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That’s a nice analogy. May i use the analogy of a Miuslim schoolgirl being shot in the head for wanting to attend school? Why? “Love” forbade it. That is not my LORD’s Love nor do I want any dialogue with it.
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Aren’t there some not so very clean things known to the world that Muhammed did?
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So may ask why we need to celebrate “unity in diversity”? How would that benefit us? Should we not already have a live and let live philosophy? And i would like to pose another question to all based on said celebration: do you believe in a new one world religion to come? That’s where this is leading. Sorry bout grammar. This tab is a pain in the keester . Can I say keester?Nostra Aetate is an outstanding text of the Catholic Church. Please don’t be shy, start a thread, it really is a cause for the celebration of “unity in diversity”…I will post in such a thread with a tone of rejoicing
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While we appreciate your conviction, and yes the sun is found in all religions i spose , the SON is found in only one. He said in John 8; Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life. NASBWow, what a wonderful question Fran
I have many convictions in life, but in relation to unity in diversity, I suppose the most accurate analogy I have conviction in is the statement from the Revelation of Baha’u’llah:
“Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch”
(you may wish to explore the full text of this verse here, as it briefly also explores religious diversity and why all the major global religions are correct: reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-132.html )
What I am convinced of as a leaf of one branch is that we are all different, yet we are all intimately connected and have a higher purpose than what is superficially visible. It is that higher purpose that unites me with other leaves. To fulfill the true purpose of the tree, the leaf must reach out toward the Sun. When embellished with light, the leaf can fulfill its true purpose and when all leaves turn towards the Light, then the tree of humanity can reach full fruition. This is unity in diversity from my humble understanding. There is no identity save in the identity found under the Rays of the Sun.
The Sun can be found in all the major religions. Its Light shines through and pervades the fundamentals of each one of them. It is only due to the requirements of humanity at a specific point in time that the “application” of these Rays of Light can be found to show differences. We must focus on the Light and see how it can be applied to today’s world.
That is my conviction
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And long before any religion, God said, “Let there be light: and there was light.”
JESUS is the Light of the world.
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone
Salvation is for those who confess CHRIST as Savior.
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Amen
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There is only One God, why are there so many religions, why are there so many fractures of some if not most religions?
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IMHO We can like Islam Spiritually as it Shed naught but the Light of God In Muhammad and His Teachings for the age He Lived in.
What I have found is that References in Holy Scriptures to the Light that shines in the Chosen of God are many and an important reflection for all of us.
The Baha’i writings show us that the Light as in Christ also shines in all the religions of God. This is from “The Dawn of Peace”.
“The divine Manifestations since the day of Adam have striven to unite humanity so that all may be accounted as one soul. The function and purpose of a shepherd is to gather and not disperse his flock. The prophets of God have been divine shepherds of humanity. They have established a bond of love and unity among mankind, made scattered peoples one nation and wandering tribes a mighty kingdom. They have laid the foundation of the oneness of God and summoned all to universal peace. All these holy, divine Manifestations are one. They have served one God, promulgated the same truth, founded the same institutions and reflected the same light”. reference.bahai.org/en/t/c/FWU/fwu-3.html
Of course this opens many topics of discussion, but one can always enjoy the sun no matter where it arises. You will note in the Material World it has a different dawning place and is known by a different day. months and seasons. There is wisdom in this.
God Bless and Regards Tony
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Umm, so it seems as though you (and IgnatianPhilo) are interested in competition.
Jesus actually copied Krishna.
Krishna said " I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being, moving or unmoving, that can exist without me"
"I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. EVERYTHING emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts"
So why on earth are you not a Hindu?
Krishna came to this earth first in time, and created everything (including Jesus) before time.
I would follow Him…
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Where.
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And who is more truthful, Krishna or Jesus?
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I could be considered that the question can be answered if we consider would we think it was bad for a Jew to Like Christianity Spiritually.
In the end all that Islam does is challenge the current concepts that Christians may have of Christ.
History has shown that we do not appreciate a New Religion because it challenges concepts held by the religion gone before it?
Thus a Jew might not Like any Christian views, but a Christan appreciates the Old Testament while bathed in the “New Message”. It is the same for a Muslim.
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In the end all that Islam does is challenge the current concepts that Christians may have of Christ.
History has shown that we do not appreciate a New Religion because it challenges concepts held by the religion gone before it?
Thus a Jew might not Like any Christian views, but a Christan appreciates the Old Testament while bathed in the “New Message”. It is the same for a Muslim.
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And that means the spirituality of each religion is legitimate? I think not.
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One of the sections in Nostra Aetate I like so very much reads:
“Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing “ways,” comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men”
So, yes. The spirituality - that which is true and holy - of each religion is legitimate.
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Firstly one would have to Define what is considered “legitimate spirituality”
Fortunately, that is why we have Gods Word to guide us, as we have not the ability to choose what is of God and What is not and what is Legitimate. God Doeth as He Willeth.
If we apply Gods Word with Justice and then judge fairly the answer will be apparent in a positive way.
If we condemn Islam for any reason, then also look at Christianity with the same judgement. What one finds is that man in all religions has fallen short of True Service to God and Humanity as called for in their Scriptures.
It is also interesting that the majority of the People that will find Flaw with a New Message/Messenger are the People of the Books that have preceded the Latest Message.
I have just read the Koran again, so many wonderful teachings, so many teachings that challenge our thought. A great and Mighty Book Indeed. One can get a great appreciation of Muhammad by contemplating what the Koran is Telling Humanity.
God Bless and Regards Tony
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I will Give a Baha’i Invocation to that wonderful short summary
YaBaha’ul’Abha (meaning: ‘O Thou Glory of Glories!’)
Regards Tony
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That spirituality of other religions contains in it many false elements as well as some true ones. For instance, at it’s core Islamic spirituality is not centered on Jesus as God. The Muslim who is faithful and knows his theology worships God apart from Jesus Christ. How does one religion whose basis is a rejection of the true God entail any legitimacy? Only certain elements of practice retain any value but since they are disconnected with the true God they don’t seem to have any value in the end.
The argument, from a Christian perspective that Islamic spirituality, is legitimate, can only work if the Muslim is ignorant of his or her theology regarding God and does not know much about God. In which case, are they even Muslim?
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