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JoshTanney
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Beucase of there laws? im not sure i got alot of things from china hate to have to put it in the trash
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JoshTanney
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cheeto1
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I decided it was, because of their laws on Christian persecution,
namely, the slave labor/concentration camps. I could buy anything from China regardless of their laws, and separating
their laws from the people making the items in my mind. When
I found out about the treatment of Christians in the Laogi, and
that they make items there and we buy them here, I didn’t want
to take any more chances. We have 8 congressmen here that
are working on laws to force China to inform us when items sent
here are from the christian persecution camps. It was on the
news a few years back when a ship from China was rejected here
because they found out it was from the camps.
It is extremely difficult to obtain proper and accurate information about this situation aside from personal stories. When a man
from China came on the radio to tell his story, all of his fingers
had been broken with a wrench. His said he understood if
Christians found it too difficult to stop buying things made in
China. He asked if people could refrain from buying wrenches,
artificial flowers, and green tea, as these were the top 3 items
being produced in the camps.
When we decided to stop buying things made in China, we
kept everything we had, and just didn’t buy anything new.
namely, the slave labor/concentration camps. I could buy anything from China regardless of their laws, and separating
their laws from the people making the items in my mind. When
I found out about the treatment of Christians in the Laogi, and
that they make items there and we buy them here, I didn’t want
to take any more chances. We have 8 congressmen here that
are working on laws to force China to inform us when items sent
here are from the christian persecution camps. It was on the
news a few years back when a ship from China was rejected here
because they found out it was from the camps.
It is extremely difficult to obtain proper and accurate information about this situation aside from personal stories. When a man
from China came on the radio to tell his story, all of his fingers
had been broken with a wrench. His said he understood if
Christians found it too difficult to stop buying things made in
China. He asked if people could refrain from buying wrenches,
artificial flowers, and green tea, as these were the top 3 items
being produced in the camps.
When we decided to stop buying things made in China, we
kept everything we had, and just didn’t buy anything new.
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Dan_Grelinger
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We can buy, or not buy, things for just about any reason we have, as long as our intent is not immoral. If we don’t like the color, think its too expensive, or only if we are not sure what we might be supporting by purchasing an item.
Is it wrong to buy goods made in a country with unjust laws? No. What country has 100% just laws? I know the U.S. does not, abortion was legalized by the Supreme Court. Even our tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood. If it is wrong to buy products from countries that had unjust laws, I am not sure how I would eat.
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1ke
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Some things are black and white, while others are gray.
This is gray. There is no universal, blanket answer because there are **many **factors to consider.
I typically boycott specific companies that produce offensive products or contribute to offensive causes. I always write to them and tell them I am boycotting their products and why.
In the case of governments, when I can I buy from countries that have laws against child labor, slave labor, sweatshops, etc. That’s not always easy-- something can be “made in the USA” if it is assembled hereeven thoughcomponent parts might be made elsewhere. So, it’s not really made in the USA! Tough to figure out sometimes!
In some cases there are no substitutes. For example, one may need a medicine made by a pharmaceutical company that also makes birth control pills. If the medicine isn’t available from anyone else it is not wrong to use this medicine or buy it from the manufacturer even though other products of theirs are immoral. If it is available from another manufacturer who doesn’t also manufacture offensive items then I would try to give my business to the good manufacturer (almost impossible these days).
These days national economies are very intertwined. Multinational companies make it hard to know who you are buying from and where it was made.
You do the best you can to avoid the most obvious and you advocate for justice as best you can.
You are not committing a personal sin by buying things, in general, from any particular company unless you know that their product is morally offensive or that they are directly involved in immoral activities-- for example, Planned Parenthood, Playboy, etc.-- and you have an alternative.
This is gray. There is no universal, blanket answer because there are **many **factors to consider.
I typically boycott specific companies that produce offensive products or contribute to offensive causes. I always write to them and tell them I am boycotting their products and why.
In the case of governments, when I can I buy from countries that have laws against child labor, slave labor, sweatshops, etc. That’s not always easy-- something can be “made in the USA” if it is assembled hereeven thoughcomponent parts might be made elsewhere. So, it’s not really made in the USA! Tough to figure out sometimes!
