Is it immoral to want to live in a Vatican Theocracy?

[Hume]

Life expectancy is only higher due to one thing: infant mortality rates.

Not true. In the middle ages the average life expectancy of someone who made it to 25 was their 50s.

Franklin died at 84, Washington at 67 (avoidable, and democracy did not save him), Henry at 67, Adams at 90, Jefferson at 83, Madison at 83

All wealthy men.

We see really no increase in life expectancy from the end of the middle ages

Only about 20 years or so.

But you’re right in that the biggest jump has been in the last 50 years or so. This also coincided with the vague boogeyman of “modernism” so many seem to be afraid of.

The average education increased in that time as well. Honestly, that’s probably your biggest problem. Religious devotion and education are often oil and water.

 

[Hume]

As for international borders. How many international borders changed around 1918? 1945? I count 28 major events changing borders, uniting, separating, or abolishing entire nations since the end of WW2. And the majority of that time was spent with two superpowers having shaky fingers on the triggers to blow up the entire world. And governments changing every couple of years even without internal conflict to drive it. That’s not stable. That’s bipolar if I’ve ever seen it.

Sure, that’s the last time there were major shifts in the west.

Like it or not, it’s an absolute fact to say that western borders have been more fixed in the last 70 years than at any other time in its history.

Really, not just the west - the world. The nuclear age largely froze borders.

 

[AlbMagno]

Religious devotion and education are often oil and water

I disagree. The Middle Ages, your bogeyman, proves otherwise.

 

[Hume]

Hume:

Religious devotion and education are often oil and water

I disagree. The Middle Ages, your bogeyman, proves otherwise.

Not a boogeyman to me. I’m just acknowledging that it was a violent time and place to be alive.

Make a lord or bishop mad - get killed.
Let the rats get too numerous and the plague shows up - get killed.
Live in an area near a border when wars were much more common - get killed.

We’ve progressed. No more, no less.

 

[AlbMagno]

That’s a partial view of history.

 

[Hume]

All religious groups fantasize about their group monolithically running the show.

It’s always a nightmare stuffed with in-fighting.

The Ottoman Caliphs with constant rebellion, the Western Schism…

The temporal paradise you seek is not realizable.

 

[EndTimes]

I think the most ideal form of government would be that where Catholic values are instilled and lead by the Vatican. I realize the Pope’s role is to lead the faithful to eternal salvation on the largest scale and not to run a government, but is there a way for a theocracy to be possible?

The only actual THEO-cracy - must contain the actual THEO…
of which the pope / Vatican - can in no attempted manner
be considered congruent with God Himself -
by, for example, even within Catholicism…

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[JanR]

Believe me, you do NOT want to live under a theocracy as a government! Just look at countries whose people have to. Like Iran, for instance, where the Mullahs run everything, or Saudi Arabia. No freedoms, especially for women, barbaric punishments, unjust court systems – you would NOT want clergy of any religion to have absolute power over an entire nation.

Treasure the freedoms you have, and practice your religion as a matter of free will, NOT because you’re forced to adhere to it.

We have separation of church and state to guard against governmental theocracies.

 

[EndTimes]

Believe me, you do NOT want to live under a theocracy as a government!

IF THEO is the King - I don’t believe that…