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weepixie71
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whenever we have Eucharistic Adoration no one but the clergy, seminarians, and altar boys are in the Sanctuary.
when we do the flowers for the altar and clean we are to let father no we are there to do so, so he can remove Christ from the Sanctuary. we are instructed not to enter until he puts out the red candle.
i think he is doing this to protect Christ in the Sanctuary. for instance. what if someone twisted their ankle on one of the steps in the Sanctuary and accidentally slipped with a bad word? or if someone lost themselves in their work and forgot to genuflect?
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BernadetteM
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I feel very lucky. I attend a very traditional NO parish. We also have TLM on Sundays. We have an altar rail and the Tabernacle is in the center of the altar. All our masses are celebrated facing East.
During the day many come and kneel at the altar/communion rail and adore Christ in the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar.
I am positive that our Pastor would not let anyone except altar boys, lecturers etc. beyond the altar rail.
Once when we had a speaker during a mission our priest removed the Blessed Sacrament and also the red candle, until the speaker was through.
Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary
Bernadette
During the day many come and kneel at the altar/communion rail and adore Christ in the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar.
I am positive that our Pastor would not let anyone except altar boys, lecturers etc. beyond the altar rail.
Once when we had a speaker during a mission our priest removed the Blessed Sacrament and also the red candle, until the speaker was through.
Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary
Bernadette
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OhMalley
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What’s a “NO parish?” Are you Catholic? Are there “YES parishes?” What’s the differences?
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I_Believe
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My 2 cents, Once we enter the nave of a church where the Tabernacle is on the Altar, we are placing ourselves before the Real Presence. One can Adore Him from the back pew or the front pew. Keep in mind we genuflect no matter what pew we choose. To believe in the Real Presence, is to know we are before Him the moment we see the Tabernacle (or Monstrance).
The Eucharistic Adoration Chapel is an approved means of intimate Adoration.
therealpresence.org/
64.247.253.34:8000/view/index.shtml
As far as the Sanctuary, St. Mary Magdalen dei Pazzi mentions getting as close as the Foot of the Altar…
The Eucharistic Adoration Chapel is an approved means of intimate Adoration.
therealpresence.org/
64.247.253.34:8000/view/index.shtml
As far as the Sanctuary, St. Mary Magdalen dei Pazzi mentions getting as close as the Foot of the Altar…
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zab
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Perhaps it is a local custom in some places, but that is not usually the case in this setting. If other visitors of the Blessed Sacrament are staying in the pews and no-one else is visiting in the sanctuary, it is best to assume that it is not a local custom.
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BernadetteM
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Yes I am Catholic. What is a “YES” parish? I think my priest is very orthodox. We have confessions almost every day of the week. Also on Sundays before the Masses.What’s a “NO parish?” Are you Catholic? Are there “YES parishes?” What’s the differences?
They preach Jesus constantly and preach on the Gospel for that day. I have belonged to other parishes and some of them have the tabernacle on the Altar others have a side chapel. Not everyone goes up to the altar rail to visit our Lord, some do it from the pews.
We don’t give the peace to our neighbors, the priest extends it to us though. Also we don’t hold hands during the Our Father. Those things were innovations of either priests or laypeople within the Church and have nothing to do with VII as I believe. You can correct me if I am wrong.
God Bless
Bernadette
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EvelynEVF
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Weepixie, that’s really interesting that your priest actually removes the Lord from the tabernacle before people clean. Wow.
It was our Lord in the Eucharistic that drew me to convert, and even before I was Catholic, I would pray as close to the tabernacle as I dared get. We have it a bit off to the side of the main sanctuary, but still up the steps, if that makes sense. The choir is in the same place on the other side, also up the steps. There is a little place within a few feet of the tabernacle itself, a corner made by the ambo and a pillar next to it, where I could tuck myself invisibly, and I did that a great deal. Still do occasionally, and I always take off my shoes and generally cover my head. On Adoration days, people are all over the church and sometimes at the edges of the sanctuary.
