Is it enough - to be good?

[Bruno_Schulz]

And exactly what were you think of?
Who is going to explain this joke to Bruno?

**Oh, Bruno got that one alright; though he didn’t think it was a very suitable one, as someone thought others think not the right way :coffeeread:

Here’s a better one:
An old couple happened to die same time.
They find themselves in heaven, and all is absolutely great, wonderful, splendid, and so striking beautiful and gorgeous, as they never in their long life would have thought heaven could ever be.
So he bawls at her:
Oh; you and your damned pills! We could have had all this 40 years ago!!!
**

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**

The terminology; Heart and Soul are used many times in Catholic Doctrine. I must emphasize two seperate entities HEART &, {making the distinction on the AND} SOUL.
God breathed a soul into all mankind. This would include non-Christians of course. Does an atheist have a soul?

You keep asking things that had been answered Dear. Never mind, but you ought to think answers over, convinced Christians worked out for you, before asking the next bunch of questions.
EVERY human has a soul – else he wouldn’t be human. Every human is property of God; unless this human denies God and gives his soul away to hell (no matter if he believes in hell or not)

Is it to be believed the Heart of Christ is the same as the Soul of Christ? I believe there is a clear distinction.

You are sticking on words like a bird on birdlime. But still, never mind. Might be your question is s asked by many. The “Heart of Christ” is not the soul of Christ, it is the love of Christ, manifested in the fact, that He did let us torture Himself do death, out of love to save us. That’s what you see on many pictures, when you see Jesus with his heart crowned by a crown of thorns. The soul of Christ is Christ Himself, who took a flesh body to be a human like we are and in this soul, He went to hell before His resurrection, to wrench those humans from hell, who could not get into heaven before Jesus salvation. This was the first step to establish Gods Kingdom on this earth (They Kingdome come) and to show heaven, world and hell, who is the one and only sovereign of ALL there is.

Would a person have the ability to believe in God, if God did not choose to write it his your soul? Are we speaking of predestination here?

Since every human originates in God and out of Gods will and grace to let this very person live to give this person the chance to live in eternity with God in Gods kingdom, which goes of course for every singly embryo too who is being murdered by “people”, this predestination is given every human to be born (or destroyed by people). Every person in the world has or had this predestination and it’s up to him, to either follow the way of God (which is Jesus Christ) or the much easier way of Satan (mostly called MoneyWay, or Way of no Love, or Street of Selfishness, and similar.)

Would a person have the ability to believe in God, if God did not choose to write it his your soul? Are we speaking of predestination here?

Let me serve a terribly very profane metaphor: If you breed turkeys, you won’t end up with crows. If you breed dogs, you won’t get cats. Still; very cat or dog has it’s own character. In other words: You get, what you breed, but this creature might not be to your liking. Even you brought it up lovingly, it might hate you.

When a father has 12 sons, all of them have different natures, but all of them are this fathers children and he will love them, and they know that - or they deny that fact and might do very wrong and deceive their father. See what happened to Benjamin when his brothers sold him and told their father, Benjamin was killed by wilds animals in Genesis 37:1 to 28

Yes, God wrote into every soul YOU ARE MINE. I’ve given you your life, and I want you to live for all eternity in My kingdom. A certain knowledge of the being of God is engraved in every human soul. Every single one!
But; God gave every human a free will to decide. That’s the only reason why we are on earth! To decide for good or bad. For God or God’s counterpart Satan, the mighty daemon. The over mighty daemon who is more helpless than a baby, if we have God on our side.

Did God, in his infinite wisdom choose particular individuals throughout history to be blessed, and turns away from others?

No! God is the absolute righteousness itself. God chooses His people when this people choose God first. God chose Holy Mary to be worthy to give birth to Jesus, because Mary lived absolutely in God and she was the most worthy one of all humans on earth.

OK – we do have a different situation in extremely rare cases; such as Saint Paul. God chose this man Saulus, who persecuted Jesus’ people in a deadly way. But God wanted this man for His purposes, and God struck Saulus first with blindness for quite some time, and Jesus asked Saulus: Why do you persecute Me?!
Saulus recognized God, recognized Jesus, and gave Jesus the rest of his live and became St.Paul.

God does not and never turn away from people and individuals, before they turn away from God.

