Is it better for a woman to change her last name at marriage?

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Being that my family is a descendant of slaves, The idea of taking a lastname has to do with ownership. Unlike most people’s last names that have to do what their fathers did for a living like Granger(farmer) Bovinizer(cattle). Slaves were given their names based on who *owned *them except for the few men who named themselves Freeman after being freed. I’m not married but I took my Father’s name over my Mother’s who kept her own name but had it hyphenated later. That is her professional title. But Friends and relatives call her by my father’s name. My mother also is addressed by Ms. in professional settings instead of Mrs. My mother only uses Mrs when she’s trying to deter men from hitting on her. Since my mother is from the south, and her name is English in origin, then it can only be deduced that her name is a slave name and not given by marriage. My father’s name is Irish. The Irish people showed up much later in history and were therefore persucuted by the Nativists. That name was given through marriage when some Irish people married Native Americans or African Americans instead. Irish people weren’t considered white by WASP standards so there really weren’t any punishments or laws preventing them from marrying. For a large portion of American history, Marriage between whites and non-whites was a crime. Never have I ever heard of an Irish American Slave master. To me the idea of taking the name of man who didn’t bring me life or raise me as almost like an act of self imposed bondage. You write your names on things that you own. Books,clothing, toys. Not people.

For many Black Americans, the changing of names had less to do with feminism, and more to do withh empowerment which took place during the same time period. If you can Recall, El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz was formerly named Malcolm Little. Many of his followers rejected their names and were addressed simply by X until they created names of their own. El-Shabazz’s wife is addressed as Mrs El-Shabazz, not Mrs Little or Mrs X. Depending on the name’s country of origin would also be a determining factor. I would probably take no problem with addressed as Mrs. Nakamura or Guiseppi but would probably be leary of a name like Louis or Johnson. I have reputataion among people for not conforming to to mainstream ideas that I find offensive or oppresive. Just because almost everyone does it, does not make it ok or the right way to do things. Taking such a “normal” name might cause people who respect me to percieve me as a sellout or insecure in my identity. My brother does this regularly in order to fit in with kids he barely knows or know him . He has a non European name but he is somehow ashamed of his heritage and prefers to be addressed by plain names like Tom or John . He is more concerned about being well liked and popular by strangers than having any actual integrity or commitment to any cause of any kind. I have also very exotic first name and I do not apologize for it. I also do not apologize for the way I speak or dress or the way I wear my hair which strike many people in my community as too radical or political. And in a way it is.🤷
 
Being a man here I guess I may get beat up over this, but here it goes. Why wouldn’t a woman not want her husband’s last name? What about biblically that a woman “leaves her family” and “joins her husband”?

Why would you want to be “different” from your husband and children? To be different, to hold onto what? To me it sounds selfish. Honestly I see it as a tad of a disgrace for a woman to not take her husband’s name. Are they or are they not joining together to create something new?

The man is suppose to be the “head of the houehold”. It has nothing to do with being a power trip, or at least it should not be. Wives are suppose to submit to their husbands, however that is not an open ticket to be “holier than thou”. Husbands are to love their wives as he loves the church and should make choices that are in the best interest of them not “him”.

Sorry when I see women that don’t fully take their husband last name they don’t seem to be fully joined to their husbands and are trying to stay separate.
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I agree with you. I do understand why some women keep their maiden name though, Dr’s, Lawyers, Artist, Writers, etc. If their maiden name is linked to their career in some fields it can be vital to keep that name. I also used to work in the Criminal Justice field and many of our female officers would keep their maiden name when they married so it would be more difficult for someone to find their homes.

I took my husband’s last name, it is a simple and very common last name. We have had discussions about when men have horrible or difficult last names why they don’t consider taking their wives last name. My DH said he would have if that was our situation. Maybe that is a whole different topic.
 
We have had discussions about when men have horrible or difficult last names why they don’t consider taking their wives last name. My DH said he would have if that was our situation. Maybe that is a whole different topic.
My cousin and her DH both hyphenated their names. Their names were:
Cousin HerLastname
Cousin-in-law HisLastname

Now they (and their kids) are:
Cousin HerLastname-HisLastname
Cousin-in-law HerLastname-HisLastname

I’ve never heard of this before, and I thought it was strange, as did his parents apparently. (But at least they all have the same last name I guess, right? :o ) When they send him mail, they do not use his hyphenated name.
 
I was overly excited to take on DH’s lastname when we were married, but I was raised that way and always dreamed of it.

