Is it ok for a priest to ask a separated woman of the same age (mid 30's) to go out to dinner or to a movie?

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The priests actions/behavior is inappropriate whether he is aware of it or not. Inserting one’s self into social situations demonstrates a lack of self-awareness and social conventions.

This priest needs to find some brother-priests to socialize with if he is wanting to “relax and hang out” with someone.

His interactions with the OP have crossed many boundaries and is inappropriate. Unfortunately, because this priest doesn’t seem to be aware of this it will be up to the OP to set the boundaries and enforce them.

Uncomfortable situation for the OP for sure!
 
Do priests receive reminders from bishops re. potential problem situations such as this? Do seminarians receive instruction on compromising situations, or how not to cause scandal? Because I’m thinking these things should be handled every so often by the bishop’s office.

I have a Protestant friend and she told me their ministers receive instructions on keeping boundaries and profile problematic parishioners. Are we doing same?
 
I am Catholic woman, separated for two years, and I have a friend, same age (mid 30’s) who is a Catholic Priest. He often sends me trivial texts throughout the day, and asks me to dinner and movies on a regular basis. Sometimes several times in a single week. I keep declining the movie offers, but have meet for dinner or lunch on occasion. Should I be concerned about this behavior or is this acceptable for a priest? Also is it acceptable for me to join him for dinner or movie? What is the position of the church on this?

Another recent example, Just this week I had some female friends visit from out of town and once he found out where we were going, he ended up tagging along with us to a late dinner (10pm) at a high end restaurant immediately after their arrival. Not much time alone with them to catch up before he was in the picture. The next day, my friends and I traveled to a beach resort about an hour away. He had been texting throughout the day and once he knew which resort we were staying at he asked if it would be ok for him to come there too. It was after this that I really started to get annoyed at his texting and behavior. It seems innocent, as if he just wants to hang out as friends, our conversations when we do talk are never romantic, usually trivial stuff, about work, and sometimes my personal life and situation with my family. I have no romantic feelings or interest in him in any way. Just starting to wonder if he has other motives as it is becoming a bit much at this point. What should I do on my end? I know there are a lot of questions, but I am starting to get a little confused by his actions.
While the texts may appear to be innocent, he really is playing with fire here. It is not appropriate for him to be attaching himself to you like this. I’d be concerned, as well. I’m not really sure what you should do, but maybe you could change your number? You don’t want to be disrespectful but you need to find a way to stop the constant communication.
 
Do priests receive reminders from bishops re. potential problem situations such as this? Do seminarians receive instruction on compromising situations, or how not to cause scandal? Because I’m thinking these things should be handled every so often by the bishop’s office.

I have a Protestant friend and she told me their ministers receive instructions on keeping boundaries and profile problematic parishioners. Are we doing same?
Yes, seminaries focus on boundaries and healthy relationships. As to “how not to cause scandal” that’s a pretty relative issue that hard and fast rules don’t always fit into and thus common sense needs to prevail.
 
OK, lots going on here. I do think its possible for a priest to be friends with a woman and to interact socially with her. If there was a movie that both I and a personal friend of mine’s wife wanted to see but no one else did, I’d have no problem going to the movie with her and neither would her husband. We’ve all known each other for almost 25 years and nothing even bordering on temptation is going to happen. However, those are personal friends that I’ve had for a long time. A female parishioner is another story. Even if I had no interest in a female parishioner I wouldn’t want her or her husband/boyfriend or anyone else to ever get the wrong impression so I find its best to just avoid those situations all together.

As to your particular situation, it seems at the very least this priest needs some better social skills. People shouldn’t invite themselves along to other people’s events. I think you need to draw some boundaries, and fast. A simple reply of, “Well I didn’t organize the get together and I don’t feel comfortable bringing along someone that the others might not feel comfortable with…” should suffice. This may all be an innocent matter of someone not knowing social boundaries but unless you start drawing some and sticking to them its only going to get worse.

I don’t know the context in which you have gotten to know each other but unless its outside of a ministerial setting then this friendship really needs to be reigned in and reset.
This is a very interesting comment. A Franciscan friar had a conversation with my son and he shared some details about the differences between religious men and secular priests. He said that a religious man should really form a friendship bond within the community and he should become detached from the friends that he had before. He also added that a secular priest should only have the friends that he had before ordination and should not pursue new friendships. The friar did not have the time to elaborate on the reasons for such a statement so I assumed that in the case of secular priests it was a common rule of thumb for priestly behaviors that is generally observed.
 
