advantage will be no debt, and starting early. Saving in your twenties with an eye on the future is something many people don’t have. We didn’t. Perhaps if we did we could BOTH stay home now…
 
I don’t want to get too far off the subject at hand but your political view in unions differs from my own. I loathe unions. It’s called “working poor”. I could tell you stories about unions that would make you see red. They have a vested interest in providing you just enough sustenance that you will always think you need them. They prey on the idea of class warfare. Unions started as needed entities and then transformed into the work “mafia”. I fought my Union and won on several key issues. 1 the literature they put in my mail was unwelcome politically charged and frankly incindiary. 2 I fought to have my dues be given to a catholic charity of my choice. So I could physically write the check and then provide the receipt to the union.
The unions talk of fair wage etc but the free market is the fairest if all. In my city, there are affluent neighborhoods and poor ones. Guess which ones are union workers?
Unions do an excellent job of pitting thier members against “management” and convincing them of the need for a union, that is why unions have an interest in keeping the worker just enough under the thumb that they feel they need to have a union.

All that being said there are times, situations, and unions that are all about protecting and helping people. They were started at a time when they were needed. And they sometimes still are. But like I said unless you are s baseball player a union will most certainly not get you that “American Dream”. Notice how your example included property and side jobs…
We have 5 kids so far. I shudder to think the level of providing they would have if my wife earned much less.
It is a ballance for sure. Can a person provide for a family of 7 on 40 or 50 a year? Sure. It’s hard, it probably involves living in a rural area and going without on many things, but someone can indeed do that and do it well.
Like I said before your advantage will be no debt, and starting early. Saving in your twenties with an eye on the future is something many people don’t have. We didn’t. Perhaps if we did we could BOTH stay home now…
I could care less about the political aspect of my union and I can tell you horror stories about working for non union contractors too. Bottom line for me… I get paid a lot more as a union worker, they put my through trade school which helped me and I do not pay a penny for my health insurance. Imagine how valuable free health insurance would be as a parent of multiple children. Or if it does not remain free, at least good insurance that does not suck up most my pay check. As far as pitting workers against management, my union reps have stated to us a long time ago the the days of construction union vs contractors is long gone in our area. We work WITH each other for mutual benefit instead of always trying to one up each other.

Perhaps your view on what the “American dream” differs than a lot of others. Lots of our union brothers are immigrants from Mexico. The fact they are not working for $1 a hour and live comfortable IS the american dream to them. They do not need all the luxuries that a lot of us spoiled american’s think we need. They are happy to break their backs as I am happy to go out and do a job I love everyday and break my back at it. I am living the american dream with what I have as far as I am concerned.

I will admit though, what does suck about my company is being in between jobs like I am right now. The last job ended and I am waiting to be sent to a new site. But it should not take that long. The last time only took 4 days and this is day 2 for me.
 
I could care less about the political aspect of my union and I can tell you horror stories about working for non union contractors too. Bottom line for me… I get paid a lot more as a union worker, they put my through trade school which helped me and I do not pay a penny for my health insurance. Imagine how valuable free health insurance would be as a parent of multiple children. Or if it does not remain free, at least good insurance that does not suck up most my pay check. As far as pitting workers against management, my union reps have stated to us a long time ago the the days of construction union vs contractors is long gone in our area. We work WITH each other for mutual benefit instead of always trying to one up each other.

Perhaps your view on what the “American dream” differs than a lot of others. Lots of our union brothers are immigrants from Mexico. The fact they are not working for $1 a hour and live comfortable IS the american dream to them. They do not need all the luxuries that a lot of us spoiled american’s think we need. They are happy to break their backs as I am happy to go out and do a job I love everyday and break my back at it. I am living the american dream with what I have as far as I am concerned.

I will admit though, what does suck about my company is being in between jobs like I am right now. The last job ended and I am waiting to be sent to a new site. But it should not take that long. The last time only took 4 days and this is day 2 for me.
Yep. Unions have their advantages. Major advantages. But not all unions are the same. Often they all get lumped together in people’s minds.
 
Yep. Unions have their advantages. Major advantages. But not all unions are the same. Often they all get lumped together in people’s minds.
Oh absolutely yes. I use to be a part of a non construction union in my past before I got into construction and I often said that the only thing that particular union was good for was preventing people who want to miss work every other day for no good reason from getting fired. 😛 That wont fly in construction no matter what union you are part of. You will get a reputation as unreliable even at our union hall. Dispatch knows who is good and who is no good. Funny thing… the managements obviously were not union in that company I use to work for before I got in construction but my supervisors’ wife was a regular employee with the union while he was not. He sure did like the fact that he got to enjoy being covered by his wife’s health insurance that she got at a cheaper rate than he would have to pay 😛 I did not care about health insurance at that point in my life because it was not a law that we had to have it and I am one of those people that never gets sick and I would just try my hardest not to get hurt on the job. But now I do have health insurance because it is free through my union for me.
 
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