Is it okay for a Christian to have sympathy for Judas the Iscariot?

[Exiled_Child]

Judas is as scorned and despised in death as Christ was in life. Of course I have sympathy for him.

We have the Gospels, but they do not and they cannot tell us what was exchanged personally between Christ and Judas.

Judas Iscariot is the most tragic figure in human history.

 

[LaughingBoy1503]

Yup, I believe it though and I think It helps and makes a lot of sense.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

Just thought I would add what I did in case someone did not know that. I believe certain private revelations too. Never my own though, lol. God bless.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

“From all the indications in the Gospel story the probable conclusion is that Judas is in hell.”

The story of Judas is there to inspire us in some way, and there are two parts to the story, what Judas did, and what Jesus did.

We know Jesus prayed on the cross, forgive them Father, but who is Jesus asking forgiveness for? Is Jesus including Judas and the soldiers who nailed him to the cross?

Am I expected to forgive others in the same way? If someone betrayed me in the same way that Judas betrayed, would I be expected to forgive that person?

 

[PJM]

After all, after he betrayed Jesus, he didn’t cared about money or even his life, what he cares for is Jesus, right? So maybe it’s alright to have sympathy for him? Or maybe, could he even got in heaven?

What I share HERE is my personal understanding of what the RCC teaches.

Judas gave NO indication of caring for Jesus more so than HIMSELF. He freely choose to Despair rather than abide the large body of evidence that Jesus IS a God of Great Mercy.

Jesus had even refered to Judas a s FRIEND when Judas approached Him with the crowd.

Because despair in this case was self-inflicted; it HIGHLY unlikely that Judas was aligned with Jesus at his [Judas] death.

The Bible and the RCC both stress the Betrayal of Judas and give no evidence of his repentance unto salvation.

 

[zab]

I guess I understand where you’re coming from. But just understand that there are a lot of us bleeding hearts who sort of get reminded a bit of Judas. Some of us even get reminded of him when we look in the mirror.

So cut us some slack. And take your certainty that He’s a living torch and sort of tuck it in your back pocket. Because some of us would like to have a tiny hope that he had a final chance to make his case.

Just a tiny hope.

That’s all we ask.

Please?

Peace Prodigal.

-Trident

Those of us who have had prodigal sons, daughters, brothers or sisters, fathers or mothers who have died a sudden tragic death or a suicide may have struggled with this Judas story at sometime or another. I know I did. But I eventually came to peace knowing that as much as I sympathized with my brother’s fate, I know that God is infinitely more loving and merciful than I. And I have to place my trust in God.

 

[ccmcmg]

Those of us who have had prodigal sons, daughters, brothers or sisters, fathers or mothers who have died a sudden tragic death or a suicide may have struggled with this Judas story at sometime or another. I know I did. But I eventually came to peace knowing that as much as I sympathized with my brother’s fate, I know that God is infinitely more loving and merciful than I. And I have to place my trust in God.

Yes, all our trust should be in Him, and we should all pray for His Mercy.

What I share HERE is my personal understanding of what the RCC teaches.

Judas gave NO indication of caring for Jesus more so than HIMSELF. He freely choose to Despair rather than abide the large body of evidence that Jesus IS a God of Great Mercy.

Jesus had even refered to Judas a s FRIEND when Judas approached Him with the crowd.

Because despair in this case was self-inflicted; it HIGHLY unlikely that Judas was aligned with Jesus at his [Judas] death.

The Bible and the RCC both stress the Betrayal of Judas and give no evidence of his repentance unto salvation.

However, although no indication is given, we still cannot assume to know the end.

Still thankful for His Mercy and Forgiveness, and that His Love for us is Infinite.

 

[Prodigal_40s]

“From all the indications in the Gospel story the probable conclusion is that Judas is in hell.”
ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=393943&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=

This is an example of liberal behavior; no matter how much evidence you have and even if when you provide them with proof in scared scripture, they still believe what they’ve been told by liberal heretical prelates.
This is the way secular liberals behave too except when they lose it they swear and refuse to speak to you. The latter outcome is welcome tbh!

