As far as paying illegal immigrants less, that is the whole reason why they get work in the first place: their inexpensive labor. If they charged the same as everyone else, they would never get the work. So it’s a lure for the employer, AND the employee. Why a lure for the employee? Because what we consider to be a few dollars goes a long way in Mexico. The American minimum wage in Mexico is a lot of money.yes they do apply if he is planning to hire an individual for longer or more frequently than regulations allow, ie. more than casual labor on a one-time basis. He will be well advised to check out the law before he considers it. I still maintain that if his intent is to pay less than the going rate for the work there could be a moral issue there.
What does “undocumented immigrant” mean?undocumented immigrant
It is a softer way of saying illegal immigrant, i.e., that lack legal documentation of entry.What does “undocumented immigrant” mean?
Ahh…so what’s a softer way of saying drunk driver since some of my family members do that after having a few too many. I’m thinking “buzzed driver.” Or “slightly drinking driver.”It is a softer way of saying illegal immigrant, i.e., that lack legal documentation of entry.
Punishment does not have to be incarceration. A fine would have the added benefit of covering what was missing in taxes.Personally, I favor an amnesty program with the payment of a fine.
As I pointed out, many of these undocumented immigrants often earn MORE than legal residents for the same work. They get the work because they can do the work, and are appreciated for their work, and concentrate upon their work . . . instead of concentrating upon their gripes and upon the supposed unfairness of the establishment and upon how everyone else is out to oppress them all the time and take away their deserved-by-birth socialist benefits.As far as paying illegal immigrants less, that is the whole reason why they get work in the first place: their inexpensive labor. If they charged the same as everyone else, they would never get the work.
Hiring another and making money are not sins, except in the Marxist mindset.The only reason that illegal immigrants are hired is to make money (take advantage) for the business owner . . .
Since I have to pay Fed,State,Local,Town,School,Property,medical taxes…I can only charge this much to make a small profit. A person who sneaked across the border and works off the books and does not pay ,ie contribute to the system can work cheaper thus putting me out of a job…I guess this is mean of me to even suggest ,dont I have any rights at all…with some here I guess not. I taught in a Catholic HS for some 30 years making something like $20,000.00 less each year then if I worked in a public school.so I am still working to pay off my debts.10 years after retiring…sorry if I feel like a victim of this outrage but dur Gomar…cant I stick up for myself and wife and children.and gran-children without such name calling…I guess not…sighThere’s an Hispanic woman, primary language Spanish, who I sometimes hire to clean my apt when it gets too messy and have no qualms whatsoever about calling her back to dust and vacuum and clean. I would never ask for her ID. (And I seriously doubt she would have any legal or obligation to comply with such a request, since I’m a private citizen - not a law enforcement professional.) That would be extremely rude and uncharitable, particularly after a ‘services rendered’ relationship has already been established.
lol, so giving these peoples jobs and a source of money keeps them in an oppressed position? I want to hear your reasoning on that. They might not make much but I am SURE they would rather be making some money than no money.We are supposed to follow the local laws. Likewise, hiring those outside those laws ultimately keeps them in an oppressed position. The oppressed are easiest to exploit. Solution is to find a way to regularize them without destroying our society in the process.
Are your children and grand children going to work these horrible jobs that these immigrants are working…for the pay they are getting? Probably not. Its not like these illegal immigrants are becoming financial analysts…they are working as farmers and dishwashers for the most part.Since I have to pay Fed,State,Local,Town,School,Property,medical taxes…I can only charge this much to make a small profit. A person who sneaked across the border and works off the books and does not pay ,ie contribute to the system can work cheaper thus putting me out of a job…I guess this is mean of me to even suggest ,dont I have any rights at all…with some here I guess not. I taught in a Catholic HS for some 30 years making something like $20,000.00 less each year then if I worked in a public school.so I am still working to pay off my debts.10 years after retiring…sorry if I feel like a victim of this outrage but dur Gomar…cant I stick up for myself and wife and children.and gran-children without such name calling…I guess not…sigh
Where I see the greatest number of immigrant workers is in the construction industry. These can be fairly high paying jobs. There are Americans who are willing to work the less than clamorous jobs mentioned, especially when the economy is slow. In a small town where I lived, the meat packing company had a reputation for its poor working conditions. I have seen the resultant injuries. If a person works for such a company, or in infamous “sweat shops,” what recourse does he/she have when debilitated due to injury, regardless of the amount of pay if that person is undocumented?Are your children and grand children going to work these horrible jobs that these immigrants are working…for the pay they are getting? Probably not. Its not like these illegal immigrants are becoming financial analysts…they are working as farmers and dishwashers for the most part.