Now, I do hope I made myself understood. I’m at any time ready to answer any further questions by mail: Krippenfiguren at t-online.de (at= @)

**
sorry for the many mistakes in spelling and expression
(though spelling is not my fault - it’s my spelling programm
but expression - well well well…
I’m simply a bloody foreigner

 

[jon27]

Realcatholicgk:
RealcatholicI must say I commend your last piece, it exampled what seemed to be a commanding theory on my question at hand , and yes I do enjoy asking questions. It cleanses me of my ego. Something that could be practiced more often in this thread. It allows me to open my HEART to others so I may gather the diversity of
the many doctrines coming from what is suppose to be a Universal Faith.

I present questions more than ask them.

We indulge in intellectualism. We seek to find God through the mind and he is not there, hence there is contoversy over every subject we discuss. The mind is simply thought, random impulses which feed the ego into thinking what a person wants and needs to satisfy himself. This ego {the thought that my doctrine is right} is the very reason why there is such diversity in Christianity, Catholicism, or for that matter all religions.

The HEART; as certain as you are that it is a metaphor, I am that much more certain that it is not. I think we both agree it is not the organ pumping blood in your chest. The Heart is realized by the great mystics and Saints, and yes by some lay people who have been blessed by God.

The blessed monks who isolate themselves and indulge in complete selflessness, through a mindless solitude engage the Heart.

If throughout your day and for that matter the rest of your life you would repeat the name of Jesus, over and over at the exclusion of all other thought you would reign in the Heart. In having no random thought it would be impossible to sin. This is where The Kingdom of God is. This is what Christ spoke of. The Kingdom of God is not in your mind. The Holy Spirit does not dwell in the mind. For this reason man cannot grasp its Truth, because he searches for God through a tool { his mind}. The essence of Truth, which is The Christ, abides in a realm apart from the mind.
This realm is The Heart which can be found only in mentally abandoning the outside world. When all thought ceases God shows up. In doing this practice with sincere reverence you would acquire a true insight, not a doctrine or particular dogma, but an internal gate to the True Peace which is Christ.
Does all this serve itself up as a deep mystery? Certainly, but you only have to look at the abstract writings of Saint John of The Cross to know that what he was speaking of was not inspired from his mind. His Heart was in true unity with Christ thereby rendering his works unattainable to the intellect.

The Heart is real. It is more a part of you than your mind or any other entity that you think is yourself. It is who you Really Are, your TRUE SELF.

 

[jon27]

Realcatholicgk:
Realcatholic

This last question you asked of me. I am not sure what you are getting at? I am assuming, based on other sarcastic remarks you have made that this question was in the same light. If because of my frequent questions you are implying that I lack intellect my only reply is that I totally agree with you.

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**As I’m really in a terrible stress these days as on every Christmas last 40 years, as customers decide last second what figure to their crip they have to have (as Christmas appears every year when nobody expects it)

I’ll just note – also answering the member Lainey65 who in the thread THE LORDS PRAYER said: “I am not an intellectual as a lot of people who interact in these forums”.

NO!
Christianity, Christian thinking, the nearness to God, understanding of Jesus word, living in God………… is NOT subject of neither high intellect, high intellectual reason and studies.

Jesus Christ to the contrary told us, that there’s no way to heaven, if we don’t become as these little ones are (Matthew 18:3). Simply accept. Simply believe. Simply take for granted that the Word of Jesus is the pure truth. The rest, understanding, will be given out of the Lords grace to those, who believe.

Here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=260342&goto=newpost
someone gave a truly great answer to it. Though he’s referring to the Lords Prayer, his answer goes fort he rest of our life in God:

The thing about the „Our Father“ is; - it is so simple that a child can follow it and can pray it, and it is so deep that the greatest scholar will never get to the bottom of its meaning and depth. It is a prayer from God, teaching us how to pray to God!

Merry Christmas to all of you
Yours
Bruno

**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

**As I’m really in a terrible stress these days as on every Christmas last 40 years, as customers decide last second what figure to their crip they have to have (as Christmas appears every year when nobody expects it)

I’ll just note – also answering the member Lainey65 who in the thread THE LORDS PRAYER said: “I am not an intellectual as a lot of people who interact in these forums”.

NO!
Christianity, Christian thinking, the nearness to God, understanding of Jesus word, living in God………… is NOT subject of neither high intellect, high intellectual reason and studies.