My only problem with women keeping their maiden name is that it caused a lot of confusion for me growing up (even now sometimes), especially when making introductions and I guess being raised with the wife taking the husband’s name, a little uncomfortable calling her Ms. MaidenName. But it’s minor and since it’s more common now, I’m sure my children won’t be quite so awkward about it :).

Of course, DH would have been only too happy to take my maiden name since his last name is a girl’s first name and he gets called that all the time…😉 😛 😃
 
Still under the influence of feminism of the '70/'80’s, I elected to be legally myname-hisname when I married. (I’ve since repented of the feminism).
How very sad. Now, I don’t mean to pick on you personally, or go terribly off topic, but comments like this that abound on this forum make me think many here don’t really understand what Feminism is.

I am pro-life, NFP using(when I get married next year), going to change my last name, pro-homeschooling, chaste, and I consider myself a feminist.

Many groups with many ideologies have adopted “feminism,” but twist it to their own means. Ultimately, true feminism is about choice and equality. The choice to use NFP, or not. The choice to homeschool or not. The choice to be a SAM or have a career.

And for those of us who choose to work, or have families that need us to do so, to get paid the same as any other person with the same skill doing the same job.

In China feminists don’t work to promote abortion (that’s mandatory already), they work to allow women the choice to have more than one child.

True feminism is non-violent and works for the equality of all people, regardless of gender. Those who use feminism to attack men, SAM, and those who are pro-life are rejecting the basic tenant of feminism: the right to live your life by the values you choose.

I cringe when I hear women say, “I don’t believe in feminism,” because to say that and really mean it is to say, “I don’t believe I should have the right to live my life by the values I choose. I don’t believe I should get to choose to be a SAM or to work outside the home. I don’t believe I should get equal pay for equal work. I don’t believe nursing moms should have rights in the workplace.”

I get so angry at the pro-choice movement and how it has usurped feminism, and those who have become “femi-nazis” who turn feminism from a vehicle of equality to a tool to promote the oppression of men (and women who choose more traditional lives). And I do understand why some people might want to distance themselves from some of the connotations that have become bound up in feminism, but I don’t think the way to do that is to reject feminism outright, but rather we need to work harder at redefining and reclaiming it.

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I can cause improper assumptions. When I was on the board of my son’s nursery school I remember one woman saying “All the Francophone kids in this school have unmarried parents!” Well, no, they didn’t; it was just that in Quebec a woman could no longer just assume her husband’s name, she had to legally change her name to his and nobody wanted to do that.

But just last year a woman went to court to force the government to allow women to assume their husband’s last name if that is their wish. It hasn’t been resolved yet.

In Quebec, although I’ve been Mrs. Huband’s Name for almost 34 years, if I’m admitted to the hospital I’m admitted as Ms. Maiden Name as the name that I have legally used for 33 years is not recognized.
 
How very sad. Now, I don’t mean to pick on you personally, or go terribly off topic, but comments like this that abound on this forum make me think many here don’t really understand what Feminism is.

I am pro-life, NFP using(when I get married next year), going to change my last name, pro-homeschooling, chaste, and I consider myself a feminist.

Many groups with many ideologies have adopted “feminism,” but twist it to their own means. Ultimately, true feminism is about choice and equality. The choice to use NFP, or not. The choice to homeschool or not. The choice to be a SAM or have a career.

And for those of us who choose to work, or have families that need us to do so, to get paid the same as any other person with the same skill doing the same job.

In China feminists don’t work to promote abortion (that’s mandatory already), they work to allow women the choice to have more than one child.

True feminism is non-violent and works for the equality of all people, regardless of gender. Those who use feminism to attack men, SAM, and those who are pro-life are rejecting the basic tenant of feminism: the right to live your life by the values you choose.

I cringe when I hear women say, “I don’t believe in feminism,” because to say that and really mean it is to say, “I don’t believe I should have the right to live my life by the values I choose. I don’t believe I should get to choose to be a SAM or to work outside the home. I don’t believe I should get equal pay for equal work. I don’t believe nursing moms should have rights in the workplace.”

I get so angry at the pro-choice movement and how it has usurped feminism, and those who have become “femi-nazis” who turn feminism from a vehicle of equality to a tool to promote the oppression of men (and women who choose more traditional lives). And I do understand why some people might want to distance themselves from some of the connotations that have become bound up in feminism, but I don’t think the way to do that is to reject feminism outright, but rather we need to work harder at redefining and reclaiming it.

