Is it alright for a Catholic (or any Christian really) to read the Koran?

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I have made a pretty extensive study of Islam, both history and theology, and have interacted with Muslims regarding religious beliefs in Turkey, Jordan, and Tunisia. I find the above statement to be way off base, both historically and in contemporary belief of most Muslims I have met. It is hard to refute that during the first centuries of the Islamic empire, Islam tolerated Christians pretty well. Sure, they were restricted on building new churches and from public liturgies/parades on the streets. Yes, they imposed a tax on Christians and Jews, but the tax was roughly equivalent to the tithing expected of Muslims. On balance, Muslims were more tolerant of Christians than vice versa. The behavior of the Crusaders was pretty reprehensible, especially the slaughter after the sack of Jerusalem by Crusaders in 1099.
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I am not an apologist for Islam. My study indicates massive problems with the entrenched beliefs of Muslims regarding the life and inspiration of Muhammad and the nature of the Qu’ran as a historical document. Yet, there is beauty in the way Muslims glorify God. I believe it is the same God we Catholics worship, though with a much different understanding of the complex and mysterious nature of God.
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I have made a pretty extensive study of Islam, both history and theology, and have interacted with Muslims regarding religious beliefs in Turkey, Jordan, and Tunisia. I find the above statement to be way off base, both historically and in contemporary belief of most Muslims I have met. It is hard to refute that during the first centuries of the Islamic empire, Islam tolerated Christians pretty well. Sure, they were restricted on building new churches and from public liturgies/parades on the streets. Yes, they imposed a tax on Christians and Jews, but the tax was roughly equivalent to the tithing expected of Muslims. On balance, Muslims were more tolerant of Christians than vice versa. The behavior of the Crusaders was pretty reprehensible, especially the slaughter after the sack of Jerusalem by Crusaders in 1099.

I am not an apologist for Islam. My study indicates massive problems with the entrenched beliefs of Muslims regarding the life and inspiration of Muhammad and the nature of the Qu’ran as a historical document. Yet, there is beauty in the way Muslims glorify God. I believe it is the same God we Catholics worship, though with a much different understanding of the complex and mysterious nature of God.
Turkey, Jordan and Tunisia? That’s pretty impressive travels to back up your statements with! Just curious, did you enjoy attending catholic church in those nations? I mean with nations with such rich history in christianity, it must have been beautiful to see Easter or Christmas in those places.
 
In my travels to Islamic countries I found the Catholic Church (I made no observation of other Christian churches) to be “tolerated.” At the time I worked in Tunisia it had a liberal form of Islam; the dictator in charge allowed fairly liberal practice of human rights, e.g. for women and non believers. There were two Catholic churches in the capitol (Tunis). I attended mass at St. Francis Cathedral, which is a magnificent gothic church build by the French when they governed Tunisia. There were about 150-200 people in this massive church for Sunday mass.

In the capitol of Jordan, there was one Catholic church, which was quite far from my hotel. So I attended mass at Greek orthodox churches. There were at leas 4 different eastern orthodox churches in my part of town. They mass was quite different than in a Latin church (eg. much longer and much more chanting, incense, and singing). Jordan has a very liberal view on religious practice.

Turkey is officially a secular state. The government outlawed (in the late 1920s) many extreme form of Islamic law and practice enforced in other Islamic countries, e.g., woman could not cover there hair, men could not wear the fez, Friday was a civil work day and the civil day off was moved to Sunday, women were given equal rights before the law, etc.
Muslims are pretty laid back on many Islamic practices, e.g., considerably free consumption of alcohol and modern dress for women. I went to mass in an old church in Istanbul. I could not find a catholic church in the capitol. I did, however, join some Muslim friends for evening prayer in the grand mosque of the capitol. We spend some time talking of God and our faith traditions in a huge, beautiful mosque. One of the young men paid me a treasured compliment, saying: “you should have been an Iman (religious preacher/teacher).”
 
I am not sure why you really want to. If one wants to study truth, then you go study complete truth. Its not about understanding and living peaceable with others people of other faiths. The more I learn about the Catholic faith the more I want of it. Why read a book with many conflicts and errors. If I want to learn more about devotion to Mary, I wouldn’t bother with the Koran, study “True Devotion to Mary”
 
