Is it ok to advocate or agitate for women's ordination?

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Ah yes. Johannes wijngaards. A former priest who actually wrote a very good book entitled Handbook to the Gospels. However, he later lost his mind, opposed Pope Saint John Paul II’s letter (Ordinatio Sacrerdotalis) and was eventually laicized.
 
There are fathers and there are mothers. Why would women want to be both mother and father? Men are not agitating to become religious sisters.

In truth, I think that at some level, they are very uncomfortable with who and what they are. That is a problem with they have with God.

There already is a ‘church’ for them - they need only switch over.
 
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People are always going to excerpt their gnostic agenda’s against Church authority. Pope Francis pays no mind to them. But he genuinely thinks that there is a place for discussing other roles for women in the Church.
 
If the Pope has called for a commission, how about you just let him and the commission study the issue and get back to us then?

No need to “agitate” about it (The commission could not care less about that stuff. They aren’t elected officials) or jump on any bandwagon being pushed by the National Catholic Distorter.

But thank you for reminding me that the silver lining of not having an Easter Vigil at the Cathedral this year to attend is that I don’t have to come out in the wee hours of the morning to see some group demonstrating across the street with “Women Priests Now” signs, getting filmed by the local TV stations that come out ostensibly to cover the Vigil, when all those people should be in the church celebrating Christ’s resurrection, not out in the park trying to get attention on the holiest night of the year.
 
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The prime mover behind last year’s Amazon Synod was Erwin Kräutler, who was for many years the bishop (now bishop emeritus) of Xingu in the Amazon region in Brazil. He campaigned strenuously, for years on end, both for women and for married men to be ordained priests, to meet the need for bringing the Eucharist to the scattered communities in his vast, sparsely populated prelature. Under Benedict XVI he realized he was getting nowhere, but when Francis was elected he renewed his campaign, believing he might now get a sympathetic hearing in Rome. His fellow Brazilian bishops advised him to drop his call for women priests and to concentrate on married men, telling him it would improve his chances of success. In the end, as we now know, even that proposal was rejected. But his fellow bishops never told him that by campaigning for women priests he was committing a sin.
 
I think the Pope’s mindset (and it is a very good mindset and thank goodness we have him as Pope instead of any number of other rigid people) is that it’s better to allow conversations to happen than it is to not let conversations happen, regardless of the subject.

He learned this way back when he was a teacher and his students wanted to talk about all sorts of highly touchy and controversial subjects in Argentina at the time. He didn’t suppress the discussion and try to barrel through class. He knew that was futile and he knew people’s feelings would only smolder and get stronger.

The nice thing about these synods that people make a fuss about is that it allows the discussion to fully play out. People can’t look back and say “The Church doesn’t care and it doesn’t even want to talk about it”. For those of us given the grace to already know the outcome (because, “Upon this rock I will build this church and the gates of Hades shall not overcome it”), it was never anything to worry about. For other people, it was good to have the synod and allow things to be fleshed out.
 
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C.Ray said:
Is women’s ordination really on a par with abortion, gay marriage, and pedophilia?
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Whats wrong is wrong. Even with the countless times the Church has had to put the women’s ordination topic to rest there are some with agendas that keep bringing it up. Again and again and again.

If people that keep persisting with the other examples I gave (which there are) at the same consistency as those that want women’s ordination , you can bet your bottom dollar there would be yet another commission about it.

Little by little, bit by bit, the devil chisels away at the foundation of the church with so called “reforms”. Undermining the Church with vain topics like “women’s ordination”.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
But thank you for reminding me that the silver lining of not having an Easter Vigil at the Cathedral this year to attend is that I don’t have to come out in the wee hours of the morning to see some group demonstrating across the street with “Women Priests Now” signs, getting filmed by the local TV stations that come out ostensibly to cover the Vigil, when all those people should be in the church celebrating Christ’s resurrection, not out in the park trying to get attention on the holiest night of the year.
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You’re very welcome!
 
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I think the Pope’s mindset (and it is a very good mindset and thank goodness we have him as Pope instead of any number of other rigid people) is that it’s better to allow conversations to happen than it is to not let conversations happen, regardless of the subject.
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That’s a really great point, and thank you for making it.
 
po18guy said:
There are fathers and there are mothers. Why would women want to be both mother and father?
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Is that notion rooted in natural law?

I wonder whether the people advocating for women priests believe in natural law, or rather that the male priesthood is founded in it. I honestly don’t know.
 
This reminds me of Adam and Eve in the Garden, where they could eat all the fruit from all the trees, except one. The focus then becomes, ‘Why can’t we eat from that tree?’ So it is with the priesthood. Women are serving their communities very competently in all kinds of capacity, and yet they look at the priesthood and ask ‘why can’t we have that too?’
 
It is rooted in Christ - the Bridegroom. Should women be a bridegroom or a bride?

What is you opinion on this - I am becoming suspicious.
 
po18guy said:
What is you opinion on this - I am becoming suspicious.
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Honestly I’m a little ambivalent. But I’d prefer to be convinced one way or the other. It seems like a bigger deal than I would probably have made of it but I don’t really understand why.

I get that the Church is the bride and Christ the bridegroom; that the priest is ‘another Christ’. What I’m unsure of is whether this relationship is literal or metaphorical.

By the way, none of this is to say that I advocate for women’s ordination. I accept what the church says, and I also prefer a male priesthood. But beyond my sense of obedience and personal preference, there is still room enough in my mind to wonder at it.
 
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I think it is 100% wrong and would be sinful (and perhaps even mortally) for someone who knows the truth and is pushing for change anyway.

On the other hand, it may not be sinful for someone who is simply uneducated on the theology, doctrine & dogma regarding why female ordination is not permitted.

But regardless, it’s still wrong.
 
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It seems like a bigger deal than I would probably have made of it
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I agree. If women priests had been allowed when I was a young unmarried woman, I might have considered joining up. I have no idea if I would have succeeded in reaching ordination day, as I understand now that there were a lot of negative things going on in the seminaries unrelated to gender, and I would not have liked to be around that. Perhaps the Lord kindly helped me dodge a bullet there by making it impossible for me to explore that direction. I also can’t say I’ve been unhappy with the life I had instead.

At the same time, I do not want to agitate my fellow Catholics, or see the Church go into schism. Nor are most of the women pushing for ordination the kind of people I would want as my priest. My mother used to express the same thought. "If there were women priests, then (insert name of particularly obnoxious local Catholic woman she didn’t like) would want to be a priest. Do you want to be seeing her up at the altar every week? "

i am happy to leave this one in the hands of the Lord. He knows best, and my own opinion is of no consequence.
 
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Having conversations and letting people ponder incorrect things as though they could be correct is not a good thing.

Truth is truth and rarely needs to be discussed.
 
Truth remains truth but some think agitating will produce a different answer.
 
I think advocating for change is fine. How else does anything change? Its not like new ideas spring forth full formed without a period of discussion. I know that many will say that this particular thing cannot change, but how do we know if we don’t discuss it?After all, someone advocated for changing the teaching on the death penalty. Someone advocated for the changes to EENS, and so on. The Church can say “no,” and discussion should be respectful, but discussing is not improper, or sinful, or even disloyal.
 
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