Is it okay for a Christian to have sympathy for Judas the Iscariot?

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Something called the Bible which I quoted earlier. You can say it’s not a certainty if Judas is in Hell but it sure sounds like it. He chose to though

To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him forever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.” CC1023
How do we know he didn’t repent? To my understanding, his sorrow and repentance are what led to his death (suicide); I take that to indicate GREAT sorrow and grief for what he did.
Maybe at the last second of his life he saw a vision of Jesus crucified and repented.
That’s entirely possible.

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Each of us has betrayed Christ. Every one of us. ** When we sin against Him, that is what Judas did. Yes, Judas’ sin was beyond comprehension, leading directly to the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. However, we also sin, and all sin is against God.

I don’t approve of what Judas did. But God doesn’t approve of a lot of what I’ve done, or will do, in my life. I’m fallen. I’m a sinner. Who am I to say Judas is in Heaven or Hell? It’s my desire that we all go to Heaven and be with God in Glory. God forgives me my sins; I won’t say He shouldn’t, or didn’t. forgive Judas his, if he repented. He died for Judas’ sins, the same as mine.

Perhaps the theologians have studied and prayed on this over the past 2000 years, and have declared Judas to be believed in Hell; I don’t know. But then, those people, even now saints, are not infallible or perfect. I believe the Faith teaches that we don’t know who is in Hell, and only declares saints after being assured by God that they are in Heaven.

Let us pray that we don’t sin against or betray God, the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Let us seek His Mercy when we fall short of grace. Let us know His Forgiveness and Mercy. Amen, amen, amen.
 
There’s no such thing as an opposite of canonization, minus the fact that demons are doctrine. St JPII explains this in “Crossing the Threshold of Hope” and explicitly mentions Judas.

In 12 Steps to Holiness and Salavtion drawn from the works of St & Doctor Alphonsus Liguori, Liguori breaks down why one ought not to inordinately grieve the lose of a person. 1) Are they in hell? Then they spurn your tears (i.e. they hate you, just as they hate everybody else). 2) Are they in Purgatory? Then they pant for your prayers, so they can go to their final destination. 3) Are they in Heaven? Then they celebrate and burn for you to also be where they are.
 
Jesus died so that my sins could be forgiven, so I am also responsible for the death of Jesus.

When Jesus prayed on the cross, forgive them Father, did he mean forgive everyone, apart from Judas and the soldiers who nailed him to the cross?

And just a thought, there were times Jesus disappeared and avoided being arrested. Jesus knew in advance that Judas was coming with soldiers. Jesus had the opportunity to disappear again and avoid arrest.
 
“Is it my will that a sinner should die, saith the Lord God, and not that he should be converted from his ways, and live?” (Ez. 18:23)

Sympathy for Judas is fine - even good, if it springs from charity - provided that our sympathy is not merely a feeling or a masked opposition to God’s perfect justice.

St. Alphonsus, quoting a revelation from St. Bridget, says that Our Lord would willingly suffer again to save even one of the damned, if it were possible. This is a reminder that God loves souls; He loves us unconditionally. The important thing for us to do is accept that love and to share it. The damned, unfortunately, are incapable of doing so.
 
Jesus died so that my sins could be forgiven, so I am also responsible for the death of Jesus.

When Jesus prayed on the cross, forgive them Father, did he mean forgive everyone, apart from Judas and the soldiers who nailed him to the cross?

And just a thought, there were times Jesus disappeared and avoided being arrested. Jesus knew in advance that Judas was coming with soldiers. Jesus had the opportunity to disappear again and avoid arrest.
Jesus shed his Precious Blood for all; He desires that all be saved. Because we do not have angelic intellects and wills, there is always hope of repentance. Our Lord said to St. Bridget that He would willingly save all of the damned, if only it were possible.

If Judas responded to God’s mercy, He would have been pardoned. Theologians often compare St. Peter’s repentance with that of Judas, to remind us that Divine Mercy is infinite to those who seek it, but we must be contrite.
 
Had judas been truly repentant he would not have hung himself. We can speculate til we’re blue in the face whether he was in fact remorseful or sorry for his betrayal, but the evidence from scripture points to his damnation.
 
Had judas been truly repentant he would not have hung himself. We can speculate til we’re blue in the face whether he was in fact remorseful or sorry for his betrayal, but the evidence from scripture points to his damnation.
The bigger question might be, if someone betrayed us in the same way Judas did, could we forgive them?
 