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I understand what your saying, but I’ve seen too much filth on feministing.com to ever call myself a feminist again. The radicals have really hi-jacked the term. I definitely believe in women’s suffrage and equal pay for equal work, but modern feminism has gone way beyond that.
 
I can cause improper assumptions. When I was on the board of my son’s nursery school I remember one woman saying “All the Francophone kids in this school have unmarried parents!” Well, no, they didn’t; it was just that in Quebec a woman could no longer just assume her husband’s name, **she had to legally change her name to his and nobody wanted to do that. **
In the US you have to do this legally too, so I’m not sure what your point is…are you saying that the woman was too lazy to do it legally? :confused:
But just last year a woman went to court to force the government to allow women to assume their husband’s last name if that is their wish. It hasn’t been resolved yet.

In Quebec, although I’ve been Mrs. Huband’s Name for almost 34 years, if I’m admitted to the hospital I’m admitted as Ms. Maiden Name as the name that I have legally used for 33 years is not recognized.
This makes no sense. They don’t recognize the name you’ve used for 33 years (your DH’s name) because you didn’t change it legally?

I don’t think I’m understanding. :o
 
When and if I get married I’ll probably take the man’s last name just because that’s what most people do in the U.S. However, the name “Tara” doesn’t go well with a lot of last names, so I hope I get lucky and marry someone with one of the few combinations where it doesn’t sound bad.

I had a professor last year who was of Basque origin, and he actually had a hyphenated name but he used his MOTHER’S maiden name legally. Of course, since his mother’s maiden name was very difficult to pronounce, everybody knew him by his father’s. Does anybody know if that’s a common practice among those of Basque origin?
 
In the US you have to do this legally too, so I’m not sure what your point is…are you saying that the woman was too lazy to do it legally? :confused:

This makes no sense. They don’t recognize the name you’ve used for 33 years (your DH’s name) because you didn’t change it legally?

I don’t think I’m understanding. :o
Difficult to understand, but, that’s the way it is there. . . apparently due to the hassles of keeping records for socialized medicine, everyone must retain the name that is on one’s birth certificate unless one goes through a verrrrry lengthy legal process. They’ve even got a sort of name police that OK’s names before they become official on a baby’s birth certificate so that no one can be tempted to change an unsuitable name. i.e. the name “Ima” Hogg would not be allowed to be on a birth certificate. At least that’s the way it was explained to me when I lived up there.
 
When and if I get married I’ll probably take the man’s last name just because that’s what most people do in the U.S. However, the name “Tara” doesn’t go well with a lot of last names, so I hope I get lucky and marry someone with one of the few combinations where it doesn’t sound bad.

I had a professor last year who was of Basque origin, and he actually had a hyphenated name but he used his MOTHER’S maiden name legally. Of course, since his mother’s maiden name was very difficult to pronounce, everybody knew him by his father’s. Does anybody know if that’s a common practice among those of Basque origin?
It’s common in some Hispanic/Spanish cultures. Mexican men often use their mother’s family name as a middle name. Sometimes they will list their last name of their father’s other places their mother’s last name.
 
Difficult to understand, but, that’s the way it is there. . . apparently due to the hassles of keeping records for socialized medicine, everyone must retain the name that is on one’s birth certificate unless one goes through a verrrrry lengthy legal process. They’ve even got a sort of name police that OK’s names before they become official on a baby’s birth certificate so that no one can be tempted to change an unsuitable name. i.e. the name “Ima” Hogg would not be allowed to be on a birth certificate. At least that’s the way it was explained to me when I lived up there.
Wow. Just another reason I’m glad we don’t have socialized healthcare (or socialism in general) in the US! Thanks for helping me understand. 🙂
 
In the US you have to do this legally too, so I’m not sure what your point is…are you saying that the woman was too lazy to do it legally? :confused:

This makes no sense. They don’t recognize the name you’ve used for 33 years (your DH’s name) because you didn’t change it legally?

I don’t think I’m understanding. :o
No, there is a big difference between changing your name when you marry and “legally” changing it. The first just requires a marriage certificate and you can “assume” your hubby’s name…just start using it. The second requires going to court and filing paperwork with the government.

Same when you divorce…you have a one year grace period when you can just “assume” your maiden name again, without having to pay money to do it in front of a judge.
 
Guy’s view…

Me personally, I really can’t stand those hyphenated names… we talk about traditions etc… I believe that it’s important for a family to identify as that… a family, to me part of that means having the same last name.