In some cases there are no substitutes. For example, one may need a medicine made by a pharmaceutical company that also makes birth control pills. If the medicine isn’t available from anyone else it is not wrong to use this medicine or buy it from the manufacturer even though other products of theirs are immoral. If it is available from another manufacturer who doesn’t also manufacture offensive items then I would try to give my business to the good manufacturer (almost impossible these days).
These days national economies are very intertwined. Multinational companies make it hard to know who you are buying from and where it was made.
You do the best you can to avoid the most obvious and you advocate for justice as best you can.
You are not committing a personal sin by buying things, in general, from any particular company unless you know that their product is morally offensive or that they are directly involved in immoral activities-- for example, Planned Parenthood, Playboy, etc.-- and you have an alternative.
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cheeto1
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But it’s not hard to figure out when it says “made in China”
right on it. Something was indeed done in China.
I do want to clarify that I don’t believe it’s a sin to buy items
made in China. After all, there are only 9 million Christians
in the Laogi compared with the population of China at about
300 million. The odds are actually pretty good that you won’t
actually buy things made by your persecuted brothers and
sisters.
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SeekerJen
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Your odds are better than you think. China’s population is over 1 billion.
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Zooey
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I don’t know how you can avoid it, at least once in a while…While some things are plainly marked, other stuff has a tiny little label in an out of the way place, in addition to a regular one…And don’t get me started on buying by mail…(I have bought 2 different colors of the same item,
one was made in China, the other somewhere in Latin America!! )
I certainly don’t think that you need to throw away anything you have all ready! After all, it is paid for & as someone said, no country is blameless…
I have a couple of large pharmaceutical companies that I try to avoid buying their products for ethical reasons, but again, as had been said,what can I do if a necessary prescription is only available through them???
I think we all have to do the best that we can, & not make ourselves too upset over what we cannot help…I speak as one who is no stranger to product boycotts: In the end, all we can do is our very best.:twocents:
one was made in China, the other somewhere in Latin America!! )I certainly don’t think that you need to throw away anything you have all ready! After all, it is paid for & as someone said, no country is blameless…
I have a couple of large pharmaceutical companies that I try to avoid buying their products for ethical reasons, but again, as had been said,what can I do if a necessary prescription is only available through them???
I think we all have to do the best that we can, & not make ourselves too upset over what we cannot help…I speak as one who is no stranger to product boycotts: In the end, all we can do is our very best.:twocents:
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JoshTanney
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Why dont people like to buy from china tho
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Zooey
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For myself?? I really have other things that I avoid. They have nothing to do with China…I think this is something that each person must decide for himslef. I know that I can’t avoid it anyway, & that I am going to end up making myself crazy, if I try to avoid everything from everywhere that might be a problem.
Most Chinese people are regular ordinary humans who need to feed their families. Someone has to buy their products, & they are often very inexpensive…
As I said before, my concern is with companies in the USA & Europe, whose money is tainted in a variety of ways… I choose to not support them with my dollars. I don’t ask that anyone else follow me in this.
Have you spoken with your pastor, or another priest? You may want to get that kind of advice, in order to feel at peace about this question!
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cheeto1
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Why? Because I have a heart for my persecuted brothers and
sisters of the faith. Here I sit like a fat cat in America,
I can read the Bible any time I want, go to church every day if
I want to, and it would be illegal for my government to burn
down my church and send me to jail or a prison camp. It is
illegal to have allegiance to the Pope there. They have Catholic
churches, but you are not allowed to follow the pope. They
appoint their own kind of bishops. If you have prayer meetings
in your home, God help you. Their policy is to burn the place
down and take everyone to jail. Until this governmental policy
is removed, I don’t like buying things made in China for this
reason: When they take the Christians to prison camps, they
produce items there. If I were to buy one of these items to
save a buck, I can’t bear the idea that I am paying these cruel
people for their poor treatment of God’s faithful.
