Is it insulting to invite Catholics to my Episcopalian confirmation?

[HopkinsReb]

Methinks it’s the poster’s way of suggesting that OP join the Ordinariate instead of being Episcopalian, as he could then be assured of the validity of his bishop’s ordination.

 

[prayerrider]

Also there’s Bishop Harry Entwhistle and Msgr. Keith Newton, Ordinary.
In other words, they are the only “Anglo-Catholic” ordinaries with valid Apostolic Succession.

 

[HopkinsReb]

In other words, they are the only “Anglo-Catholic” ordinaries with valid Apostolic Succession.

You’re probably wrong about that, even accepting Apostolica Curae. @GKMotley could explain better, but things have happened since that was promulgated.

 

[prayerrider]

I did, yep. Last winter.

 

[GKMotley]

And methinks you are right, in your methinking.

 

[prayerrider]

Is Apostolica Curae overturned?

 

[GKMotley]

Nah. Let it ride. Sometimes even I get tired. And there’s these taxes.

 

[GKMotley]

Of course not.

 

[JMMJ]

This is basic Catholic teaching. It is not up for debate

I stand corrected with regards to the Catechism, but I still stand by my statement that it isn’t Church teaching. I have heard bishops, and all the way down, teach that people outside of the Church, as well as fallen away Catholics have a path to Heaven. We are all at God’s mercy.

 

[HopkinsReb]

Is Apostolica Curae overturned?

Apostolica Curae addresses the situation at the time it was written.

Alas, Sir Motley doesn’t feel like explaining, and I can’t explain nearly as well. Short version, there’s been some intermingling between parts of the Anglican Church and schismatic Catholics since it was promulgated.

 

[prayerrider]

I’m familiar with the “Old Catholic” claims. Their offshoots also, with few exceptions, have bishopesses and priestesses, just like TEC. No doubt these women would argue that they have valid Apostolic Succession.

 

[GKMotley]

Very short version, that.

But here’s an even shorter one. Apostolicae Curae (the long, sad history of which being one of those things I get to append "a hobby of mine for many, many years"to), is what any RC should affirm, with respect to Anglican orders, at the appropriate level of theological certainty. Anglicans get to say other things, as to the matter (and the form and the intent).

Hmm. Not shorter, at that.

 

[HopkinsReb]

I’m not making the general case. I’m stating that there’s probably the odd Anglican-ordained priest or bishop whose ordination would be valid but illicit in Rome’s eyes.

I’m neither arguing for nor against Anglicanism, as I’m undecided as to my future right now. Just stating that it’s a little fuzzier now than it was in the 1890s.

 

[GKMotley]

Depends on which ones you are thinking of. All sorts of Anglicans around. There’s a word for that.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I stand corrected with regards to the Catechism, but I still stand by my statement that it isn’t Church teaching. I have heard bishops, and all the way down, teach that people outside of the Church, as well as fallen away Catholics have a path to Heaven. We are all at God’s mercy.

This, what you just said here, is correct, and is also in accordance with the Catechism.

However, you saying that “Outside the Church there is no salvation” is not Church teaching is incorrect. The Church has always taught that and still does. It is possible for people of other faiths, including non-Christian people, to be in communion with the Church in a variety of ways, including but not limited to Trinitarian baptism or even a shared belief in the God of Abraham. A fallen-away Catholic also is in communion with the Church at least to the extent he was baptized a Catholic, which is the minimum requirement to call yourself Catholic.

Perhaps this seems like a fine point, but it is an important point. Otherwise, Catholics could just go off and seek their salvation through any ol’ church they liked, or perhaps under a tree somewhere.

 

[GKMotley]

There certainly was, on two occasions, in the past 50-60 years, at least.

 

[prayerrider]

Well if it helps your decision at all, you can come into the RCC and then join the OCSP, if you’re American. Even if there’s no parish near you. I forget the Latin term, I’d have to find my acceptance letter. It’s full membership, though.
I do hope to assist at an Ordinariate Mass this year. I understand they’re lovely and quite “traditional.” There’s a couple of FB groups that are quite friendly and helpful.

 

[nunsense]

No no, I’m being received. They said since I had a valid confirmation, that I don’t need to be re-confirmed.

A Presbyterian in my confirmation class is getting re-confirmed though since the Presbyterian understanding of the sacrament is different than the Catholic or Episcopal understanding.

You must have realized, having been a Catholic yourself, that posting about your reception into the Episcopalian church would generate a storm of replies that think you are making a big mistake. I point this out because this is how some of your relatives and friends are going to feel when you invite them. I agree with a previous poster who said that you should be sure to let them know that you won’t be offended if they decide it would be against their conscience to attend.

That being said, have a wonderful day and I hope your family and friends can support you in your choice to make the day a nice event.

 

[GKMotley]

They are quite lovely, and could be even more traditional, if their bones didn’t have so much of the Episcopal 1979 prayer book, Rite II in them.

 

[prayerrider]

I was in ACA for a time. I chafed at the low church stuff. Since I was already a baptized and confirmed Catholic when I came back I simply went to Confession, recanted, and have been assisting at RCC Mass ever since. Not having an Ordinariate parish within 300+ miles, I prefer TLM, but there are a couple of closer parishes that are more reverent in OF as well.