 

[sticknstring73]

That would be a false teaching then. Neither do I imagine any priest saying such a thing.

Because the omnipotent Creator knew Judas was to betray Him is not the same as falsely thinking Judas was Willed, forced, coerced or commanded, to betray Him.

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Hi OP. I think it is okay to feel sorry for Judas as we can all be him sometimes but as long as we remember what The Word had to go through too as a result of our sins. A daily effort.

I still maintain that he had to do it and I am pretty sure I remember my priest telling me this.

John 13:27 and onward:
27After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Therefore Jesus said to him, “What you do, do quickly.” 28Now no one of those reclining at the table knew for what purpose He had said this to him. 29For some were supposing, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus was saying to him, “Buy the things we have need of for the feast”; or else, that he should give something to the poor. 30So after receiving the morsel he went out immediately; and it was night.

  31Therefore when he had gone out, Jesus said, “**Now is the Son of Man glorified**, and God is glorified in Him; 32if God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and will glorify Him immediately.

Jesus doesn’t stop him. I always thought he could have exorcised satan and saved Judas but that didn’t happen. Also I believe although it is escaping me now that this is an event that might be prefigured in some way in the old testament.

 

[PJM]

I still maintain that he had to do it and I am pretty sure I remember my priest telling me this.

John 13:27 and onward:
27After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Therefore Jesus said to him, “What you do, do quickly.” 28Now no one of those reclining at the table knew for what purpose He had said this to him. 29For some were supposing, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus was saying to him, “Buy the things we have need of for the feast”; or else, that he should give something to the poor. 30So after receiving the morsel he went out immediately; and it was night.

  31Therefore when he had gone out, Jesus said, “**Now is the Son of Man glorified**, and God is glorified in Him; 32if God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and will glorify Him immediately.

Jesus doesn’t stop him. I always thought he could have exorcised satan and saved Judas but that didn’t happen. Also I believe although it is escaping me now that this is an event that might be prefigured in some way in the old testament.

NO my friend this CANNOT possibly be true.

HERE’S WHY

In Genesis 1:26-27 we are taught that God freely choose to create man “in His Own Image”

Thus in all of creations BILLIONS of things and hundreds of MILLIONS of Living things; only One; ONLY man is able to emulate God; which John tells us in 4:23-24 that God is 'SPIRIT"

God has gifted every human being with a mind; intellect and freewill which He then attaches permanently to man’s immortal soul. Thus enabling man to:

Freely choose to love ot hate God

To emulate God’s immortality though our SOULS and the soul’s intellect, mind and freewill. [ALL Spiritual realities] as is our God.

NOW here is why your position is wrong. God cannot be God "ALL GOOD THINGS PERFECTED]; IF He were to in a sense “take-back” man’s right to use the attributes given to him PRECISELY so that we could freely choose to love or to hate God. Such a condition would amount to “predestination” , which biblically ONLY means “to have advance knowledge of.”.

So Judas like each Soul before and after him HAS to freely choose for themselved either heaven or hell bu OUR life-choices. Amen:thumbsup:

God Bless you,

Patrick

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[sticknstring73]

NO my friend this CANNOT possibly be true.

HERE’S WHY

In Genesis 1:26-27 we are taught that God freely choose to create man “in His Own Image”

Thus in all of creations BILLIONS of things and hundreds of MILLIONS of Living things; only One; ONLY man is able to emulate God; which John tells us in 4:23-24 that God is 'SPIRIT"

God has gifted every human being with a mind; intellect and freewill which He then attaches permanently to man’s immortal soul. Thus enabling man to:

Freely choose to love ot hate God

To emulate God’s immortality though our SOULS and the soul’s intellect, mind and freewill. [ALL Spiritual realities] as is our God.

