Is it okay to not believe in certain non-doctrine teachings of the church? (evolution, abortion)

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Three of the most recent popes: John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, made statements about how they support and agree with the Theory of Evolution.

Yet, there are still Catholics who would support the literal story of creation as told in the Genesis. So there are issues that it’s okay for a Catholic to believe what is contrary to the teachings of Church fathers and elders?

Now, the church also repeatedly stress that human life begins at conception.

As a Catholic, is it okay to believe that human life begins at some other stage? e.g., when twinning is no longer possible, quickening, or when brain waves are first detected?
 
Three of the most recent popes: John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, made statements about how they support and agree with the Theory of Evolution.

Yet, there are still Catholics who would support the literal story of creation as told in the Genesis. So there are issues that it’s okay for a Catholic to believe what is contrary to the teachings of Church fathers and elders?

Now, the church also repeatedly stress that human life begins at conception.

As a Catholic, is it okay to believe that human life begins at some other stage? e.g., when twinning is no longer possible, quickening, or when brain waves are first detected?
Some Church fathers taught that the sun went round the earth. Many early Christians believed that he earth was flat.

The modern Church tends to leave the things of science to the scientists – the lesson of Galileo was well learned. AIUI, Biblical literalism is allowed, but not compulsory.

rossum
 
Some Church fathers taught that the sun went round the earth. Many early Christians believed that he earth was flat.

The modern Church tends to leave the things of science to the scientists – the lesson of Galileo was well learned. AIUI, Biblical literalism is allowed, but not compulsory.

rossum
As a Buddist I don’t believe it is within your purview to be giving advice on Catholicism.😉
To the OP you can always ask an apologist here in the forum site,or one of the priest’s on the forum site.
 
As a Buddist I don’t believe it is within your purview to be giving advice on Catholicism.😉
To the OP you can always ask an apologist here in the forum site,or one of the priest’s on the forum site.
Was my advice incorrect? Truth is truth.

rossum
 
I honestly have no idea.

I feel like I need a doctorate from Oxford or Cambridge to understand what is being said.

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Three of the most recent popes: John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, made statements about how they support and agree with the Theory of Evolution.

Yet, there are still Catholics who would support the literal story of creation as told in the Genesis. So there are issues that it’s okay for a Catholic to believe what is contrary to the teachings of Church fathers and elders?

Now, the church also repeatedly stress that human life begins at conception.

As a Catholic, is it okay to believe that human life begins at some other stage? e.g., when twinning is no longer possible, quickening, or when brain waves are first detected?
As long as you believe abortion is wrong. You don’t need to believe in evolution
 
The Church has no teaching on evolution. It is a matter of science, not theology. Having said that, there is no doubt that evolution has taken place among humans. For example, different races, hair, eye colors, etc…

Is it okay to believe that life begins at some point after conception? The answer is no. There is no question, from both a scientific and a religious point of view that human life begins at conception.

I hope that you are not referring to the permissibility of the deliberate destruction of innocent human life. There has been some theological debate in the distant past about when human life began but the Church has always forbidden abortion as murder. See the Didache, from apostolic times. Modern science, however, shows without a doubt that human life begins at conception.
 
The Church has no teaching on evolution. It is a matter of science, not theology. Having said that, there is no doubt that evolution has taken place among humans. For example, different races, hair, eye colors, etc…

Is it okay to believe that life begins at some point after conception? The answer is no. There is no question, from both a scientific and a religious point of view that human life begins at conception.

I hope that you are not referring to the permissibility of the deliberate destruction of innocent human life. There has been some theological debate in the distant past about when human life began but the Church has always forbidden abortion as murder. See the Didache, from apostolic times. Modern science, however, shows without a doubt that human life begins at conception.
Can you cite sources for life beginning at conception (I just want future references )
 
If it’s growing it’s alive.
If it has human parents it’s human.
As a human like you and me doesn’t it deserve life and respect.
 
Three of the most recent popes: John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, made statements about how they support and agree with the Theory of Evolution.

Yet, there are still Catholics who would support the literal story of creation as told in the Genesis. So there are issues that it’s okay for a Catholic to believe what is contrary to the teachings of Church fathers and elders?

Now, the church also repeatedly stress that human life begins at conception.

As a Catholic, is it okay to believe that human life begins at some other stage? e.g., when twinning is no longer possible, quickening, or when brain waves are first detected?
Catholics have to believe the entire Doctrine of the Church. This is pretty well summed up in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, linked below. You do not have to believe anything about evolution, you may accept Geneisis just as it is given. The Church has no teaching on the exact moment human life begins. However one may not accept abortion at all. The Church has always taught the all forms of abortion are gravely evil at any time - whether or not you think the embryo is human yet. Nor are you allowed to think that any form of contraception is acceptible. All forms of contraception are gravely evil, always.