I agree but you do not need to read the Koran to do this. Unless you plan on writing a book about the differences between our faith and theirs, there is no need for a Christian to read or study the Koran. There is enough in our own faith to do! I do not need to take drugs in order to know that they are bad. I do not need to commit a crime in order to know that is bad or to understand and have empathy for criminals. Just looking at the way many Muslim countries treat Christians and Jews and even women should be enough for any Christian to be worried and concerned about that faith. They are not trying to “understand” us and it is lunacy to think and if we just read the Koran that we will now all get along. The Muslim faith from the get go has spread by the edge of the sword through out the middle east. Ask the Coptic Christians in Egypt how you think they feel treated. It is one thing to have friendship with Muslims but to study their holy book that has a false view of God, Is written by a man that marries a 9 year girl to have sex with her is a bit much. Sharia law is scary enough. There is a saying out there that you can be so open minding that your brains fall out. If I want to understand Mary more and learn about devotion to her, I don’t need to study the Koran that may agree with us in the Virgin birth but denies the reality that he is the Son of God. Why would any serious Christian want to study a book that denies Christ. Why do well meaning Christians feel that they need to read the Koran so we “understand” and live in peace with Muslims. In the religiously predominate Muslim Countries, they are killing and persecuting Christians. Christians are isolated and harassed. That does not sound like they are trying to understand us and our beliefs and devotions to Mary and Christ. I watched the Bin Ladin tape right after 911 and he stated that one of his goals in the attack was to spread Islam. Think about it.
 
You cannot reject what you do not understand!
Islam, Bhuddhism, Mormonism, Hinduism et al.

The same with Catholicism!

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that sounds very nice but once “you know the truth, the truth will set you free” and the truth is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Anything that denies this and Islam just considers Jesus a prophet like Mohammed and actually Mohammed is the final prophet to speak is not truth. Why would any serious Christian want to read the Koran which denies Christ as the Son of God? A few years ago, our troops did arrest that so called “American Taliban”, fighting our own troops. It’s a sad story but what is worse is that he father is “Catholic” and his mother is a Bhuddist. The father was quoted in the paper that he didn’t see any conflict between Catholicism and Islam and didn’t know what the problem was and encouraged his son to study Islam. One does not have to read or delve into other faiths to “learn” about them. There are many many good books out there which summarize and compare. Fr. Mitch Pacwa has a very good book “inside Islam” which is highly recommended and very fairly explain the differences and problems of Islam as compared to the Christian faith.
 
I decided I wanted to read the Holy Qur’an after attending a weekly study of “Abraham Journey of the Heart” by Bruce Feiler. It was a wonderful study of the role of Abraham plays in all three faiths that claim him as their “spiritual father”.

We had a woman and her husband give a presentation on the Qur’an for our last session…they had become friends with a couple Muslim families in their neighborhood…the woman had become close friends with some Muslim women who were fearful and reluctant to discuss matters of faith to a “blonde Christian woman”.

I decided I needed to approach the Qur’an with openess and respect. I found a nice “leatherette” bound version…one side Arabic…the other side English…each morning I would read a Surah or a portion of one…in the presentation presented, I decided to treat the Qur’an with the respect it was due as a holy book of devout believers in the Almighty…different than I…but devout just the same.

In the presentation she stated the Qur’an should not be place upon the floor among other books…it should be held with clean hands and a prayerful attitude…I meditated upon the passages…which many were difficult to understand and the cadence of the English was difficult at times.

I had purchased “Heart of the Koran” by Lex Hixon years ago…and pulled it off the shelf as an “aide” and “guide” to better understand what I was reading…

I enjoyed the time spent reading the Qur’an.
Well it is your choice, My Mom converted to Islam when she remarried an it has caused nothing but trouble. My belief is that If an angel revealed it to Muhammad it was not Gabriel, the whole thing from start to finish is a complete corruption of Judaism and Christianity. Muhammad Claims to come through Ishmael Gods covenant was with Isaac. That is the open and closed case for me, aswell as wars, mandatory hatred of the jews, slavery, oppression of women, executions oh and Muhammads child bride who he married when she was 6 and “consummated” with her when she was 9. And the tagline is its a religion of peace, yeah when there is no one left to fight.

The Lord of the Rings is much better!
 
oh and Muhammads child bride who he married when she was 6 and “consummated” with her when she was 9. And the tagline is its a religion of peace, yeah when there is no one left to fight.
This is actually a fallacy to some extent. There are a number of differing Islamic sources which disagree with the popular belief that Aisha was 6 when she was married.

The major problem comes because in the hadith, reports of historical matters were often NOT given the stringent testing that the matters of Islamic law were given. There are other differing hadith which state that Aisha was anything from 10 to 14 when she was married and 15-19 at the age of consummation.