This is a very interesting comment. A Franciscan friar had a conversation with my son and he shared some details about the differences between religious men and secular priests. He said that a religious man should really form a friendship bond within the community and he should become detached from the friends that he had before. He also added that a secular priest should only have the friends that he had before ordination and should not pursue new friendships. The friar did not have the time to elaborate on the reasons for such a statement so I assumed that in the case of secular priests it was a common rule of thumb for priestly behaviors that is generally observed.
Well, I wouldn’t say that a secular priest shouldn’t pursue new friendships. However the priest needs to be aware that “real” friends are not easily made if you meet them through a ministerial setting. When someone sees you as a role and not as just another person then you don’t have a relationship of equal footing.
 
Yes, seminaries focus on boundaries and healthy relationships. As to “how not to cause scandal” that’s a pretty relative issue that hard and fast rules don’t always fit into and thus common sense needs to prevail.
Thank you Father for answering. Appreciate it.

Hopefully, other priests read these boards. 👍
 
Another thought: I do not know if the priest in OP’s description is from another country; perhaps he’s not as well versed in our culture and maintaining space?? Just a thought…thank you Father (newenglandpriest) for your explanations. I wonder if this priest is too isolated in his parish that may be leading him to seek human interaction in the wrong ways.
 
Well, I wouldn’t say that a secular priest shouldn’t pursue new friendships. However the priest needs to be aware that “real” friends are not easily made if you meet them through a ministerial setting. When someone sees you as a role and not as just another person then you don’t have a relationship of equal footing.
Thanks for the reply. I am glad to see that it supports what I was guessing, I like to think that I am right. 😃
 
Well, I wouldn’t say that a secular priest shouldn’t pursue new friendships. However the priest needs to be aware that “real” friends are not easily made if you meet them through a ministerial setting. When someone sees you as a role and not as just another person then you don’t have a relationship of equal footing.
Thank you for that observation, Father: I was thinking along the same lines myself, but didn’t really know how to express it. Obviously, a priest has some status as a sort of authority figure, especially if the association is made in the context of a ministerial setting. I was thinking that the same sort of idea would apply if the OP was receiving some sort of support or counseling from a lay person, such as a social worker, who then pursued the association beyond the boundaries of the professional relationship.

I’m of the thought that men and women can have platonic relationships that are mutually edifying, and there are plenty of examples among the saints of this (Francis of Assisi and Clare, Francis DeSales and Jane de Chantal come immediately to mind.) However, they can be difficult to negotiate intelligently and chastely, and I don’t think there are all that many people who are that sophisticated. In other words, there are probably a lot more people of general good sense and good will who can easily and naively let a situation get completely out of hand. So while I’m not necessarily seeing enough red flags in this situation to make me think the OP is in Tiennemen Square, there definitely are a few flashing amber lights.
 
Well, I wouldn’t say that a secular priest shouldn’t pursue new friendships. However the priest needs to be aware that “real” friends are not easily made if you meet them through a ministerial setting. When someone sees you as a role and not as just another person then you don’t have a relationship of equal footing.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the phrase “equal footing”. As an administrative assistant, I am often called on to speak on behalf of my boss. Sometimes these conversations are requests for tasks to be completed, or even sometimes relaying negative information. My co-worker may be higher up on the org chart, but if my boss needs me to go and ask him for a report, it is part of his duty to do his report. Because of this dynamic, I’ve never made a lot of friends at work. My friendships have always been outside of that dynamic, because I don’t want to jeopardize the ability to speak on behalf of my boss because I’m too chummy with a co-worker.

I have to have that same level of detachment with one of the priests at my parish. He and I are within a couple of years of each other, and we have a very similar disposition (dark sense of humor, a certain set of cultural references, etc), and a very similar spirituality. I feel confident that in another situation, we would have had a much different friendship.

That being said, he is my confessor. He hears the nastiness of my soul, and absolves me of my sins. I need to be able to tell him the pain in my heart, the temptations with which I struggle, and the falls I take in God’s eyes, without pride or fear of jeopardizing a relationship outside of the confessional doors. He is also my spiritual director, and as a Third Order Secular Carmelite aspirant, this is a very important role in my life. For my spiritual health, I need his spiritual friendship, as St. Teresa of Avila teaches, as a support and guide in my walk towards God. I need him to stay in that role of leader, of superior, of Father. I need him to keep his eyes on God and to treat me with detachment as a child of God for whose soul he is held responsible. I need my priest to be able to speak on behalf of his “boss”, so that I know what to do for the sanctity of my own soul.