What name-calling? I didn’t see anyone calling anyone any names. As for being a supposed ‘victim’ of undocumented immigration because you earned less at a Catholic H.S. than in a public H.S., I suppose that what one says to hapless hirelings would be different than what one says to people who purposely sacrificed for the betterment of others.…sorry if I feel like a victim of this outrage but dur Gomar…cant I stick up for myself and wife and children.and gran-children without such name calling…I guess not…sigh
…strange,I had jobs as a janitor,landscaper,worked in smelly factories as a stock boy,super markets…my children helped pay their way thru college…(all seven are college grads) some worked in lockerrooms as attendents,bars,stores,yet one reads that …golly these people invading our shores are only doing work that the soft bellied americanos just wont do…I did not realize that uncle sammy was so particular…as a kid I spent my summers picking beans on a local farm for 15cents a bushel…I know I know that was a glorly job…my co-workers were fellow African_americans,Polish ladies all dressed in black who were there before our flat bed truck pulled up and stayed till we left…somehow the establishment always makes us feel guilty to fight for our rights…we are called names just they care: I wonder why Rev.Sharpton is going to DC today…how come he is not in the congo giving protection to those raped women over there…I guess its more important to be seen on the boob tube then defending helpless women attacked by tribesmen…and they call us…heartless …go figure…There’s an Hispanic woman, primary language Spanish, who I sometimes hire to clean my apt when it gets too messy and have no qualms whatsoever about calling her back to dust and vacuum and clean. I would never ask for her ID. (And I seriously doubt she would have any legal or obligation to comply with such a request, since I’m a private citizen - not a law enforcement professional.) That would be extremely rude and uncharitable, particularly after a ‘services rendered’ relationship has already been established.
Hey amen there.of course your using logic and thus must be disciplined a mite! A person working off the books and not known to be in the country has a distinct advantage over we law abiding folks. We must pay fed,state,local,town,school,property etc taxes and thus cant work too cheap. These un-registered visitors have no such baggage and thus are hurting us where it counts…in the pocket book! They also break housing laws by being jammed into apartments and to hide that fact,come garbage pickup day they leave the bags all over town…cute trick! The hard working garbage men know this and get angry but who cares about them…american citizens big deal!Since the establishment is encouraging this exploitation of America we must ask why…why would the ruling class in washington rule in favor of open borders…what do they have to gain by this…mmmmmmNo, it’s not win/win because it is illegal, and if you were caught, money might become even tighter for you. And exactly how is it moral to deliberately break the laws of the country you are living in? Our immigration laws are not unjust laws, and there is no moral reason to break them.
This has nothing to do with the plight of illegal immigrants in this country, and everything to do with your moral obligation as a citizen of this country to abide by and uphold the laws of your country, even if it is inconvenient for you.
Unless you dragged them kicking and screaming into this country, I don’t see how it’s unethical.Likewise if a fair price for house cleaning is $50, but you want to hire someone who is willing to do it for $25 because they don’t have a green card - is that ethical for you to exploit them? Sometimes it is not easy to pay something what the job is worth, but it is still the right thing to do.
If they’re in California, Cal-OSHA.I grew up working agricultural, construction, and assembly line work.
In Ag work I was paid the going rate - or at least the going rate for citizens minimum wage. How is someone being exploited when you are hiring them, well in this case it was by hiring them for what was less than minimum wage.
When I moved to construction work, again I was paid pretty much going rate - in this case I had a bonus of $2 over minimum. We also had protection of working conditions, and were paid overtime. Where are the illegals going to complain when they have unsafe working conditions?
Workers’ Compensation insurance has to cover the injury of anyone hurt while at work, period. Unemployment, I don’t know.Who is covering their unemployment and workers comp insurance?
In California, they better. Anyone can file a complaint with the Division of Labor Standards Enforcement for unpaid wages.Do you honestly think they are getting paid overtime for the 14hr days they are working?
Actually, even under Cal-OSHA’s Heat Illness Prevention Standard (T8CCR §3395), I believe that because there was access to water (your house), they weren’t obligated to leave a cooler. Still, it would have been better for them to have provided them with sufficient water without assuming that you’d provide them with water (I’m not sure, but I think the hose outlet–NOT the hose–would be okay…it’s supposed to be from the same as your indoor plumbing, so it’s potable).I hired a company a few years ago to replace my roof (I did roof work when I was in construction). The company did not even leave a cooler of water for those poor workers. Why, because there were plenty more waiting for the job. Had I known the contractor was doing that I would have never hired him - I would have much rather paid 20% more for that roof.