Jesus Christ to the contrary told us, that there’s no way to heaven, if we don’t become as these little ones are (Matthew 18:3). Simply accept. Simply believe. Simply take for granted that the Word of Jesus is the pure truth. The rest, understanding, will be given out of the Lords grace to those, who believe.

Here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=260342&goto=newpost**
someone gave a truly great answer to it. Though he’s referring to the Lords Prayer, his answer goes fort he rest of our life in God:

Merry Christmas to all of you
Yours
Bruno

**
Hi Bruno,
Frohe/Fröhliche Weihnachten und ein gutes neues Jahr / ein gutes Neues / und ein gesundes neues Jahr / und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Realcatholic

This last question you asked of me. I am not sure what you are getting at? I am assuming, based on other sarcastic remarks you have made that this question was in the same light.

**

Hi jon,
See you do understand! It could be sarcasm, in a way. It is the “Ask a dumb questionand receive another dumb question in return” theory in action! You can call that sarcasm, I think of it as “Just desserts!”**

If because of my frequent questions you are implying that I lack intellect my only reply is that I totally agree with you.

**
Sorry jon, it is I that lacks intellect where compare with you other people on this Threat as far as intelligence goes.
But I do have “common sense” which seems to be rare! As I said I am sure that you know that the adverb “heart and soul” has nothing to do with Catholic Doctrine as much as it has to do with speaking the English language. It means: Completely; entirely. The entirety of one’s energies or affections. So why make that complicated question about nothing?

Also “do athiests have souls”? What foolishness!

A better question would be : if an athiest dies will he go anywhere since he doesn’t believe? Do you agree that is a good question?

It compares with the other foolish type things that you had asked. You actually insult the intelligence of the other people here. I can’t be insulted. I am probably the least qualified here. I do have 18 years of education. If you count the 5 years in the fifth grade and the 7 in the sixth grade!
It is the quality of your questions not the quanity! **

You said “If throughout your day and for that matter the rest of your life you would repeat the name of Jesus, over and over at the exclusion of all other thought you would reign in the Heart.”

** To that I say: “I don’t know about the heart but the other people in the Asylum would declare you their King!”

Merry Christmas

God Bless**

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**
Frohe/Fröhliche Weihnachten und ein gutes neues Jahr / ein gutes Neues / und ein gesundes neues Jahr / und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr**

**Thanks a lot and it’s clear German without any mistake
and the same to you and to all members or readers here!
and thanks to the very very nice letter I had from jon27!!!

Let’s forget all no-good words we might have given to one another, and let’s forgive all who sinned against us, as we ask in the Lords Prayer that God forgives us, as and when we did forgive those, who sinned against us.
Did we?

Let’s think of anyone we did not yet, and finally do so, to get rid of that burden that will mark our heart as not clean and not worthy to see God.

The homily surprised ALL last night in the Holy Mass a friend of ours held, a young priest. I attended that mass, together with a friend who lives in a monastery, as our son Bjoern who was murdered in 1997 was mentioned (or is it involved) in this mass.
Now - at this homily this priest said loudly down from the pulpit over the community:

Those, who did not forgive their neighbour, do not have the right to celebrate Christmas!!! To live in God means, having forgiven all who sinned against us! Ask yourself if you did! And then come to the crip and Holy Mary, Joseph and the Baby Jesus and be full of joy; for our Salvator, Jesus Christ is born! Halleluja! **

 

[apromisemade]

I really don’t know. I’ve heard of Muslims who seem to live godlier lives than many Christians. I don’t know what religion the people on Flight 93 were , yet when someone makes the choice to lay down their life for the sake of saving the innocent in such a selfless and courageous manner, I would have a hard time believing such actions would not be rewarded in heaven.

But then again, I watched an animated video enacment of the allegory “Pilgrims Progress,” and one of the central themes seemed to be that we can keep our actions as pure and just as we choose, but it is only by loving Christ that we can make our hearts truly pure and then the good deeds we do will come out of a sense of compassion and mercy, not civic duty.

Those are just the two sides. I would never presume to know who goes to heaven and who doesn’t.

 

[BarbaraTherese]

I would never presume to know who goes to heaven and who doesn’t.

… Amen…

 

[Realcatholicgk]

I really don’t know.

**
Hi Apromise,

It is good not to presume that we know the way of God. I think that in itsself is a sin!**

I’ve heard of Muslims who seem to live godlier lives than many Christians.

