Is it ever ok to use a Protestant Bible version?

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Once I bought a Bible diguised as a Catholic version, but it listed Old Testament Scriptures as apocrypha. I got soooooo mad I threw it across the room, then chewed out the sellers of the book. I tossed it in the trash. I was sad then because it was very pretty and cost almost a week’s groceries to buy. Rubbish.

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Gail
 
I read somewhere – can’t remember where – that there might be a “Catholic” KJV either out there or “in the works”…basically taking the old KJV text, and modifying it only where it actually deviates from say the DR (i.e. the Ave Maria: “full of grace” vs “highly favoured lady” or some such).

Is this true? Anhyone heard of this?

I was just wondering, because I actually like a lot of the sound of the KJV. One of my favourite passages is the one that Linus quotes in “A Charlie Brown Christmas”: “And there were in that same country shepherds, abiding in the fields, keeping watch over their flocks by night…”
 
jfallaw said:
I think I might have heard of that. Is it the one that’s all “urban”? Like, “Yo, dig this: Jesus was rappin’ with his posse about sin…”? lol
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Actually, it uses British street slang. An adulterous wife of one of the OT prophets is called a “tart”.😃
 
Chris_LaRock said:
Actually, it uses British street slang. An adulterous wife of one of the OT prophets is called a “tart”.😃
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LOL! Hey that reminds me of a joke. It doesn’t come across in print, though, you have to use the accent. Basically a cockney is trying to decide which girl to marry, Linda, Maria, or Denise. Unable to decide, he finally goes to church, falls to his knees, and prays, “Oh Lord, which one should I 'ave??” At which point he looks up and sees a beautiful stained-glass window that says, 'Ave Maria.
 
tmac1956 said:
I am starting to collect different translations and could use some clarification. I have a KJV 1611 1st edition digital repro. that contains 80 books. My Catholic DRB (my favorite as well) has the typical 73. I realize that a few books were broken out from Daniel due to the fact that they were greek texts. However, even with that, I can’t get up to 80 books. Can you help me reconcile this?
Thanks!!!👍
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Sure, there are three books found in the appendix of the Vulgate. Those are called 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, and the Prayer of Mannaseh (sp?). Then there are the additions to Ester. And three of the additions to Daniel as separate books. That should give you seven which would make the numbers agree.

Marv
 
Is it OK to use a protestant bible version?

Well, yeah. The Revised Standard Version - 2nd Edition is the result of a collaboration between the Catholic Church and some protestant groups.

It is related (I read) to the American Standard Bible of around 1905, which is an update from the King James.

I haven’t read all the posts, but someone must have mentioned that the protestant versions have fewer books. So, you’re a “quart low” when reading a protestant version.
 
The ESV with Apocrypha is coming out the first of the year.

oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Bibles/TextReferenceBibles/?view=usa&ci=9780195289107#Product_Details

It will not just have the Catholic Books but also those the Orthodox use that the Catholics don’t.

Certainly an interesting Bible for the collector.

The English publishers, Oxford and Cambridge have other Bibles which have the Protestant Apocrypha including the three additional books the Catholic canon does not include, but as far as I know this will be the only one to include the Orthodox books.

I’m not sure if it will do anything with the differences between the Septuagint and the Massoretic like the ending of Job, I don’t think it will because I haven’t read anywhere that it will.
 
Jolly_Joe said:
The ESV with Apocrypha is coming out the first of the year.

oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Bibles/TextReferenceBibles/?view=usa&ci=9780195289107#Product_Details

It will not just have the Catholic Books but also those the Orthodox use that the Catholics don’t.

Certainly an interesting Bible for the collector.
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Ooh! I want a copy!

Up to now the only modern Bible version I know of that actually contains the other books that Catholics don’t use (such as 4 Maccabees) is the Century English Version…but I’m not much a fan of it (I don’t like Dynamic Equivalence translations that much).
 
patrick457 said:
Ooh! I want a copy!

Up to now the only modern Bible version I know of that actually contains the other books that Catholics don’t use (such as 4 Maccabees) is the Century English Version…but I’m not much a fan of it (I don’t like Dynamic Equivalence translations that much).
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I’m getting one too. I already have a pocket-size edition of the ESV I carry with me, and would like one with the deuteros.👍

Being from a Protestant background, the deuteros are like hidden treasure.😃
 
Ruthie said:
I, too, have many Bibles. Even the KJV apocrypha.
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I’m also blessed to have software that breaks both the KJV and the NASB down, inserting Strong’s numbers, so that I can look at the original Greek or Hebrew word. It’s great for studying, and debating on the internet, but my desktop is a bit unwieldy to carry around with me for those parking lot discussions… 😃
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The Greek is fine, but the dictionaries are where most of the problems are. BUT – When you find apologetics which work even with Strong’s rather vague and oversimplified/crude definitions, then you have a pearl to be sure.