If you have a question on a particular point ask your parish priest or other competent authority.

Linus2nd
 
Perhaps we are confusing some terms.

Human life begins when a human spermatozoid breaches the cell wall of a human ovule and become a zygote. PERIOD.

This is why the Church does not allow the use of anti-conceptive drugs or devices that prevent the zygote attachment to the uterine wall.

Now the Church has NO definitive teaching for WHEN “ensoulment” happens. And frankly it makes no difference from the scientific point a zygote has ALL the required potency to develop into a human being if given the chance.

 
Was my advice incorrect? Truth is truth.

rossum
Yes,not only was it incorrect.I noticed you just contradicted yourself.You stated truth is truth,which is true,however you have a quote at the bottom of your post that states otherwise,so which is it?
 
I have no idea where some Catholics get their information but I think the need to talk to someone with who can advise them accurately is needed. The Catholic Church has always taught and still does that the human race began from one set of parents, (Adam and Eve). God is the Creator. They are many things we don’t have the exact details about and maybe that’s why God didn’t fill us in. We need FAITH to believe. Do we TRUST HIM or someone’s opinion about how they “think” it happened. Why do you think it’s call the theory of evolution?? Because they don’t have all the facts !! God Bless, Memaw
 
Three of the most recent popes: John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, made statements about how they support and agree with the Theory of Evolution.
This is a very popular assumption due to the fact that many people do not realize that humans are different from the rest of creation. 😉
Obviously, Popes know that difference which is why the Catholic Church opposes the current “originating populations” evolution model when it is applied to humankind. The Catholic Church is firm about the Catholic doctrine that there is a population of two, Adam and Eve, who are the sole founders of the human species.
 
The Church has no teaching on evolution. It is a matter of science, not theology.
What is happening is that the Catholic Church challenges the current science of human evolution because it denies the Catholic doctrines (plural intended) on human origin. In other words, it is a good idea to check with Catholic doctrines about the human species. In addition, there is pertinent information in the encyclical Humani Generis, Pius XII, 1950, footnote 12 .🙂

If you have specific questions about post 15, I will do my best to answer them.
 
Yes,not only was it incorrect.I noticed you just contradicted yourself.You stated truth is truth,which is true,however you have a quote at the bottom of your post that states otherwise,so which is it?
My sig talks about ultimate truth, not ordinary truth.

We can have a long discussion about the contrast between the Catholic approach to truth in Aquinas, and the Madhyamika approach in Nargajuna, but this thread is not the place to do it.

rossum
 
This is a very popular assumption due to the fact that many people do not realize that humans are different from the rest of creation. 😉
Obviously, Popes know that difference which is why the Catholic Church opposes the current “originating populations” evolution model when it is applied to humankind. The Catholic Church is firm about the Catholic doctrine that there is a population of two, Adam and Eve, who are the sole founders of the human species.
Our difference from the rest of creation does not imply that our ongoing existence is not subject to the very same evolutionary processes of which the theory of evolution speaks, including random variations and natural selection.
 
Three of the most recent popes: John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, made statements about how they support and agree with the Theory of Evolution.

Yet, there are still Catholics who would support the literal story of creation as told in the Genesis. So there are issues that it’s okay for a Catholic to believe what is contrary to the teachings of Church fathers and elders?

Now, the church also repeatedly stress that human life begins at conception.

As a Catholic, is it okay to believe that human life begins at some other stage? e.g., when twinning is no longer possible, quickening, or when brain waves are first detected?
The Church has no teaching on evolution. It is a matter of science, not theology.
👍 Evolution and Creation are not mutually exclusive terms.
Is it okay to believe that life begins at some point after conception? The answer is no. There is no question, from both a scientific and a religious point of view that human life begins at conception.
I hope that you are not referring to the permissibility of the deliberate destruction of innocent human life. There has been some theological debate in the distant past about when human life began but the Church has always forbidden abortion as murder. See the Didache, from apostolic times. Modern science, however, shows without a doubt that human life begins at conception.
👍 The Doctrine of the Church teaches that “every spiritual soul is created immediately by God” (CCC 366, in the context of the procreative action of parents).

It also teaches (as Doctrine) “From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a “criminal” practice (GS 27 § 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life” (CCC 2322).

CCC 2271-2272 state (as Doctrine), "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.

Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,” “by the very commission of the offense,” and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society."

scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

Abortion is a matter of Doctrine. The beginning of life is a matter of both Doctrine and Science. Comparing evolution and abortion is like comparing the theory of relativity with a mathematical equation.
 
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