NOW here is why your position is wrong. God cannot be God "ALL GOOD THINGS PERFECTED]; IF He were to in a sense “take-back” man’s right to use the attributes given to him PRECISELY so that we could freely choose to love or to hate God. Such a condition would amount to “predestination” , which biblically ONLY means “to have advance knowledge of.”.

So Judas like each Soul before and after him HAS to freely choose for themselved either heaven or hell bu OUR life-choices. Amen:thumbsup:

God Bless you,

Patrick

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He may have free choice in the matter but it HAS to happen to fulfill old testament.

Here is something I found online that has the examples:
“Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me” (Psalm 41:9, see fulfillment inMatthew 26:14,48-49). Also, “I told them, ‘If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.’ So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said to me, ‘Throw it to the potter’—the handsome price at which they priced me!’ So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter” (Zechariah 11:12-13; seeMatthew 27:3-5for the fulfillment of the Zechariah prophecy). These Old Testament prophecies indicate that Judas’ betrayal was known to God and that it was sovereignly planned beforehand as the means by which Jesus would be killed.

Predestination or whatever, it has to occur.

 

[SnoopSword]

Had judas been truly repentant he would not have hung himself. We can speculate til we’re blue in the face whether he was in fact remorseful or sorry for his betrayal, but the evidence from scripture points to his damnation.

Well I’m amazed at how the Judas story was been lost over time and theres even confusion over who killed Jesus.

Jesus himself called Judas a devil. Why? Because Satan acts through his children on earth. John 8:44 explains this. These people are antichrist and only do the lusts of their father. Satan could thus enter in and out of Judas at will which implies Satan has soveign headship over his people. These people are imune from sin for this reason. That is why those who admit no sins have no Truth in them.

The real hard to swallow pill in this whole thing is the big lost teaching for obvious reasons. I dont know how to sugar coat this… but… Judas was actually the only ‘Jew’ of the disciples including Jesus, Mary, Paul, etc. I sincerely hope this is known as factual on the traditional section of this forum and how the non-existant three letter word ‘Jew’ replaced ‘Judean’ in the 18th century. Judas was essentially a son of Cain and had no God in him. He would have been precondemned long ago and without a choice.

Heres the thing though, for this to be possible, it implies that there truly is 2 seedlines on the earth (Gen 3, Mat 13?) and one of those seedlines are technically not ‘human’. Remember only Adamites human. The others others serve another father ard work as our opposition as Satans hands on earth (2 thes 1:15?)

I was blown away to find that the crazy reptilian shape shifting lore is actually based off the Biblical story and amazingly is very accurate to our reality.

I feel its important to recognize we arent like Judas, and Judas isnt like us. See him more as an non-human with a completely different soul composition who is not under the sight of God. Remember, human beings of Adam would not kill and betray Jesus.

 

[PJM]

He may have free choice in the matter but it HAS to happen to fulfill old testament.

Here is something I found online that has the examples:
“Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me” (Psalm 41:9, see fulfillment inMatthew 26:14,48-49). Also, “I told them, ‘If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.’ So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said to me, ‘Throw it to the potter’—the handsome price at which they priced me!’ So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter” (Zechariah 11:12-13; seeMatthew 27:3-5for the fulfillment of the Zechariah prophecy). These Old Testament prophecies indicate that Judas’ betrayal was known to God and that it was sovereignly planned beforehand as the means by which Jesus would be killed.

Predestination or whatever, it has to occur.

I agree EXCEPT for the final point

Predestination as it relates to God and ourselves merely [if that is the correct word to use in this context?] means that God knows in advance what OUR freewill choice will be.

Thanks for the reminder on the potters field. I read it years ago.

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[sticknstring73]

I agree EXCEPT for the final point

Predestination as it relates to God and ourselves merely [if that is the correct word to use in this context?] means that God knows in advance what OUR freewill choice will be.

Thanks for the reminder on the potters field. I read it years ago.

God Bless you,

Patrick

Just so I understand this: are you saying that Jesus does not have to be betrayed?

 

[BobCatholic]

Yes. Please have sympathy for me.