Maybe if there was something else I was doing to mightily
defend our fellow Christians, I wouldn’t mind buying things from
China. But with things as they are, I feel the least I can do is
not reward these cruel people with my own money.
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JoshTanney
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i think its ok to buy and use things from china
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stbruno
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Personally, not all things are labeled as coming from China like the gluten that was put in the dog food.
But buying American supports our economy better.
Buying from China supports their economy better and their government that accepts lots of policy that are built on the exploitation of human beings. You have to make that decision.
I for one need to be more judicious at looking at labels too.
But buying American supports our economy better.
Buying from China supports their economy better and their government that accepts lots of policy that are built on the exploitation of human beings. You have to make that decision.
I for one need to be more judicious at looking at labels too.
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JoshTanney
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Would it be a sin to buy from china and if i have soemthing from chian would i need to thow it out
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LDNCatholic
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No, you do not need to throw it out, the item isn’t evil. Some people choose not to buy Chinese goods as a form of moral protest because of Chinese laws regarding religious tolerance. You are entitled to buy things from China as long as you aren’t doing it with the sole intention of supporting the persecution of people under Chinese law.
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Celeste88
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Recently I saw a documentary on tv on a company in China that manufactures those cheap plastic beads- mardi gras beads. There are girls who work in the factory under poor working conditions making these beads and earning 10 cents an hour. Girls that are 16 and 17 and younger working long hours - 12-13 or more hours and having only Sunday off. And what are these beads used for? If you’re familiar with the Mardi Gras celebrations you know the more you expose certain parts of your anatomy the more beads you’ll get! Eventually they’ll get thrown in the trash. Now whenever I see something cheap and plastic I think of how hard the people worked to make this product, they may have been children working in China or Vietnam or Pakistan.
Just yesterday I got plastic rosary beads in the mail from a Catholic organization asking for donations to feed the poor. I wondered where the rosary was made, it was so ironic.
Just yesterday I got plastic rosary beads in the mail from a Catholic organization asking for donations to feed the poor. I wondered where the rosary was made, it was so ironic.
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Dan_Grelinger
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We do have a choice. What would these girls be doing if they were not working in this bead factory? I am not sure that they have options. If the bead factory was to go out of business, would they be better off?
These are complex issues. I don’t think that arbitrarily boycotting everything made is China is the answer.
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cheeto1
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I agree on this. I wouldn’t stop buying things made in China no
matter how low the pay was or how poor the working conditions.
But when people are arrested and forced to it against their will,
this is where I draw the line. When the crime is speaking about
Jesus or following the Pope, I draw the line here. When my
money is funding Christian persecution, I draw the line.
And I’d like to know why as Americans we aren’t free to buy
items made in America? We should be able to buy anything
we want made in our own country if we so choose but this is
not the case right now.
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Jay2
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For the last few weeks I’ve been working in a VERY LARGE “distribution warehouse” (1M+ sq.ft… it takes 15 minutes to walk end to end!). Endless row upon row of racking 30 feet high, with aisles just wide enough for a forklift.
What is on the shelves?? … Boxes of goods from very popular, well known & commonly thought of as American companies. 80% of the boxes have “Made in China”, “Assembled in China”, “Packaged in China”…
Only 12 or so years ago those boxes would have said “Made in the USA”.
We’ve become a disposable society. Stuff made over there is so cheap ($$$ and quality) that we think nothing of spending $20 for an item knowing it will fail in a year… “I’ll just get another, they’re cheap”, instead of buying/demanding quality, looking for “Made in the USA”, spending a bit more, and never having to replace it.
What is on the shelves?? … Boxes of goods from very popular, well known & commonly thought of as American companies. 80% of the boxes have “Made in China”, “Assembled in China”, “Packaged in China”…
Only 12 or so years ago those boxes would have said “Made in the USA”.
We’ve become a disposable society. Stuff made over there is so cheap ($$$ and quality) that we think nothing of spending $20 for an item knowing it will fail in a year… “I’ll just get another, they’re cheap”, instead of buying/demanding quality, looking for “Made in the USA”, spending a bit more, and never having to replace it.
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