From this source: muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
It appears that Maulana Muhammad Ali was the first Islamic scholar directly to challenge the notion that Aisha was aged six and nine, respectively, at the time of her nikah and consummation of marriage. This he did in, at least, the following writings: his English booklet Prophet of Islam, his larger English book Muhammad, the Prophet, and in the footnotes in his voluminous Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, these three writings being published in the 1920s and 1930s. In the booklet Prophet of Islam, which was later incorporated in 1948 as the first chapter of his book Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, he writes in a lengthy footnote as follows:
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“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” [4] (Bolding is mine.)
To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage.
 
This is actually a fallacy to some extent. There are a number of differing Islamic sources which disagree with the popular belief that Aisha was 6 when she was married.

The major problem comes because in the hadith, reports of historical matters were often NOT given the stringent testing that the matters of Islamic law were given. There are other differing hadith which state that Aisha was anything from 10 to 14 when she was married and 15-19 at the age of consummation.

From this source: muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
Using & quoting the Ahmadi muslims is pointless here. They do not represent Islam.
 
Whether she was really 6 or 10 is a mute point. Many have pointed out in some of the countries such as Pakistan, that they marry off 9 year old girls using Mohammed as an example and it is a big cultural problem and results in abuse of girls in the families that they marry into. The original question is whether a Christian should read to Koran with the point of it being doing so will help us Christians understand Islam and their spirituality with the thought that if we Christians just would understand Islam better, we will all just get along.
think of it this way, I am married so in order to better appreciate my spouse, I go out and date and be with others in order to improve my relationship with my spouse. I don’t think so!!!
That doesn’t happen. If as Christians we are serious about following Christ, why would I even want to read a book in another faith that denies he is the Son of God? How does that “improve” my love of Christ? Does is make sense to read a book that does support the virgin birth yet denies the reality that Jesus is the Son of God. The virgin birth does mean that he is the Son of God. Muslems themselves in reading the Koran don’t agree on it. There are 3 main branches and even they don’t get along and sometimes very violently, just look in Iraq and its aftermath between the different fractions of that faith. Some say Islam is a religious of peace and point to the Koran yet too many others are very violent and still point to the Koran. Who is right? Read the Bible, why fool around with the Koran?
 
Whether she was really 6 or 10 is a mute point. Many have pointed out in some of the countries such as Pakistan, that they marry off 9 year old girls using Mohammed as an example and it is a big cultural problem and results in abuse of girls in the families that they marry into.
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Problem with this whole issue is that there are deep cultural (and not Islamic) issues which need to be dealt with. Certainly from what I can understand of many of the more tribal/caste based Islamic cultures, the particular practice of arranged marriage is in fact pre-Islamic.
That doesn’t happen. If as Christians we are serious about following Christ, why would I even want to read a book in another faith that denies he is the Son of God? How does that “improve” my love of Christ? Does is make sense to read a book that does support the virgin birth yet denies the reality that Jesus is the Son of God. The virgin birth does mean that he is the Son of God. Muslems themselves in reading the Koran don’t agree on it. There are 3 main branches and even they don’t get along and sometimes very violently, just look in Iraq and its aftermath between the different fractions of that faith. Some say Islam is a religious of peace and point to the Koran yet too many others are very violent and still point to the Koran. Who is right? Read the Bible, why fool around with the Koran?
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Fact is that a billion people (and counting) believe that book. Doesn't matter what interpretation (Sunni, Shia, Ahmadiyya, Sufi, whatever) you take, the source is still the same (the Qur'an). The general beliefs of all Muslims are the same.
Christians are inevitably going to meet Muslims, to live alongside them, to talk with them. There is close to little point in trying to talk to a Muslim if you don’t know what they believe and why (and no, it doesn’t suffice to simply learn ‘factlets’). Reading the Qur’an can also be a good way to understand why YOU believe what you do, by understanding the opposite arguments.

Your bubble-minded view is sad. I want to be Catholic, and I can honestly say that part of what brought me here was comparative religious study, of all the holy books and then deciding what I thought to be true.
 
Problem with this whole issue is that there are deep cultural (and not Islamic) issues which need to be dealt with. Certainly from what I can understand of many of the more tribal/caste based Islamic cultures, the particular practice of arranged marriage is in fact pre-Islamic.
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Fact is that a billion people (and counting) believe that book. Doesn't matter what interpretation (Sunni, Shia, Ahmadiyya, Sufi, whatever) you take, the source is still the same (the Qur'an). The general beliefs of all Muslims are the same.
Christians are inevitably going to meet Muslims, to live alongside them, to talk with them. There is close to little point in trying to talk to a Muslim if you don’t know what they believe and why (and no, it doesn’t suffice to simply learn ‘factlets’). Reading the Qur’an can also be a good way to understand why YOU believe what you do, by understanding the opposite arguments.

