Is it ludicrous to think that the world will remain Capitalistic?

[dshix]

Are you suggesting that society be run by idiots? When Christ returns, there will be perfect order, but until then we need to do the best we can utilizing experts.

Heh. You really don’t get it, do you?

The “experts,” as you call them, are the real idiots. Why? Because they are the elitists. They are the narcissist, elitist, selfish, greedy, powermonger idiots which destroy any country which hands itself over to the all-knowing “experts.”

 

[Robert_Sock]

Heh. You really don’t get it, do you?

The “experts,” as you call them, are the real idiots. Why? Because they are the elitists. They are the narcissist, elitist, selfish, greedy, powermonger idiots which destroy any country which hands itself over to the all-knowing “experts.”

How is it that the world has over 7 billion people and has never crashed into oblivion? How is it that our world has progressed to the EXTREME degree that it has over the past 150 years? Surely the people in power need to be commended. HINT: The world cannot control itself! Something guides us, be it God or the experts.

 

[frobert]

I think that this article fits in here:

The Erosion of Community
We’re losing the bonds that once made our society thrive

In our current system, the impersonal state replaces the material value created by participating in community with direct payments of cash; there is no need to invest the time and energy needed to cooperate with others once the state provides the basics of life.

The aimless armies of unemployed people receive just enough from the state to eliminate the incentive to rebel. But this does not fill the gap left by the destruction of community with anything positive or fulfilling. It simply maintains the void via bribery.

The notion that corporations pursuing maximization of return on capital for their shareholders can organize society to benefit everyone is nonsensical. How could organizations dedicated to reaping profits meet community needs that cannot necessarily be commoditized for a profit?

Note 1: The second part of the article is behind a pay wall but 1st part stands on its own.
Note 2. PeakProsterity.com is a non-political site, meaning it has no axes to grind.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

I would say that we ought not judge the economic systems in respect to the deaths of innocent people. Remember that 9,500 innocent children die each and every day due to starvation and we in the West turn a blind eye to it. What a crime against humanity we all are committing. Is this LOVE? Is this justice? Our inactions reduce us lower than worms!

Robert -you forget to look at WHERE those 9,500 innocent children live, and what kind of politico-economic system they live (and die) in. Most are in socialist/communist/fascist areas without much of a free market.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Robert -you forget to look at WHERE those 9,500 innocent children live, and what kind of politico-economic system they live (and die) in. Most are in socialist/communist/fascist areas without much of a free market.

It’s a hideous crime against humanity!!! Ask yourself: What are we doing to try and correct these types of atrocities? The masses of people are unaware of the severity. Why? Few mention it. Why? It’s not just their political and economic system, it’s that the world has been silenced!

 

[dshix]

How is it that the world has over 7 billion people and has never crashed into oblivion? How is it that our world has progressed to the EXTREME degree that it has over the past 150 years? Surely the people in power need to be commended. HINT: The world cannot control itself! Something guides us, be it God or the experts.

Uh, no, you’ve got it exactly backwards. That’s the point. The world doesn’t need “experts” to function properly.

I suggest you define what you mean by the “experts” so you can be taken seriously.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Uh, no, you’ve got it exactly backwards. That’s the point. The world doesn’t need “experts” to function properly.

I suggest you define what you mean by the “experts” so you can be taken seriously.

Noun: expert

1. A person with special knowledge or ability who performs skillfully

Adjective: expert

1. Having or showing knowledge and skill and aptitude
2. Of or relating to or requiring special knowledge to be understood

[WordWeb.info]

 

[Boatswain2PA]

It’s a hideous crime against humanity!!! Ask yourself: What are we doing to try and correct these types of atrocities? The masses of people are unaware of the severity. Why? Few mention it. Why? It’s not just their political and economic system, it’s that the world has been silenced!

What are we doing to try to correct these types of atrocities?

The free-market, freedom loving people of the world sends enormous donations to the starving of the world.

Meanwhile the socialist/communist/marxist “elites”, whom you want to give kudos to, continue to CAUSE the problem.

Now, try to answer the question I asked…WHERE are these 9500 children living?

 

[dshix]

Noun: expert

1. A person with special knowledge or ability who performs skillfully

Adjective: expert

1. Having or showing knowledge and skill and aptitude
2. Of or relating to or requiring special knowledge to be understood

[WordWeb.info]

Ok, good.

I contend that there is no such thing as a person who is an expert at human government. No person can possibly make all perfect laws, all perfect decisions, all correct analyses.

There is no such thing as a nation that can be run by the “experts”. Every nation must be run by the people, according to the natural order of freedom. Experts may certainly be employed to do certain duties, but to entrust all power and authority to a small quantity of people, with few or no limitations, is a recipe for disaster.

This is why communism and socialism are so dangerous and destructive. They place power into the hands of a few who claim they knew exactly what to do to care for everyone, and, even if they have pure intentions, it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to actually do so.

 

[CrossofChrist]

Again, GREED, POWER and PRESTIGE are measured on a continuum. Every economic system will have these attributes to some degree, but capitalism will actually breed these attributes and they will become very problematic. We need to design an economic system that reduces these attributes as much as possible.

Society should be run by experts, and safeguards need to be built in that limit negative attributes from forming.

Experts eh? We tried that in Soviet Russia. Tell me how that turned out…

 

[Robert_Sock]

Ok, good.