When an older church has a high altar at the rear of the sanctuary, and the tabernacle is there, I don’t know if I would ever dare to get closer than the sacristy doorway
For some reason I feel the need to be hidden, I guess so when others come in, I would not hinder their worship.
It was our Lord in the Eucharistic that drew me to convert, and even before I was Catholic, I would pray as close to the tabernacle as I dared get. We have it a bit off to the side of the main sanctuary, but still up the steps, if that makes sense. The choir is in the same place on the other side, also up the steps. There is a little place within a few feet of the tabernacle itself, a corner made by the ambo and a pillar next to it, where I could tuck myself invisibly, and I did that a great deal. Still do occasionally, and I always take off my shoes and generally cover my head. On Adoration days, people are all over the church and sometimes at the edges of the sanctuary.
When an older church has a high altar at the rear of the sanctuary, and the tabernacle is there, I don’t know if I would ever dare to get closer than the sacristy doorway
For some reason I feel the need to be hidden, I guess so when others come in, I would not hinder their worship.
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JulianN
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Some people refer to the Ordinary Form of the Mass as the Novus Ordo and abbreviate it as NO. Others refer to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass as the Traditional Latin Mass and abbreviate it TLM.What’s a “NO parish?” Are you Catholic? Are there “YES parishes?” What’s the differences?
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OhMalley
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Aside from the unfortunate use of “Novus Ordo” or God forbid “NO” I have never heard of either a “Novus Ordo Parish” or a “NO Parish.” It’s certainly something the Church has not defined. Sounds like a bit of an attack to me.
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OhMalley
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I am sorry to hear that
I am also sad that anyone would label a Catholic parish as a “NO parish.” If someone cannot see the inherent negativity of that label then something really is broken. If someone uses it as a means to quietly attack the OF Mass, then that’s all the worse…
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palmas85
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Oh please, give it a rest. All of this nonsense about the NO Mass or the N.O. Mass, or the Novus Ordo Mass is getting old really quickly. If she had said something negative in any respect about the Ordinary Form of the Mass at her Parish I might tend to agree with you. Heck I woould agree with you.I am sorry to hear that
I am also sad that anyone would label a Catholic parish as a “NO parish.” If someone cannot see the inherent negativity of that label then something really is broken. If someone uses it as a means to quietly attack the OF Mass, then that’s all the worse…
But she said it was a reverent orthodox Parish with reverent Orthodox Masses. What more do you want? Are you upset because they have both Rites at the same Church? Or are you so wrapped up in looking for attacks on the Ordinary Form that you will jump on every opportunity to scream foul even when none exists or was even intended?.
And if you are sorry to hear that they don’t hold hands during the Our Father:bigyikes: or offer each other the Sign of Peace in the same way that you do, get ready for some big news. Neither of those postures as far as I know is obligatory and if the Priests extends the Sign of Peace then all is well. It is to be done according to local custom, or maybe you missed that one. You don’t have to shake hands, flash the peace sign high five or hug your neighbors and roam up and down to aisles grabbing everybody in arms length for the Sign of Peace to be accomplished.
In my travels I see more and more parishes adopting practices similar to what the poster described and you know what?
Its about time…
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BernadetteM
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Thank you for your support in this matter. The Norvus Ordo was what Catholics I know called the Mass. I see on the forums that people use FM or OF now. Also TLM was also used. I really don’t understand where Oh’Malley is coming from. He appears to be a very angry person.
What is wrong with a parish that is reverent and doesn’t use some of the innovations that have come into the Church over the past 40 years. Each of us can choose (at least some times which style of Mass to attend).
Would you be so kind as to explain what Oh’Malley is so against. I really have no idea. Is it now improper to call a Mass NO? If you go to the Traditional section of the forum you will find this term used.
I feel that our Lord has a special place for us to feel comfortable in for worship and we should not judge anyone if they choose something different than we choose.