Your bubble-minded view is sad. I want to be Catholic, and I can honestly say that part of what brought me here was comparative religious study, of all the holy books and then deciding what I thought to be true.
I live in an area with the largest concentration of Muslims outside the middle east. I don’t believe that I need to read to Koran in order to have friendly positive interactions with them. You have been on a journey of study for truth and i respect that. If Sunni and Shia believe the same things why are there so many fights between them in places such as Iraq? Yes, child brides is an engrained cultural issue but those who have tried to combat this have themselves pointed out that Mohammed’s example of a young bride does not help. Faith is a journey and a life long commitment. There is so much to read, learn and study in the Catholic Church, why look back at something else? I have not called you or anyone names here, I would appreciate the same.
 
I live in an area with the largest concentration of Muslims outside the middle east. I don’t believe that I need to read to Koran in order to have friendly positive interactions with them. You have been on a journey of study for truth and i respect that.
I am an ex-Islamic student and a former lukewarm Muslim myself.
If Sunni and Shia believe the same things why are there so many fights between them in places such as Iraq? Yes, child brides is an engrained cultural issue but those who have tried to combat this have themselves pointed out that Mohammed’s example of a young bride does not help.
Again, there is much debate in the Islamic scholarly world over this matter of Aisha’s age at marriage. It’s not as black and white as people, especially Westerners, would like to believe. The general consensus though is that she was NOT any younger than 12, at least according to the sources I’ve seen, read and also many learned 'aalim.

Also, with regard to Sunni/Shia, I could easily turn around this to ask why there’s so many divisions in Christianity, and especially the Orthodox/Catholic Churches. The general beliefs of the different Islamic sects is the same, such as belief in the Holy Prophet, Qu’ran, the Day of Judgement and in Allah.
Faith is a journey and a life long commitment. There is so much to read, learn and study in the Catholic Church, why look back at something else? I have not called you or anyone names here, I would appreciate the same.
I am a public speaker and part of my role in this often involves debates as to why I believe a position to be true or false, or why I hold a particular position when it comes to certain issues. Now most of the strength of my argument comes not from my own position itself, but the positing and understanding of the OPPOSITE viewpoints and then explaining why I believe them to be wrong. So it is more than possible for a Catholic to read the Qur’an and come away with their faith strengthened as they understand the viewpoints of Muslims, and then use Catholic doctrine, thinking, catechism and logic to ascertain that the Islamic viewpoint is not the correct one.

Getting back to the OP, to a non-Muslim, the Qur’an is simply another book, so why would reading it be such an issue? I didn’t believe in God at one point in time, yet I still read Bible stories and passages because to me, it was words on a page and nothing else.
 
I am an ex-Islamic student and a former lukewarm Muslim myself.

Again, there is much debate in the Islamic scholarly world over this matter of Aisha’s age at marriage. It’s not as black and white as people, especially Westerners, would like to believe. The general consensus though is that she was NOT any younger than 12, at least according to the sources I’ve seen, read and also many learned 'aalim.

Also, with regard to Sunni/Shia, I could easily turn around this to ask why there’s so many divisions in Christianity, and especially the Orthodox/Catholic Churches. The general beliefs of the different Islamic sects is the same, such as belief in the Holy Prophet, Qu’ran, the Day of Judgement and in Allah.

I am a public speaker and part of my role in this often involves debates as to why I believe a position to be true or false, or why I hold a particular position when it comes to certain issues. Now most of the strength of my argument comes not from my own position itself, but the positing and understanding of the OPPOSITE viewpoints and then explaining why I believe them to be wrong. So it is more than possible for a Catholic to read the Qur’an and come away with their faith strengthened as they understand the viewpoints of Muslims, and then use Catholic doctrine, thinking, catechism and logic to ascertain that the Islamic viewpoint is not the correct one.

Getting back to the OP, to a non-Muslim, the Qur’an is simply another book, so why would reading it be such an issue? I didn’t believe in God at one point in time, yet I still read Bible stories and passages because to me, it was words on a page and nothing else.
Hi back, I might disagree with some of your points but I can respect where you are coming from. From the position I am coming from is devotional than looking at it as you stated as a public speaker and debater. I believe that as you “know truth” that is what you would want to study and learn in order to grow in faith, the more I learn the more I realize I don’t know and need to grow in my Catholic Christian faith. It is more of a principal than looking at it as relearning at another faith in order to understand my own. Looking at reading the Bible or Koran as devotional why would I want to read another religion’s devotional material. Eventually one needs to decide what religion is true and when you decide and make that commitment and you move forward in that faith. Its a journey and in that journey of faith you eventually come to a point that you are exclusive in order to continue in that faith. Some of the posts that discuss this principal about going to Protestant churches after becoming CAtholic. Having been on that journey myself, you leave behind and move forward. In relation to the OP, why would a Christian want to read the Koran which would deny the deity of Christ? The best way I know in how to understand Muslims is to treat them with kindness, compassion and care that they would deserve as human beings no matter what they believe.
 