 

[sticknstring73]

Yes. Please have sympathy for me.

LOL!!!

I can’t help myself with this thread. My sympathies to souldiver the originator of this thread, BTW this question was a major sticking point for myself when I went through RCIA. It would seem, right or wrong, that it gets answered differently for each person.

 

[BobCatholic]

LOL!!!

I can’t help myself with this thread. My sympathies to souldiver the originator of this thread, BTW this question was a major sticking point for myself when I went through RCIA. It would seem, right or wrong, that it gets answered differently for each person.

That’s right. Every time I fail God I am Judas Iscariot. I feel like I’m better off never been born.

That’s why God’s mercy is the only hope.

 

[SnoopSword]

That’s right. Every time I fail God I am Judas Iscariot…

I wouldnt go that far. I’d try to seperate myself from Judas as much as possible. Recently people are making St. Peter into Judas:

-They declare St Peter as the Satan figure (get behind me…) when infact Jesus called Judas a DEVIL and was best if he wasnt born (possibly confirming God did not pre-destine him from birth, unlike Paul who was chosen from his mothers womb… in Galatians?)
-The Pentecostals especially say Judas was ‘saved’ because he was ‘born again’ and ‘worked miracles’, yet Jesus clearly warned 'Many will say ‘lord lord did we not do great signs in your name… i never knew you.’
-They claim that Judas should be honored for fulfilling God plan, and St. Peter falling short, despite no Church in history ever making Judas a Saint.

And i skipped some rabinnical praise and many off scripture things like the Gnostic writings that praise Judas as Jesus favorite who knew the truth. Judas is a special case and makes me so thankful I was not born into his particular group of people that walk the earth today. I truly do feel sorry for them and hope for their salvation.

But Judas himself is special and I would not recommend we feel ‘soft’ towards him or even incorporate lessons in his life with our own because we are not of the same. Remember Jesus called him a devil so we shouldnt be soft towards the devil. He also commited suicide which would put us against other teachings.

 

[PJM]

Just so I understand this: are you saying that Jesus does not have to be betrayed?

Not “MUST” rather WOULD BE is far more correct.

GOD **could have **found an alternative but CHOOSE NOT to:thumbsup:

 

[BobCatholic]

I’d try to seperate myself from Judas as much as possible.

I agree. I need God’s grace. Waiting for it. Waiting…waiting…waiting…

Tom Petty is right, the waiting is the hardest part.

 

[Tbrightson]

Well I’m amazed at how the Judas story was been lost over time and theres even confusion over who killed Jesus.

Jesus himself called Judas a devil. Why? Because Satan acts through his children on earth. John 8:44 explains this. These people are antichrist and only do the lusts of their father. Satan could thus enter in and out of Judas at will which implies Satan has soveign headship over his people. These people are imune from sin for this reason. That is why those who admit no sins have no Truth in them.

The real hard to swallow pill in this whole thing is the big lost teaching for obvious reasons. I dont know how to sugar coat this… but… Judas was actually the only ‘Jew’ of the disciples including Jesus, Mary, Paul, etc. I sincerely hope this is known as factual on the traditional section of this forum and how the non-existant three letter word ‘Jew’ replaced ‘Judean’ in the 18th century. Judas was essentially a son of Cain and had no God in him. He would have been precondemned long ago and without a choice.

Heres the thing though, for this to be possible, it implies that there truly is 2 seedlines on the earth (Gen 3, Mat 13?) and one of those seedlines are technically not ‘human’. Remember only Adamites human. The others others serve another father ard work as our opposition as Satans hands on earth (2 thes 1:15?)

I was blown away to find that the crazy reptilian shape shifting lore is actually based off the Biblical story and amazingly is very accurate to our reality.

I feel its important to recognize we arent like Judas, and Judas isnt like us. See him more as an non-human with a completely different soul composition who is not under the sight of God. Remember, human beings of Adam would not kill and betray Jesus.

Wear did I hear this talk before

Oh yes, here it is:

british-israel.ca/Seed.htm