After all, after he betrayed Jesus, he didn’t cared about money or even his life, what he cares for is Jesus, right? So maybe it’s alright to have sympathy for him? Or maybe, could he even got in heaven?
I have sympathy for him, Whether he made it to heaven, I don’t know, from what I have read, I very much doubt it, even if you do pray for him and he is in hell, those prayers are not wasted.

As littlestsouls said, others have compared the falls of both Judas and St Peter, It’s my understanding the difference is that St Peter sought Jesus’ forgiveness, while Judas only wished to unburden himself of the world that looked down on him because of such betrayal, whereas St Peter would not have cared what the world and others thought of his denial, only what Christ thought and His forgiveness.

The following I believe may help from the book ‘The Dolorous Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ’ by Anne Catherine Emmerich (Roman Catholic Imprimatur & Nihil Obstat)

Chapter 14: The Despair of Judas - [jesus-passion.com/THE_PASSION.htm#CHAPTER XIV](http://www.jesus-passion.com/THE_PASSION.htm#CHAPTER XIV)

I hope this has helped.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
How do we know he didn’t repent? To my understanding, his sorrow and repentance are what led to his death (suicide); I take that to indicate GREAT sorrow and grief for what he did.

That’s entirely possible.

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Each of us has betrayed Christ. Every one of us. ** When we sin against Him, that is what Judas did. Yes, Judas’ sin was beyond comprehension, leading directly to the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. However, we also sin, and all sin is against God.

I don’t approve of what Judas did. But God doesn’t approve of a lot of what I’ve done, or will do, in my life. I’m fallen. I’m a sinner. Who am I to say Judas is in Heaven or Hell? It’s my desire that we all go to Heaven and be with God in Glory. God forgives me my sins; I won’t say He shouldn’t, or didn’t. forgive Judas his, if he repented. He died for Judas’ sins, the same as mine.

Perhaps the theologians have studied and prayed on this over the past 2000 years, and have declared Judas to be believed in Hell; I don’t know. But then, those people, even now saints, are not infallible or perfect. I believe the Faith teaches that we don’t know who is in Hell, and only declares saints after being assured by God that they are in Heaven.

Let us pray that we don’t sin against or betray God, the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Let us seek His Mercy when we fall short of grace. Let us know His Forgiveness and Mercy. Amen, amen, amen.
I’m sick of retreading the same point over and over again. He didn’t because of the BIBLE. It gets to a point when this becomes annoying.
 
I’m sick of retreading the same point over and over again. He didn’t because of the BIBLE. It gets to a point when this becomes annoying.
Please show me where in the Bible it says that Judas went to and is in Hell.

I’m very thankful that it’s our merciful God who will be judging me and my sins and repentance, and not other fallible human beings, especially given this thread.
 
I’m sick of retreading the same point over and over again. He didn’t because of the BIBLE. It gets to a point when this becomes annoying.
I guess I understand where you’re coming from. But just understand that there are a lot of us bleeding hearts who sort of get reminded a bit of Judas. Some of us even get reminded of him when we look in the mirror.

So cut us some slack. And take your certainty that He’s a living torch and sort of tuck it in your back pocket. Because some of us would like to have a tiny hope that he had a final chance to make his case.

Just a tiny hope.

That’s all we ask.

Please? 😊

Peace Prodigal.

-Trident
 
The following I believe may help -
Extract from the book 'The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ' by Anne Catherine Emmerich:
The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ - jesus-passion.com/DOLOROU…SUS_CHRIST.htm
(Roman Catholic Imprimatur & Nihil Obstat)