I am an ex-Islamic student and a former lukewarm Muslim myself.

You sound like you have been on quite an interesting journey of faith and belief. Considering your background, I wondered if I could ask a question. I have read that to read and understand the Koran, it needs to been done in it’s original language Arabic. While there are English translations, it should be read in Arabic. Is that true or partially true?

In your comment about Christian devisions, Yes it is very sad. Both Catholic and Orthodox see themselves as the original Church, splitting for the Coptics in the 400s and then the main group of Orthodox in 1054. Probably something you already know in your studies. But both have similar views and beliefs and even rites when compared to Protestantism which really has spread out all over the place. This shows you the fallacy of Sola Scriptura since each Protestant splinter thinks they interpret the Bible correctly
Without an authority of correct teaching and interpretation that the Catholic church offers you end up with the lunacy in Protestant churches.
 
I am a Muslim " Inquiring " about Catholicism. I will say that it is NOT the followers of Christ that would have ever led me to inquire about Catholicism and it’s teachings. I’ve encountered indifference, hatred and ignorance from many Christians. I find that so many Christians that take the soap box route on Islam, cherry pick their own scripture and do verse searches on the Quran so they can condem quickly by comparing texts. Muslims are guilty of cherry picking as well. Many learn to recite Quran in Arabic but also have not read it in their language.
There is no valid reason to begin to " compare " texts, practices or religious culture. Why? Because there is no comparison. Each religious tome has its own merits, problems, points of contention and prescribed ways to practice said faiths. It should be obvious that Muslims and Christians differ. Islam has many different sects and branches the same as Christianity. In each of these faiths many do not even agree on their own doctrine or how to practice. Let alone even begin to practice the spirit of ones chosen faith is difficult at best since we are so busy judging each other and pointing out what is wrong with each others scripture.
READ and understand your own faith first. Understand why you practice what you do and that you CAN practice and apply those teachings to your walk in this life. Because if we never learn to do and understand the mercy of Jesus for ourselves how will we ever be able to shine a light for others when we keep jumping in front of it to tell the other how wrong they are?
If you want to read Quran then read it and experience it for its own merits. Understand HOW the Quran is written, why it is written that way and how Arabic translates and the culture behind it. If I judged the Bible by its followers I never would have made it this far. By Gods grace alone will He see me into the Catholic church where I may worship and adore Him and keep growing my life and relationship centered around Him in whatever way God chooses to reveal Himself to me.
 
I am a Muslim " Inquiring " about Catholicism. I will say that it is NOT the followers of Christ that would have ever led me to inquire about Catholicism and it’s teachings. I’ve encountered indifference, hatred and ignorance from many Christians. I find that so many Christians that take the soap box route on Islam, cherry pick their own scripture and do verse searches on the Quran so they can condem quickly by comparing texts. Muslims are guilty of cherry picking as well. Many learn to recite Quran in Arabic but also have not read it in their language.
There is no valid reason to begin to " compare " texts, practices or religious culture. Why? Because there is no comparison. Each religious tome has its own merits, problems, points of contention and prescribed ways to practice said faiths. It should be obvious that Muslims and Christians differ. Islam has many different sects and branches the same as Christianity. In each of these faiths many do not even agree on their own doctrine or how to practice. Let alone even begin to practice the spirit of ones chosen faith is difficult at best since we are so busy judging each other and pointing out what is wrong with each others scripture.
READ and understand your own faith first. Understand why you practice what you do and that you CAN practice and apply those teachings to your walk in this life. Because if we never learn to do and understand the mercy of Jesus for ourselves how will we ever be able to shine a light for others when we keep jumping in front of it to tell the other how wrong they are?
If you want to read Quran then read it and experience it for its own merits. Understand HOW the Quran is written, why it is written that way and how Arabic translates and the culture behind it. If I judged the Bible by its followers I never would have made it this far. By Gods grace alone will He see me into the Catholic church where I may worship and adore Him and keep growing my life and relationship centered around Him in whatever way God chooses to reveal Himself to me.
I see very good points here. Welcome to CAF:thumbsup:

MJ
 
Nothing wrong for a Christian to read the Koran. Continue reading it to know how muslems think & to thank GOD that you are Christian.👍
 
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