I was told originally by Fr. Jim Stenge of Scappoose, that Vine’s was his preferred dictionary – so that was my introduction to KOINE (common) Greek. But, what I have found is that the exposition of many dictionaries, even supposed non-religious ones have a strong tendency to omit words and variants of words.
I simply could not translate the passages which I needed to deepen my understanding of the important doctrines of the church.

(When I listen to his homilies, I still shake my head when he talks about the Greek and misses basic things in the text. eg: In the passage about “Peter do you love(philea) me” he said that philea (Filial / friendly love) was not used by Jesus – although he was two thirds right, apparently he couldn’t parse the third time Jesus asked Peter this question.

I was shocked when – for the first time, I actually got the reason Peter exploded at Jesus – for on the third time only – Jesus parodied even Peter’s humble response! Peter answered the lesser love twice – and thereby recognized his past betrayal, But on the third go Jesus questioned even his humble response – which really must have scared Peter terribly, for Jesus obviously knew things about Peter and what if he would predict a total betrayal in the future? But, Jesus does not do so.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
I’m getting one too. I already have a pocket-size edition of the ESV I carry with me, and would like one with the deuteros.👍

Being from a Protestant background, the deuteros are like hidden treasure.😃
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That reminds me. Is there any more attempt to make a Bible translation that actually includes “the other books” that Catholics and Protestants don’t use (but which the Eastern and Oriental churches do)? For example:

3 Maccabees
4 Maccabees
1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Book of Odes
Psalms of Solomon
Book of Enoch
Book of Jubilees
2 Baruch (Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch)
4 Baruch
1, 2, and 3 Meqabyan

Not that I accept them as canonical, but merely due to professional interest. 😉
 
patrick457 said:
That reminds me. Is there any more attempt to make a Bible translation that actually includes “the other books” that Catholics and Protestants don’t use (but which the Eastern and Oriental churches do)? For example:

3 Maccabees
4 Maccabees
1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Book of Odes
Psalms of Solomon
Book of Enoch
Book of Jubilees
2 Baruch (Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch)
4 Baruch
1, 2, and 3 Meqabyan

Not that I accept them as canonical, but merely due to professional interest. 😉
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I doubt most people accept the majority of those books you cited as being Divinely inspired. But those books can be found. I’d look in secular book stores.
 
Huiou_Theou said:
(When I listen to his homilies, I still shake my head when he talks about the Greek and misses basic things in the text. eg: In the passage about “Peter do you love(philea) me” he said that philea (Filial / friendly love) was not used by Jesus – although he was two thirds right, apparently he couldn’t parse the third time Jesus asked Peter this question.

I was shocked when – for the first time, I actually got the reason Peter exploded at Jesus – for on the third time only – Jesus parodied even Peter’s humble response! Peter answered the lesser love twice – and thereby recognized his past betrayal, But on the third go Jesus questioned even his humble response – which really must have scared Peter terribly, for Jesus obviously knew things about Peter and what if he would predict a total betrayal in the future? But, Jesus does not do so.
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Sorry, it must be me, but I’m having trouble parsing your English, let alone John’s Greek. :confused:
 
patrick457 said:
That reminds me. Is there any more attempt to make a Bible translation that actually includes “the other books” that Catholics and Protestants don’t use (but which the Eastern and Oriental churches do)? For example:

3 Maccabees
4 Maccabees
1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Book of Odes
Psalms of Solomon
Book of Enoch
Book of Jubilees
2 Baruch (Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch)
4 Baruch
1, 2, and 3 Meqabyan

Not that I accept them as canonical, but merely due to professional interest. 😉
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3 & 4 Maccabees and 1 & 2 Esdras are in the Oxford RSV and NRSV with Apocrypha. I have both of those Bibles.
 
I have a book that contains “Christian Apocrypha”. The Apocolyspe of St. Peter states St. Peter was given a vision of hell.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
I’m getting one too. I already have a pocket-size edition of the ESV I carry with me, and would like one with the deuteros.👍

Being from a Protestant background, the deuteros are like hidden treasure.😃
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I recently purchased a small (miniture actually) 66 book version of the ESV with a soft leather cover published by Crossway. It has an embedded cross on the front.

I like it. It’s the first ESV I have purchased for myself. I bought the ESV study edition for my Mom and Grandmother. The study edition is filled with good info, however the doctrine is Baptist in the footnotes, which is great for them since they are Baptist anyway.
 
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