Please do not get me wrong though, I’m pretty liberal in most areas.

So when I state what I stated above I’m not saying it in a sexist manner. I dated a number of girls in college who were very keen on the idea back in the late 80s early 90s. While I’m very proud of my name and my hertiage, I would have taken their name rather than had us hyphenate or her keep hers if it meant that much to them. Luckly the woman I married wasn’t keen on the idea and took my last name.

Again, my point is that I believe it’s important to identify a family as a family and all having the same last name is part of that for me… call me “old fashoned” I guess.

Joe
 
I think it’s a wonderful sign on marriage–that the two become one. And it’s certainly easier on the kids to just be the ***** family, instead of, well, mom has this name, dad has that name, I have a different name…
When I was young, I always said I’d keep my name since it was such an unusual ethnic name, and our generation was about gone. But when it actually came time to marry, I knew I wanted my husband’s name so we would have a family name together.
 
How very sad. Now, I don’t mean to pick on you personally, or go terribly off topic, but comments like this that abound on this forum make me think many here don’t really understand what Feminism is.

I am pro-life, NFP using(when I get married next year), going to change my last name, pro-homeschooling, chaste, and I consider myself a feminist.

Many groups with many ideologies have adopted “feminism,” but twist it to their own means. Ultimately, true feminism is about choice and equality. The choice to use NFP, or not. The choice to homeschool or not. The choice to be a SAM or have a career.

And for those of us who choose to work, or have families that need us to do so, to get paid the same as any other person with the same skill doing the same job.

In China feminists don’t work to promote abortion (that’s mandatory already), they work to allow women the choice to have more than one child.

True feminism is non-violent and works for the equality of all people, regardless of gender. Those who use feminism to attack men, SAM, and those who are pro-life are rejecting the basic tenant of feminism: the right to live your life by the values you choose.

I cringe when I hear women say, “I don’t believe in feminism,” because to say that and really mean it is to say, “I don’t believe I should have the right to live my life by the values I choose. I don’t believe I should get to choose to be a SAM or to work outside the home. I don’t believe I should get equal pay for equal work. I don’t believe nursing moms should have rights in the workplace.”

I get so angry at the pro-choice movement and how it has usurped feminism, and those who have become “femi-nazis” who turn feminism from a vehicle of equality to a tool to promote the oppression of men (and women who choose more traditional lives). And I do understand why some people might want to distance themselves from some of the connotations that have become bound up in feminism, but I don’t think the way to do that is to reject feminism outright, but rather we need to work harder at redefining and reclaiming it.

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Absolutely right. I am constantly appalled by how many people insult feminism in these fora.
 
Difficult to understand, but, that’s the way it is there. . . apparently due to the hassles of keeping records for socialized medicine, everyone must retain the name that is on one’s birth certificate unless one goes through a verrrrry lengthy legal process. They’ve even got a sort of name police that OK’s names before they become official on a baby’s birth certificate so that no one can be tempted to change an unsuitable name. i.e. the name “Ima” Hogg would not be allowed to be on a birth certificate. At least that’s the way it was explained to me when I lived up there.
I don’t think it has to do with socialized medicine since we have that in all the other provinces and they don’t require us to keep our maiden name. Quebec just likes to be different in everything.
 
In the US you have to do this legally too, so I’m not sure what your point is…are you saying that the woman was too lazy to do it legally? :confused:

This makes no sense. They don’t recognize the name you’ve used for 33 years (your DH’s name) because you didn’t change it legally?

I don’t think I’m understanding. :o
When I say a legal name change I mean she has to go to court and petition to change her surname to her husband’s surname. It changes the name on her birth certificate. The only surname that province recognizes is the one on your birth certificate.
 
If my husband had a nice last name, I would of changed it. lol

He was fine with the fact that I wanted to keep my last name.
 
It’s probably morally neutral. It depends on the culture. Depends on the couple.
I think it’s about as morally neutral as cremation.
Really. It is okay for a Catholic to be cremated. AS LONG AS it isn’t done as an act of disbelief in the resurrection of the body.

Since different cultures do different things as far as woman taking the man’s last name, that part of it is morally neutral.

So, AS LONG AS the woman isn’t keeping her own last name in defiance of the Church’s teaching in Ephesians 5, “Wives, submit to your husbands; Husbands LOVE your wives…”
then it could be morally neutral.

I think for purposes of family genealogical research, it would be considerate of future generations to keep the same family pattern going, imho.
 
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