I contend that there is no such thing as a person who is an expert at human government. No person can possibly make all perfect laws, all perfect decisions, all correct analyses.

There is no such thing as a nation that can be run by the “experts”. Every nation must be run by the people, according to the natural order of freedom. Experts may certainly be employed to do certain duties, but to entrust all power and authority to a small quantity of people, with few or no limitations, is a recipe for disaster.

This is why communism and socialism are so dangerous and destructive. They place power into the hands of a few who claim they knew exactly what to do to care for everyone, and, even if they have pure intentions, it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to actually do so.

No, government needs to tap into the knowledge from true experts in a vast number of disciplines such as economics, environmental studies, psychologists and sociologists, biologists, physicists, etc etc. Truly a central intelligence!

 

[dshix]

No, government needs to tap into the knowledge from true experts in a vast number of disciplines such as economics, environmental studies, psychologists and sociologists, biologists, physicists, etc etc. Truly a central intelligence!

And what country in the history of the world has succeeded in doing that, effectively making a perfect government? Name the country, please.

 

[Robert_Sock]

And what country in the history of the world has succeeded in doing that, effectively making a perfect government? Name the country, please.

Who said we need a real-life model of such a government?

What does the CIA really do? Hint: they recruit a lot from within academia (I have a PhD in psychology and I used to read the large number of advertisements from the student newspaper)

 

[Boatswain2PA]

And what country in the history of the world has succeeded in doing that, effectively making a perfect government? Name the country, please.

Good luck getting an answer. Those who advocate communism/socialism/marxism can seldomly be pinned down to specific, concrete answers that require examples and FACTS. Instead they rely on their intense personal feelings like “9500 kids a day are DIEING, so capitalism must be bad!!!”

 

[dshix]

Who said we need a real-life model of such a government?

What does the CIA really do? Hint: they recruit a lot from within academia (I have a PhD in psychology and I used to read the large number of advertisements from the student newspaper)

So you can’t name one. Mhmm.

If you are going to push forward an agenda, claiming that a particular ideology or form of government is going to work, well, you better give examples of such a working system. If you can’t provide a SINGLE dang example of your “perfect” system, I conclude that it doesn’t exist.

And I hope everyone else who reads this thread will conclude the same.

Good luck getting an answer. Those who advocate communism/socialism/marxism can seldomly be pinned down to specific, concrete answers that require examples and FACTS. Instead they rely on their intense personal feelings like “9500 kids a day are DIEING, so capitalism must be bad!!!”

Precisely.

 

[HappyCatholic01]

Is Greece’s failure at socialism due to the ill effects of socialism per se, or is it that Greece’s socialism must compete in an otherwise capitalistic Western world?

How convenient for you.

When a society fails its people because of greed or corruption in its capitalist system, you blame capitalism.

When a society fails because of untenable promises and obligations born out of its socialist system, you blame capitalism.

When your tummy hurts, do you blame capitalism?

Setting aside for a moment the Church has already spoken out in the Catechism against socialism, and assuming we all agree that greed can destroy even the best capitalist dreams, can you not see that you are making the point for the other poster who told you socialism is a system that requirements enforcement and mandate to even exist.

You are saying socialism in Greece would have worked, if only the other governments had been FORCED to compete on the same playing field and abandon their diverse economies.

How can you not see that ANY system that requires this sort of heavy handed mandate to even survive will always be doomed for failure?

 

[Robert_Sock]

So you can’t name one. Mhmm.

If you are going to push forward an agenda, claiming that a particular ideology or form of government is going to work, well, you better give examples of such a working system. If you can’t provide a SINGLE dang example of your “perfect” system, I conclude that it doesn’t exist.

And I hope everyone else who reads this thread will conclude the same.

Precisely.

Who said we need a real-life model of such a government?

 

[Robert_Sock]

Good luck getting an answer. Those who advocate communism/socialism/marxism can seldomly be pinned down to specific, concrete answers that require examples and FACTS. Instead they rely on their intense personal feelings like “9500 kids a day are DIEING, so capitalism must be bad!!!”

 

[frobert]

Good luck getting an answer. Those who advocate communism/socialism/marxism can seldomly be pinned down to specific, concrete answers that require examples and FACTS. Instead they rely on their intense personal feelings like “9500 kids a day are DIEING, so capitalism must be bad!!!”

Capitalism in and of itself is not evil. It becomes evil when the capitalists become so powerful that the control the government. A democratic government looses control when the capitalist are able to through various means control elected government representatives.

If you want an idea where the US is look the up the stages of anacyclosis which has repeated itself throughout history. History does not necessarily repeat itself but it does rhyme

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Capitalism in and of itself is not evil. It becomes evil when the capitalists become so powerful that the control the government. A democratic government looses control when the capitalist are able to through various means control elected government representatives.

If you want an idea where the US is look the up the stages of anacyclosis which has repeated itself throughout history. History does not necessarily repeat itself but it does rhyme

A democratic government will always lose control. That is the problem in the US. Our constitution created a Republic, not a Democracy. Democracies always fail once people realize they can vote themselves government incentives.

Of course, the socialists use this human condition to bring themselves into power by promising people free health care, free housing, unemployment, etc. This is how a democratic government looses control to socialists every time!