**CHAPTER XIV

The Despair of Judas**

Whilst the Jews were conducting Jesus to Pilate, the traitor Judas walked about listening to the conversation of the crowd who followed, and his ears were struck by words such as these: ‘They are taking him before Pilate; the High Priests have condemned the Galilean to death; he will be crucified; they will accomplish his death; he has been already dreadfully ill-treated; his patience is wonderful; he answers not; his only words are that he is the Messiah, and that he will be seated at the right hand of God; they will crucify him on account of those words; had he not said them they could not have condemned him to death. The miscreant who sold him was one of his disciples, and had a short time before eaten the Paschal lamb with him; not for worlds would I have had to do with such an act; however guilty the Galilean may be, he has not at all events sold his friend for money; such an infamous character as this disciple is infinitely more deserving of death.’ Then, but too late, anguish, despair, and remorse took possession of the mind of Judas. Satan instantly prompted him to fly. He fled as if a thousand furies were at his heel, and the bag which was hanging at his side struck him as he ran, and propelled him as a spur from hell; but he took it into his hand to prevent its blows. He fled as fast as possible, but where did he fly? Not towards the crowd, that he might cast himself at the feet of Jesus, his merciful Saviour, implore his pardon, and beg to die with him,— not to confess his fault with true repentance before God, but to endeavour to unburden himself before the world of his crime, and of the price of his treachery. He ran like one beside himself into the Temple, where several members of the Council had gathered together after the judgment of Jesus. They looked at one another with astonishment; and then turned their haughty countenances, on which a smile of irony was visible, upon Judas. He with a frantic gesture tore the thirty pieces of silver from his side, and holding them forth with his right hand, exclaimed in accents of the most deep despair, ‘ Take back your silver—that silver with which you bribed me to betray this just man; take back your silver; release Jesus; our compact is at an end; I have sinned grievously, for I have betrayed innocent blood.’ The priests answered him in the most contemptuous manner, and, as if fearful of contaminating themselves by the contact of the reward of the traitor, would not touch the silver he tended, but replied, ‘What have we to do with thy sin? If thou thinkest to have sold innocent blood, it is thine own affair; we know what we have paid for, and we have judged him worthy of death. Thou hast thy money, say no more.’ They addressed these words to him in the abrupt tone in which men usually speak when anxious to get rid of a troublesome person, and instantly arose and walked away. These words filled Judas with such rage and despair that he became almost frantic: his hair stood on end on his head; he rent in two the bag which contained the thirty pieces of silver, cast them down in the Temple, and fled to the outskirts of the town.

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I again beheld him rushing to and fro like a madman in the valley of Hinnom: Satan was by his side in a hideous form, whispering in his ear, to endeavour to drive him to despair, all the curses which the prophets had hurled upon this valley, where the Jews formerly sacrificed their children to idols.

It appeared as if all these maledictions were directed against him, as in these words, for instance: ‘ They shall go forth, and behold the carcases of those who have sinned against me, whose worm dieth not, and whose fire shall never be extinguished.’ Then the devil murmured in his ears, ‘Cain, where is thy brother Abel? What hast thou done?—his blood cries to me for vengeance: thou art cursed upon earth, a wanderer for ever.’ When he reached the torrent of Cedron, and saw Mount Olivet, he shuddered, turned away, and again the words vibrated in his ear, ‘Friend, whereto art thou come? Judas, dost thou betray the Son of Man with a kiss?’ Horror filled his soul, his head began to wander, and the arch fiend again whispered, ‘It was here that David crossed the Cedron when he fled from Absalom. Absalom put an end to his life by hanging himself. It was of thee that David spoke when he said: “And they repaid me evil for good; hatred for my love. May the devil stand at his right hand; when he is judged, may he go out condemned. May his days be few, and his bishopric let another take. May the iniquity of his father be remembered in the sight of the Lord; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out, because he remembered not to show mercy, but persecuted the poor man and the beggar and the broken in heart, to put him to death. And he loved cursing, and it shall come unto him. And he put on cursing like a garment, and it went in like water into his entrails, and like oil into his bones. May it be unto him like a garment which covereth him and like a girdle, with which he is girded continually.”’
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Overcome by these terrible thoughts Judas rushed on, and reached the foot of the mountain. It was a dreary, desolate spot filled with rubbish and putrid remains; discordant sounds from the city reverberated in his ears, and Satan continually repeated, ‘They are now about to put him to death; thou hast sold him. Knowest thou not the words of the law, “He who sells a soul among his brethren, and receives the price of it, let him die the death”? Put an end to thy misery, wretched one; put an end to thy misery.’ Overcome by despair Judas tore off his girdle, and hung himself on a tree which grew in a crevice of the rock, and after death his body burst asunder, and his bowels were scattered around.
Jesus to Catalina:
(Roman Catholic Imprimatur)