I assume he doesn’t like Latin Masses either. I don’t attend it as I love the hymns we sing and we follow the missal that many other parishes follow.
Again thanks for your support and gentleness, you are a Catholic that will bring in non catholics because you have a caring nature and that is what evangelizes people, not showing anger, but being more Christ like. I am a convert to the Church and it is people with your attitude that would make me want to be part of the Catholic Church
God Bless
Bernadette
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zab
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OhMalley. a very angry person ? :dts:
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EasterJoy
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Oh’Malley is just a new member. He only has 118 posts. Give the guy a break. He just doesn’t know the lingo yet.
To Oh’Malley. We refer to the University of Portland as “UP”, and it doesn’t mean “up” as opposed to “down.” When you see “NO”, then, read it “N-O”, not “no”. I say that as someone from a parish that offers the Ordinary Form (OF) exclusively. Most who use the abbreviation NO have no intention of offending. As for calling a parish traditional NO, the person just means that the form of the Masses offered are post-1962, while the other customs are pre-1962. If they say Traditional NO, with a capital “T”, then they mean that as much as humanly possible the parish customs, church architecture and everything else possible is lovingly preserved in their pre-1962 form, even though the EF is not offered.
That’s all. No offense was intended.
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mfinnegan
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Originally Posted by BernadetteM
Thank you for your support in this matter. The Norvus Ordo was what Catholics I know called the Mass. I see on the forums that people use FM or OF now. Also TLM was also used. I really don’t understand where Oh’Malley is coming from. He appears to be a very angry person.
What is wrong with a parish that is reverent and doesn’t use some of the innovations that have come into the Church over the past 40 years. Each of us can choose (at least some times which style of Mass to attend).
Would you be so kind as to explain what Oh’Malley is so against. I really have no idea. Is it now improper to call a Mass NO? If you go to the Traditional section of the forum you will find this term used.
I feel that our Lord has a special place for us to feel comfortable in for worship and we should not judge anyone if they choose something different than we choose.
I assume he doesn’t like Latin Masses either. I don’t attend it as I love the hymns we sing and we follow the missal that many other parishes follow.
Again thanks for your support and gentleness, you are a Catholic that will bring in non catholics because you have a caring nature and that is what evangelizes people, not showing anger, but being more Christ like. I am a convert to the Church and it is people with your attitude that would make me want to be part of the Catholic Church
God Bless
Bernadette
Wow your the one who sounds really angry and judgemental. Your assuming alot about someone and it isn’t very charitable. I’ve noticed on these forums that talking about different forms of the Mass is like talking about race…people are way to sensitive.
Thank you for your support in this matter. The Norvus Ordo was what Catholics I know called the Mass. I see on the forums that people use FM or OF now. Also TLM was also used. I really don’t understand where Oh’Malley is coming from. He appears to be a very angry person.
What is wrong with a parish that is reverent and doesn’t use some of the innovations that have come into the Church over the past 40 years. Each of us can choose (at least some times which style of Mass to attend).
Would you be so kind as to explain what Oh’Malley is so against. I really have no idea. Is it now improper to call a Mass NO? If you go to the Traditional section of the forum you will find this term used.
I feel that our Lord has a special place for us to feel comfortable in for worship and we should not judge anyone if they choose something different than we choose.
I assume he doesn’t like Latin Masses either. I don’t attend it as I love the hymns we sing and we follow the missal that many other parishes follow.
Again thanks for your support and gentleness, you are a Catholic that will bring in non catholics because you have a caring nature and that is what evangelizes people, not showing anger, but being more Christ like. I am a convert to the Church and it is people with your attitude that would make me want to be part of the Catholic Church
God Bless
Bernadette
Wow your the one who sounds really angry and judgemental. Your assuming alot about someone and it isn’t very charitable. I’ve noticed on these forums that talking about different forms of the Mass is like talking about race…people are way to sensitive.
