Is it bad to like Islamic spirituality?

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benjohnson said:
^this!!

Just about any practice or valid religious thought you can find in any other religion exists in entirely within the broader Christian experience.

For myself I found an admiration for the Jewish diligence of raising children with good characters traits (midos) - it didn’t take long to find a Christian analogue that was even more comprehensive.
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Yes, that was an excellent point. And a good example from you, a perfect analogy.
Maybe what i admire is found in Eastern Monasticism, as somebody said earlier.
 
If you try to mix things to Catholicism, why do you follow Catholicism? surely, if the Catholic faith is true, you wouldn’t have to add or take away anything.
 
drac16 said:
If you try to mix things to Catholicism, why do you follow Catholicism? surely, if the Catholic faith is true, you wouldn’t have to add or take away anything.
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Yes, excellent point. I think that what I admire about Islam is really a reflection of Catholicism that modern Catholics have forgotten. I am not adding to my faith, just being a little wild in my pursuit of total submission to God.
 
ialsop said:
Yes, excellent point. I think that what I admire about Islam is really a reflection of Catholicism that modern Catholics have forgotten. I am not adding to my faith, just being a little wild in my pursuit of total submission to God.
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Don’t let the false piety fool you. Islamic total submission is slavery. It was for freedom that Christ has set us free. Gal. 5:1
 
theropod said:
Don’t let the false piety fool you. Islamic total submission is slavery. It was for freedom that Christ has set us free. Gal. 5:1
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It would be interesting to check a Biblical concordance to see how many times we, as Christians, are told to submit - to God, to Christ, to husbands, etc…

And I wonder how many times Catholics are told to submit to the teachings of the Church. Or to the Bishop. Or to the Superior of a Religious Order.

It’s not so different from our Muslim brothers and sisters.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
It would be interesting to check a Biblical concordance to see how many times we, as Christians, are told to submit - to God, to Christ, to husbands, etc…

And I wonder how many times Catholics are told to submit to the teachings of the Church. Or to the Bishop. Or to the Superior of a Religious Order.

It’s not so different from our Muslim brothers and sisters.
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God bless that is true Fellowship ComplineSanFran

Regards Tony
 
theropod said:
It’s seriously not even comparable.
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If that is what you look for, then God will grant you that vision.

As a Baha’i we Look at it another way and when you do it might surprise you.

Regards Tony
 
Baha’is are fairly close to Muslims and Islam since our Faith was originated in Iran…so we have Qur’anic verses that are cited in Baha’i Writings I have studied Qur’an and learned some Arabic.

Baha’is have a nineteen day fast while Muslims observe a thirty day fast…

We can pray once or three times a day …while Muslims pray five times a day.

We have pilgrimage to the Holy Land while Muslims go on pilgrimage to Mecca…

One of the problems we have though is that our sites of pilgrimage in Shiraz, Iran and Baghdad, Iraq have been seized and destroyed. Our cemeteries in Iran have been desecrated and Baha’i youth are excluded from attending universities. Hundreds of Baha’is have been executed by the Islamic revolution in Iran and many are imprisoned.

Given all this we Baha’is do not attack Islam and pray that someday the persecution of our Faith will end in Muslim countries.
 
Beware interfaith. No compromises. JESUS is MESSIAH! FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT!
 
ialsop said:
I am attracted to how they defend their faith. Islam tolerates no heresy, no blasphemy, no apostasy. I am talking about moderate Islam, NOT the liberal Islam of the US, nor the terrorists of ISIS, rather the normal moderates in the Middle East. They will drive heresy out of their country.
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You seem to have a very distorted view of the Middle East. The ones who, given the chance, would “drive heresy out of their country” are the Salafists and the Wahhabists, whom very few people would consider ‘Moderate’. Outside of the Arabian Peninsula, most Sunnis do not try to expel Shias and Christians from their countries. Indeed, I think most would not see such an act as virtuous as all (ethnic cleansing is indeed very rarely considered a virtue).
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Why is not comparable? If one believes in the supreme authority of God, why would you not submit to that authority?
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Because while our submission to Christ brings freedom, Islamic submission is slavery to the law. Law like the Pharasees never dreamed of. It is oppression with no grace. I understand wanting to give some benefit of the doubt, but you really don’t seem to know much about Islam.
 
theropod said:
Because while our submission to Christ brings freedom, Islamic submission is slavery to the law. Law like the Pharasees never dreamed of. It is oppression with no grace. I understand wanting to give some benefit of the doubt, but you really don’t seem to know much about Islam.
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Islam believes in a capricious God, a God whose will can never be fully known or comprehended or anticipated. For Muslims, submitting to God means giving the reins to a drunk driver, someone who might change his mind drastically from one moment to the next. For this and many other reasons, Islamic submission is more like slavery than the freedom of Christ.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
It would be interesting to check a Biblical concordance to see how many times we, as Christians, are told to submit - to God, to Christ, to husbands, etc…

And I wonder how many times Catholics are told to submit to the teachings of the Church. Or to the Bishop. Or to the Superior of a Religious Order.

It’s not so different from our Muslim brothers and sisters.
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I’m not so sure that I can agree. It is a widespread and very well supported opinion that the context of submission within Islam is strict submission to the body of Islamic Law which forms a religio-political system. There are many varying schools (madhahib) concerning the application of Sharia, but I would argue that Islamic Jurisprudence is disposed to dealing with regulating both the political and the religious aspects of the lives of its adherents in a way that Christianity is not.
 
Elizium23 said:
Islam believes in a capricious God, a God whose will can never be fully known or comprehended or anticipated. For Muslims, submitting to God means giving the reins to a drunk driver, someone who might change his mind drastically from one moment to the next. For this and many other reasons, Islamic submission is more like slavery than the freedom of Christ.
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This is the sort of bigotry which makes me hesitant to participate in threads on Islam. We can offer thoughtful and critical assessments of their religious thought without comparing their account of God to a drunk driver.
 
Cavaradossi said:
I’m not so sure that I can agree. It is a widespread and very well supported opinion that the context of submission within Islam is strict submission to the body of Islamic Law which forms a religio-political system. There are many varying schools (madhahib) concerning the application of Sharia, but I would argue that Islamic Jurisprudence is disposed to dealing with regulating both the political and the religious aspects of the lives of its adherents in a way that Christianity is not.
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I would agree with that to some degree (but not fully, having looked a bit at RC Canon Law), but it certainly is comparable to Halachah in Judaism, especially within Orthodoxy.
 
Cavaradossi said:
This is the sort of bigotry which makes me hesitant to participate in threads on Islam. We can offer thoughtful and critical assessments of their religious thought without comparing their account of God to a drunk driver.
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I totally agree. It’s not worthy of a reply.
 
theropod said:
Because while our submission to Christ brings freedom, Islamic submission is slavery to the law. Law like the Pharasees never dreamed of. It is oppression with no grace. I understand wanting to give some benefit of the doubt, but you really don’t seem to know much about Islam.
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Excuse me?
 
theropod said:
Because while our submission to Christ brings freedom, Islamic submission is slavery to the law. Law like the Pharasees never dreamed of. It is oppression with no grace. I understand wanting to give some benefit of the doubt, but you really don’t seem to know much about Islam.
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Jesus gave commandments and laws. There is no such thing as absolute freedom in grace.
Jesus said in John 13:34 that the new COMMANDMENT is to love one another as you love Him. Is it really freedom to love someone who spits and kicks and punches your children and yourself? It is only through the commandment and Law of Jesus that enables you to be righteous before God in such circumstances.

The Law, in reality exists in all religions. It is a specific “relationship” designed to bring you in rapturous love with your Lord.

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