God is the God of all people. Jesus came that all people can be saved. They will get to heaven gased on God’s judgement, not ours!

I don’t know what religion the people on Flight 93 were , yet when someone makes the choice to lay down their life for the sake of saving the innocent in such a selfless and courageous manner, I would have a hard time believing such actions would not be rewarded in heaven. No greater love has a man then to lay down His life for His neighbor. It it worth the price that God would require? God is love, so maybe, if the person did it out of love rather than just doing it. God is the judge!
But then again, I watched an animated video enacment of the allegory “Pilgrims Progress,” and one of the central themes seemed to be that we can keep our actions as pure and just as we choose, but it is only by loving Christ that we can make our hearts truly pure and then the good deeds we do will come out of a sense of compassion and mercy, not civic duty.
That may or may not be true. Agree?
Those are just the two sides. I would never presume to know who goes to heaven and who doesn’t.

**I can tell you who in my opinion, doesn’t deserve to go to Heaven, We both would have to be on that list along with the entire Human race. But I also can only pray for God’s mercy and His justice. Prayer is the answer to all questions

Q: Who will be saved?

A: Pray!

Merry Christmas

God Bless **

 

[michael_quinlan]

The best answer I read on this thread is “I don’t know.”

However, being good, believing in Christ is good. Trust in God and hope for His Mercy.

 

[po18guy]

**The homily surprised ALL last night in the Holy Mass a friend of ours held, a young priest.

Those, who did not forgive their neighbour, do not have the right to celebrate Christmas!!! To live in God means, having forgiven all who sinned against us! Ask yourself if you did! And then come to the crip and Holy Mary, Joseph and the Baby Jesus and be full of joy; for our Salvator, Jesus Christ is born! Halleluja!**

The truth! Oh, how well we can tolerate it each time we hear it! He challenged us to have clean hearts! We need more of this. May we hear it at each mass!

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

Please moderator,
I did not get any note of all those posts and find them just now by wondering, why nothing arrived here :banghead:
What went wrong???

same goes for other threads

yours
Bruno Schulz
HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**

I would have a hard time believing such actions would not be rewarded in heaven.

Not a single Christian, really entitled to call himself Christian, would ever even think of judging anybody, in a way like this:

I would never presume to know who goes to heaven and who doesn’t.

Neither are we allowed to judge, nor did anyone here predict who would and who would not go to heaven, as we all know among other words of God, Matthew 7,1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

As Realcatholicgk pointed out

Realcatholicgk:

God is God of all people

As God created All people.

Still; how could we dare to ignore the word of Jesus Christ?! Moreover so, ignore the tremendous work of salvation and resurrection of Jesus Christ – which we would, if we’d say; is doesn’t matter which religion one belongs to.
michael quinlan:

The best answer I read on this thread is “I don’t know.”

Not best, but worse answer we ever could give is: “I don’t know”. For we do know ever so well! Yes, it’s even denying Gods word and acting just as the heathens did in Acts 7,57: „-they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him-“

Why else did Jesus teach us until we killed Him because we didn’t want to hear?! Not for the reason that we don’t know, but that we do know. And that’s what we really do and can’t deny. We do know all about God we are allowed to know and are ready to understand; we do know what’s right and wrong, we do know what we do have to believe, we do know what is the way and the life and the truth: Jesus Christ.

To say; we don’t know, would be a clear lie, for we really do know!
**

 

[po18guy]

**

Not a single Christian, really entitled to call himself Christian, would ever even think of judging anybody, in a way like this:

Neither are we allowed to judge, nor did anyone here predict who would and who would not go to heaven, as we all know among other words of God, Matthew 7,1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

As Realcatholicgk pointed out

As God created All people.

Still; how could we dare to ignore the word of Jesus Christ?! Moreover so, ignore the tremendous work of salvation and resurrection of Jesus Christ – which we would, if we’d say; is doesn’t matter which religion one belongs to.

Not best, but worse answer we ever could give is: “I don’t know”. For we do know ever so well! Yes, it’s even denying Gods word and acting just as the heathens did in Acts 7,57: „-they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him-“

Why else did Jesus teach us until we killed Him because we didn’t want to hear?! Not for the reason that we don’t know, but that we do know. And that’s what we really do and can’t deny. We do know all about God we are allowed to know and are ready to understand; we do know what’s right and wrong, we do know what we do have to believe, we do know what is the way and the life and the truth: Jesus Christ.