**2) After Judas handed Me over in the Garden of Olives, he wandered off and took flight, unable to stifle the cries of his conscience, which accused him of the most horrible sacrilege. When the news of My death sentence reached his ears, he gave in to the most terrible despair and hanged himself.
  1. Who can possibly understand the intense pain in My Heart when I saw that soul cast himself into eternal damnation? He who had spent three years in the school of My Love learning My doctrine, receiving My teaching, and many times hearing My lips forgive the greatest sinners.
  2. Judas! Why do you not come and throw yourself at My feet so that I may forgive you? If you do not dare to come near Me for fear of those who surround Me and so ardently abuse Me, at least look at Me and you will see how soon My eyes will fix on you.
  3. Souls, who are entangled in the greatest sins… If at times you have lived wandering as fugitives because of your crimes, if the sins of which you are guilty have blinded you and hardened your hearts, if in the pursuit of some passion you have fallen into greater disorder, do not allow desperation to take possession of you when the accomplices to your sin abandon you and your soul realizes its guilt. As long as man has an instant of life, he still has time to appeal to My Mercy and implore forgiveness.
  4. If you are young and the scandals of your past life have left you in a state of degradation before men, do not be afraid! Even though the world may despise you, treat you as wicked, insult and abandon you, be certain that your God does not want your soul to be fodder for the flames of hell. He wants you to dare to speak to Him, to direct your gaze and the sighs of your heart at Him, and you will soon see that His kind and paternal hand will lead you to the source of forgiveness and of life.
  5. If out of malice you have perhaps spent a large part of your life in disorder and indifference, and now near eternity, desperation wants to blindfold your eyes, do not allow yourself to be deceived. There is still time for forgiveness. Listen carefully: if you have left but a second of life, take advantage of it because you could gain eternal life during that second.
  6. If your existence has passed in ignorance and in error, if you have been the cause of great harm to people, to society, and even to religion, and for any reason you recognize your mistake, do not allow yourself to be pulled down by the burden of your sins or by the harm for which you have been instrumental. But instead, allow your soul to be penetrated with the deepest sorrow, absorb yourself in trust and turn to the One who is always waiting to forgive you.
  7. The same happens for a soul who has spent the first years of its life in faithful observance of My Commandments, but has little by little fallen away from fervor into a lukewarm and comfortable life …
  8. Do not hide anything that I tell you, for it is all for the benefit of the whole of humanity. Repeat it in broad daylight; preach it to those who truly want to hear it.
  9. The soul who one day receives a strong jolt that awaken her, all of a sudden sees her life fruitless, empty and undeserving of eternity. The Evil One, with infernal jealousy, attacks her in a thousand ways, exaggerating her faults. He inspires in her sadness and discouragement, leading in the end to fear and desperation.
  10. Soul that belongs to Me, do not pay attention to that cruel enemy. As soon as you feel the movement of grace at the beginning of your struggle, come to My Heart. Feel and watch how it pours a drop of its Blood upon your soul, and come to Me. You know where I am, under the veil of faith… Lift it and, with complete trust, tell Me all your sorrows, your miseries, your falls… Listen to My words with respect and do not fear for the past. My Heart has submerged it in the endless depths of My Mercy and My Love.
  11. Your past life will give you the humility that will fill you. And if you want to give Me the best proof of love, trust Me and count on My forgiveness. Believe that your sins will never be greater than My infinite Mercy. **
I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Had judas been truly repentant he would not have hung himself. We can speculate til we’re blue in the face whether he was in fact remorseful or sorry for his betrayal, but the evidence from scripture points to his damnation.
Well what is wrong with thinking “It looks bad, but I hope for the best”? The Bible is not a account down to the last T. How would anyone besides Judas and God know if while Judas was hanging there, he had a thought “This was a bad idea. But I cannot unhitch myself from this noose. Dang… Lord, I am sorry”?

Besides, there are TWO accounts of Judas’ death. What if the truth is somewhere in the middle of suicide and accident? Only God can judge who is truly in hell and not. Even up to the last breath of life, one can repent.
 
I guess I understand where you’re coming from. But just understand that there are a lot of us bleeding hearts who sort of get reminded a bit of Judas. Some of us even get reminded of him when we look in the mirror.

So cut us some slack. And take your certainty that He’s a living torch and sort of tuck it in your back pocket. Because some of us would like to have a tiny hope that he had a final chance to make his case.

Just a tiny hope.

That’s all we ask.

Please? 😊

Peace Prodigal.

-Trident
I think the main point that is getting missed, is it’s not exactly the sin that sent him to hell but rather his response to it and to Christ. He returned the pieces of silver showing remorse, but I’m not sure he would have done the same if it had all worked out for him and people didn’t despise him for it, It’s my understanding it was his image in view of the world and not so much because of a truly contrite heart toward Christ. Hence why many theologians compare the falls of both Judas and St Peter, Peter returned but Judas didn’t.

However, I am still learning, just some thoughts.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
That is private revelation. It is not required to be believed by the faithful but nothing wrong with it if someone does believe it.
Yup, I believe it though and I think It helps and makes a lot of sense.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
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