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Miserissima
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Uh…back to the topic…
Interestingly enough, I went to a local parish this past week (not my regular one) and during the homily, the priest said that outside of Mass, there is a prie dieu in front of the tabernacle for all to use. However, I wouldn’t think that this applies to everywhere, and would defer to local custom.
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MonFrere
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I think the Catholics who participate in forums like this are a different breed than those who are in the pews on a typical Sunday. I’m not saying this is bad or good; but the Catholics on this forum are generically speaking “intellectually more curious” than your average Catholic sitting in on a Sunday liturgy. I think it’s VERY IMPORTANT for the “intellectually curious” to seek out the very best information they can when they have an important question, or even a question that comes up in the day in the life of your average Catholic.
I am a convert having been a Protestant for over 30 years. I’ve been Catholic since 2000. Getting past all the misconceptions that Protestants have about the Catholic faith was certainly a huge hurdle. But, I also must admit, I’ve had to continue to hurdle around all manner of other issues after becoming Catholic. One such hurdle was the liturgical issues. Some were more inclined to what is not the extraordinary form of the Mass. Of course, others were more inclined to the ordinary form of the Mass. The real challenge to me, in this issue, was the matching of the Popes words with the liturgical texts produced by Church authorities. EVERYONE interpreted them according to their personal perspective. I remember on this forum having some “very robust” conversations concerning the Papal Masses - especially the one in D.C. That particular liturgy contained all the elements that drive those with passions about the liturgy absolutely crazy. Some were sure Pope Benedict hated it; others were just as sure that he thought it was perfectly fine. And we all speculated what was going on “behind the scenes”.
I have read the documents and have also noticed the moves of the Vatican concerning liturgy; because, as a church musician, I need to be knowledgeable on liturgical matters, and I’ve come to the following conclusion. I have my personal opinion as to what is going on - and I honestly try to live within the norms of the Church, as I have no reason to do otherwise. But, there is, at present, a degree of gray, concerning liturgy. That is not saying there are legitimate abuses; but that’s also saying that some people cry “abuse” when, in reality, there is none present.
To give one quick example. This lent our parish had the bishop come to Confirm our class prepared for the past couple years. Being lent - we traditionally do not sing the word “alleluia”. But being Confirmation we sing hymns to the Holy Spirit. We have traditionally always sung - O Holy Spirit by Whose Breath. This hymn is full of “alleluias”. Somehow it got past the bishop’s committee that scrutinizes all liturgies performed by the bishop. The program was printed and everything was ready to go until about 10 minutes before the Mass one of our choir members figured out that we couldn’t sing this hymn. I immediately went to the sacristy and mentioned it to the head of the bishop’s committee. He recommended I change it if I could; but also eased my mind that the world wouldn’t end if we couldn’t get it changed. Honest mistakes happen - even with cautious planning - even with the best of intentions. But if mistakes are made - don’t make more of it than what it is. My perspective is that if all those non-issues were put in their proper perspective there would be over twice the time for confronting those items that are really necessary. Catholics are masters at straining at gnats; we need to learn the difference between the gnat and the camel.
And this leads me to my point concerning this thread to whomever started it. I’d talk to the priest of the parish and go over your desire to pray before that tabernacle in the sanctuary. If he says yes - you are in the clear to pray (the priest would know the local customs better than anyone). If he says no - then find an adoration chapel in your area. I do know that somewhere on the internet there is a listing of all adoration sites in the U.S. In the diocese of Pittsburgh an effort is made to have a perpetual adoration chapel in each county; and there is one 20 minutes from my home.
One more bit of advise. The above post highlights my POV that each individual Christian must work on their own salvation with fear and trembling. Do NOT allow the opinions of just anyone to make your opinions for you. Seek out good friends, people that you can respect, people who don’t seek their own way but the way of the Church. Give these people their due - but then confidently make the best informed decision you can and stick to it. Since I became Catholic I can look at myself certainly as one member of the Church, the Body of Christ, the body I love – but I can also look at myself as a unique creation brought into existence by God for His good pleasure. All the gifts He’s given me need a special attention so I ALSO look at myself as fulfilling a unique role in His Body. SO … if I had the desire to pray before the Blessed Sacrament – I would see to it one way of the other that I’d be praying before the Blessed Sacrament. Don’t quench the Spirit.