To say; we don’t know, would be a clear lie, for we really do know!
**

Out of fear of judging others we have also developed a fear of judging their actions. But, it is precisely their actions that must be judged, as we are all sinners and charity requires that we admonish the sinner, so as to guide him back to the path of righteousness. This is not to exalt ourselves, but to correct those whose actions are clearly wrong.

If we see a neighbor in sin and do not admonish them, then we answer for their sin as well as ours. Leviticus 19:17.

Those who reject God’s chosen path for us are clearly in sin. Now, if it is through ignorance, that may be corrected. But, scripture is clear that those who reject Christ are not on the path of righteousness.

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**There is however a huge difference between judging and to reprimand someone in a loving way.
To judge is not allowed (Matthew 7:1); to reprimand is endorsed.

Take the situation I was in in 1970 on the Vulcano Aetna. There where signs in Italian – „do not go any further“ I can’t read Italian an walked further. The ground gave way and I almost fell into the crater – stumbled „back into life“.
Now: If the Italians with me would have judged „it’s wrong what he does – we don’t either!“ it hadn’t helped me. But if they had reprimanded harshly „No! Don’t go there it’s grave!“ It would have saved me.

In 2TIM 2,25 we read: …Those who oppose Him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,…

Or let’s look into Proverbs 28:23: He who rebukes a man will in the end gain more favor than he who has a flattering tongue.

Even the Catechism teaches us in # 2447 that we must rebuke our next, to help him ot to fall into that vulcano of sin that will burn him to death. There it says „lecture“ or advising instead of reprimand: CCC # 2447 The works of mercy are charitable actions by which we come to the aid of our neighbor in his spiritual and bodily necessities. INSTRUCTING, ADVISING, consoling, comforting.

Such advice might e.g. sound as such: “It’s not enough to be good, you really have to believe in God too, for see what God has made for you - in fact, you might recognice God in anything there is.” (Saint Ignatius of Loyola)
**

 

[fhansen]

**
To say; we don’t know, would be a clear lie, for we really do know!
**

No, we DON’T know. It’s not that people don’t want to hear-some do, some don’t. It’s that plenty of people* haven’t* heard the Word or have received it in partial or corrupted form. Posters judged the monk, who loved selflessly and whose heart we couldn’t possibly know, surmising that he had to have had enough info about Jesus, for no other apparent reason than that he was a modern day Buddhist monk, to decide in favor of belief in Him. And that any love of his just had to have been ego-driven or sterile in some way-no other people in the universe can love rightly the way only Christians can. And that doesn’t square with my experience and that doesn’t even sound sensible or charitable in itself. In the end we will be judged by our love. Because love always implies faith –even if only implicitly-while faith doesn’t necessarily imply love.

I stole this from another thread:

Matthew 25 verses 31-46…Jesus’ words on who will be saved:
“The Last Judgement”
“When the Son of Man comes in all His glory, escorted by all the angels, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory. All the nations will be assembled before him and he will separate men from one another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats.
He will place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left. then the King shall say to those on his right hand,” Come you whom my Father has blessed, take for your heritage the kingdom prepared for you since the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food; I was a stranger and you made me welcome. I was thristy and you gave me drink; I was a stranger and you made me welcome; naked and you clothed me; sick and you visited me, in prison and you came to see me.

Then the virtuous will say to him in reply, "Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you; or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you hungry and feed you; or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and make you welcome; naked and clothe you; sick or in prison and go to see you?

And the King will answer, " I tell you solemnly, in so far as you did this to one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did it to me."
Next he will say to those on his left “Go away from me with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels, for when I was hungry you never gave me food; I was thirsty and you never gave me anything to drink; I was a stranger and you never made me welcome, naked and you never clothed me, sick and in prison and you never visited me.”
Then it will be their turn to ask, “Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty; a stranger or naked, sick or in prison, and not come to your help?”
Then he will answer, “I tell you solemnly, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me.” And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the virtuous to eternal life."

Are you certain that these virtuous ones consist only of believers in Christ?

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**

No, we DON’T know

Tell us, what you don’t know. The world’s huge Christian community certainly does know. If there is a thing we don’t know, than either we might ask the Church or read in the bible, or Jesus didn’t tell us, for we couldn’t bear it as we read in Joh 16,12.