His hands have been consecrated to God. He is as sacred as the chalice used to elevate the precious blood, and belongs to God and to God alone. I often reflect on the words of Msr. Ronald Knox - “A young candidate at ordination is prostrate on the floor, waiting like a dead thing for the Holy Spirit to come and quicken him into a new form of life.” When Father took those vows and was given the priesthood of God, he no longer belonged to any part of the world. Without the saving grace of confession, my soul would be dead, and I owe that grace to the power that God gave my priest. My priest whispers words over a piece of bread, and that bread becomes a man and that man is God, and then my priest places God on my tongue and I receive His body, blood, soul, and divinity into my soul.

When I turn my thoughts away from my own desire for friendship and companionship and spend time reflecting on the sanctity of the Holy Priesthood, it puts things into a much bigger perspective. Reflecting on the sublime vocation of the priesthood makes me almost weep with joy that a man would do that for others, to give himself entirely to the will of God for the sanctity of souls. The closer he becomes to God, the more graces will pour off of his altar during Mass. The more sanctified he is, the more souls he can save, and the more God will be loved. To take Father’s eyes off of God for even one instant to give myself any kind of creature comforts is a thought that strikes me with horror. I pray so often for all priests, for their sanctity and for their protection. I’ve heard it said that for every temptation that I have as a mere Catholic, a priest has a hundred. I cannot even imagine the battles that are fought behind that Roman collar. I have faith that God will give the priest what he needs to become sanctified, and may even take away all friendships and worldly consolations to purify and sanctify his soul, so that he can be truly alone with his Treasure.
 
I think you hit the nail on the head with the phrase “equal footing”. As an administrative assistant, I am often called on to speak on behalf of my boss. Sometimes these conversations are requests for tasks to be completed, or even sometimes relaying negative information. My co-worker may be higher up on the org chart, but if my boss needs me to go and ask him for a report, it is part of his duty to do his report. Because of this dynamic, I’ve never made a lot of friends at work. My friendships have always been outside of that dynamic, because I don’t want to jeopardize the ability to speak on behalf of my boss because I’m too chummy with a co-worker.

I have to have that same level of detachment with one of the priests at my parish. He and I are within a couple of years of each other, and we have a very similar disposition (dark sense of humor, a certain set of cultural references, etc), and a very similar spirituality. I feel confident that in another situation, we would have had a much different friendship.

That being said, he is my confessor. He hears the nastiness of my soul, and absolves me of my sins. I need to be able to tell him the pain in my heart, the temptations with which I struggle, and the falls I take in God’s eyes, without pride or fear of jeopardizing a relationship outside of the confessional doors. He is also my spiritual director, and as a Third Order Secular Carmelite aspirant, this is a very important role in my life. For my spiritual health, I need his spiritual friendship, as St. Teresa of Avila teaches, as a support and guide in my walk towards God. I need him to stay in that role of leader, of superior, of Father. I need him to keep his eyes on God and to treat me with detachment as a child of God for whose soul he is held responsible. I need my priest to be able to speak on behalf of his “boss”, so that I know what to do for the sanctity of my own soul.

His hands have been consecrated to God. He is as sacred as the chalice used to elevate the precious blood, and belongs to God and to God alone. I often reflect on the words of Msr. Ronald Knox - “A young candidate at ordination is prostrate on the floor, waiting like a dead thing for the Holy Spirit to come and quicken him into a new form of life.” When Father took those vows and was given the priesthood of God, he no longer belonged to any part of the world. Without the saving grace of confession, my soul would be dead, and I owe that grace to the power that God gave my priest. My priest whispers words over a piece of bread, and that bread becomes a man and that man is God, and then my priest places God on my tongue and I receive His body, blood, soul, and divinity into my soul.

When I turn my thoughts away from my own desire for friendship and companionship and spend time reflecting on the sanctity of the Holy Priesthood, it puts things into a much bigger perspective. Reflecting on the sublime vocation of the priesthood makes me almost weep with joy that a man would do that for others, to give himself entirely to the will of God for the sanctity of souls. The closer he becomes to God, the more graces will pour off of his altar during Mass. The more sanctified he is, the more souls he can save, and the more God will be loved. To take Father’s eyes off of God for even one instant to give myself any kind of creature comforts is a thought that strikes me with horror. I pray so often for all priests, for their sanctity and for their protection. I’ve heard it said that for every temptation that I have as a mere Catholic, a priest has a hundred. I cannot even imagine the battles that are fought behind that Roman collar. I have faith that God will give the priest what he needs to become sanctified, and may even take away all friendships and worldly consolations to purify and sanctify his soul, so that he can be truly alone with his Treasure.
Wow. This is beautiful. It gave me the chills.

Thank you for this.
 
What would you consider his behavior if he were not a priest? He needs counseling before he gets himself into trouble. “Showing up” uninvited when you are out with your friends is more than just a bit of loneliness.
 
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