MonFrere
I am a convert having been a Protestant for over 30 years. I’ve been Catholic since 2000. Getting past all the misconceptions that Protestants have about the Catholic faith was certainly a huge hurdle. But, I also must admit, I’ve had to continue to hurdle around all manner of other issues after becoming Catholic. One such hurdle was the liturgical issues. Some were more inclined to what is not the extraordinary form of the Mass. Of course, others were more inclined to the ordinary form of the Mass. The real challenge to me, in this issue, was the matching of the Popes words with the liturgical texts produced by Church authorities. EVERYONE interpreted them according to their personal perspective. I remember on this forum having some “very robust” conversations concerning the Papal Masses - especially the one in D.C. That particular liturgy contained all the elements that drive those with passions about the liturgy absolutely crazy. Some were sure Pope Benedict hated it; others were just as sure that he thought it was perfectly fine. And we all speculated what was going on “behind the scenes”.
I have read the documents and have also noticed the moves of the Vatican concerning liturgy; because, as a church musician, I need to be knowledgeable on liturgical matters, and I’ve come to the following conclusion. I have my personal opinion as to what is going on - and I honestly try to live within the norms of the Church, as I have no reason to do otherwise. But, there is, at present, a degree of gray, concerning liturgy. That is not saying there are legitimate abuses; but that’s also saying that some people cry “abuse” when, in reality, there is none present.
To give one quick example. This lent our parish had the bishop come to Confirm our class prepared for the past couple years. Being lent - we traditionally do not sing the word “alleluia”. But being Confirmation we sing hymns to the Holy Spirit. We have traditionally always sung - O Holy Spirit by Whose Breath. This hymn is full of “alleluias”. Somehow it got past the bishop’s committee that scrutinizes all liturgies performed by the bishop. The program was printed and everything was ready to go until about 10 minutes before the Mass one of our choir members figured out that we couldn’t sing this hymn. I immediately went to the sacristy and mentioned it to the head of the bishop’s committee. He recommended I change it if I could; but also eased my mind that the world wouldn’t end if we couldn’t get it changed. Honest mistakes happen - even with cautious planning - even with the best of intentions. But if mistakes are made - don’t make more of it than what it is. My perspective is that if all those non-issues were put in their proper perspective there would be over twice the time for confronting those items that are really necessary. Catholics are masters at straining at gnats; we need to learn the difference between the gnat and the camel.
And this leads me to my point concerning this thread to whomever started it. I’d talk to the priest of the parish and go over your desire to pray before that tabernacle in the sanctuary. If he says yes - you are in the clear to pray (the priest would know the local customs better than anyone). If he says no - then find an adoration chapel in your area. I do know that somewhere on the internet there is a listing of all adoration sites in the U.S. In the diocese of Pittsburgh an effort is made to have a perpetual adoration chapel in each county; and there is one 20 minutes from my home.
One more bit of advise. The above post highlights my POV that each individual Christian must work on their own salvation with fear and trembling. Do NOT allow the opinions of just anyone to make your opinions for you. Seek out good friends, people that you can respect, people who don’t seek their own way but the way of the Church. Give these people their due - but then confidently make the best informed decision you can and stick to it. Since I became Catholic I can look at myself certainly as one member of the Church, the Body of Christ, the body I love – but I can also look at myself as a unique creation brought into existence by God for His good pleasure. All the gifts He’s given me need a special attention so I ALSO look at myself as fulfilling a unique role in His Body. SO … if I had the desire to pray before the Blessed Sacrament – I would see to it one way of the other that I’d be praying before the Blessed Sacrament. Don’t quench the Spirit.
MonFrere
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mfinnegan
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well said:thumbsup:
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