It’s that plenty of people haven’t heard the Word

Oh – you mean non-Christians doesn’t know. Yes! Right. Yes you are right, that Christians as well as brethrens who never knew Jesus Christ, will be judged by our (their) love.

Those who know the Good News of Jesus but deny, will not be saved – as Jesus told us. So: We do know this out of Jesus mouth, the gospel and our encompassing knowledge about God we are taught as long as we live, and to say we don’t know would be a lie.

Are you certain

that these virtuous ones consist only of believers in Christ?

Of course not! Nobody would deny that sadly enough many Christians are not virtuous and that all virtuous - if they where true - will certainly be saved.
To be true means in that case, that they truly don’t know about Jesus and did not turn down Jesus and with Him God and the Holy Spirit – God the Holy Trinity.

But. Let’s always keep strictly in mind, that it is not and never ours to judge, for in the end God alone does this, as He told us.
But the question was: Do we know? And you claim: “No, we DON’T know”. Obviously you meant the whole humankind, I menat us Christians.

All Christians definitely DO know.
All really educated non-Christians do know too.
Through our, the Christans fault, many did not yet hear Jesus Word – which is, consists, of love only.

Those who REALLY don’t know, might well be better humans than many a Christian and more loved by God. But that’s another theme. To us Christians it’s never, and not at all enough to be good - no way.**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

**

**Hi Bruno,

Many Protestants don’t “know”! Their dogmas and doctrines clearly aren’t Jesus’ teachings and desires. They go against His church and therefore against Jesus Himself! ****

Tell us, what you don’t know. The world’s huge Christian community certainly does know. If there is a thing we don’t know, than either we might ask the Church or read in the bible, or Jesus didn’t tell us, for we couldn’t bear it as we read in Joh 16,12.

**There is no “huge Christian Community” as you state unless and except the RCC which is 1.3 Billion strong. The Protestants who protest against Jesus Himself can’t be considered “christians” in any real sense.Just like decaffeinated coffee can’t be consided Coffee in the real sense of the word! **

Oh – you mean non-Christians doesn’t know. Yes! Right. Yes you are right, that Christians as well as brethrens who never knew Jesus Christ, will be judged by our (their) love.

**I also think that is correct! I would agree people who never knew of Jesus will be judged by God’s standard for their conduct. Even savages who consume the flesh of their enemy could enter heaven if they were “justified” in their belief system! That is as it should be! **

Those who know the Good News of Jesus but deny, will not be saved – as Jesus told us. So: We do know this out of Jesus mouth, the gospel and our encompassing knowledge about God we are taught as long as we live, and to say we don’t know would be a lie.

**But, even though the majority of Protestants will be lost because of their arrogiant and presistence denial of Jesus’ teachings and their false interpretations of His desires and commandments. The ones that are closely in compliance with Jesus desires may be saved through the mercy of God and through the graces of the RCC. **

Of course not! Nobody would deny that sadly enough many Christians are not virtuous and that all virtuous - if they where true - will certainly be saved.

**To be virtuous alone will not provide salvation. There is much more than that required. **
To be true means in that case, that they truly don’t know about Jesus and did not turn down Jesus and with Him God and the Holy Spirit – God the Holy Trinity.

But. Let’s always keep strictly in mind, that it is not and never ours to judge, for in the end God alone does this, as He told us.
But the question was: Do we know? And you claim: “No, we DON’T know”. Obviously you meant the whole humankind, I meant us Christians.

**
All Christians definitely DO know. However All people who call themselves “Christians” DO NOT know! Some of them do not believe in the Trinity, In the real presence, In so many of the beliefs that “Christians” arfe support to not only “believe” but have Faith in. They are lost! They will be judged by God alone, as it should be, but If it quacks like a duck it can’t be an OWL! **

All really educated non-Christians do know too. Through our, the Christans fault, many did not yet hear Jesus Word – which is, consists, of love only.

Not really, Bruno. I myself “know” OF other Faiths. I do not “Know” that any of them are the “real” Faith. That is the measure. Do really educated non-Christians " Know" that Jesus is the REAL savior? If so do they still reject Him due to pride, etc.

Those who REALLY don’t know, might well be better humans than many a Christian and more loved by God.

** I believe that God loves all His children the same! That is what the RCC teaches.** But that’s another theme. To us Christians it’s never, and not at all enough to be good - no way.

**But it is a good start!

God Bless**