Is it possible that someone bad get canonized?

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aTraditionalist said:
I think this is what the OP is getting at. How can the Pope just decide without evidence? We cannot pass judgment on the state of a soul or even assume Our Lord’s judgement without proof of His blessing through that saint’s intercession. The Pope may be infallible on this, I’m not contesting that, but merely asking how does he know? I would be more than satisfied if he at least came out and said," I prayed on it" or there are not the traditional two miracles but wow look at what we found!

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Communication is so much better and faster today, I’m sure that helps. They do study everything about the life of the person, very carefully !! I think it’s better to do so while it’s still fresh in our memory. Don’t you think the Pope PRAYS before he does anything so serious for the Church. We can trust him and the guidance of the Holy Spirit always. God Bless. Memaw
 
aTraditionalist said:
I’ll play the devil’s advocate. For the record, I don’t doubt their holiness but what’s the rush? What would it hurt to have a second or even a third miracle? By most accounts the two popes in question seem to be examples of personal holiness. I immediately slow my roll in regards to the masses that beatified Pope JP II before he had even passed. I don’t doubt that all of this would have gone through in time but what’s the rush? Ten or twenty years are a drop in the bucket of Church history. Surely we could of waited until a second miracle. Do be fair, I distrust all rash decisions. In church time, barring cataclysmic events, 10+ years is no big deal.

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There have been Saints canonized centuries ago within 20 years or even through a declaration of a Pope shortly after their death.

He is the Pope. He has the authority given him by God. THat is enough for the faithful Catholic.
 
JReducation said:
There are several problems on this thread.
… He is the Pontiff of the Universal Church; therefore, every canonization has to be approved by him.

Most canonizations ARE ex cathedra. If one reads the rubrics for the rite of canonization or one simply watches a public canonization, you will notice that the rubrics say that the pope is to make the decree from the Chair of Peter.
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👍 sounds good to me!
 
What is there to be gained? I see much more to be lost. The faith of people who are simple or who are exploring Catholicism is being harmed by all of this nitpicking. It makes it sound as if a canonization is something so insignificant that everyone can sound in on it and every opinion is equally important or that it’s such a sublime mystery that the pope has to tread gingerly around it, as if he didn’t have the protection of the Holy Spirit in the matter.
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Dear Brother, I agree. The nitpicking is getting old and wearing thin even with me.

Wonderful to read your posts again! 👍
 
aTraditionalist said:
This was true until recently. It used to be centuries before a saint was confirmed as such. Now the requirements are being waved. The OP has a point in asking the question.

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*even now, canonisation is done after enough investigation. *
JerryZ said:
No. Beatification is the first step of the Canonization process, it means that the person lived in accordance with the Christian way and it is possible that he can be on his/her
way to Heaven, without precluding Purgatory. Canonization instead is the assurance that the person did make it to Heaven. I am sorry but the Canonization is meant to reassure US, not the Canonized that he/her is in Heaven.

NO.
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Mainly correct, but beatification is not the first step to canonisation.

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Memaw said:
Canonizations are not Ex Cathedra but they are Infallible. And it does mean the the Saint went straight to Heaven, NO purgatory! Good example for all of us. Read the lives of the Saints! God Bless. Memaw
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Many saints have went through purgatory.
Indyann said:
What is the point in waiting 25, 50, or hundreds of years? If it can be shown that a person lived a life of heroic virtue, no sense in waiting to formally have another Saint in the Communion of Saints.

Just more that we can ask for intercession. God is not stingy with His honors.
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A, we need time to investigate
B, we need to be sure that the saint is in heaven.
 
Jack007 said:
*even now, canonisation is done after enough investigation. *

Mainly correct, but beatification is not the first step to canonisation.

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Veneranle
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Many saints have went through purgatory.

A, we need time to investigate
B, we need to be sure that the saint is in heaven.
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Name me some Saints that the Church says went through Purgatory. I have never heard of that before. To be Canonized means to have gone straight to Heaven. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw and Jack are both partially correct. It can be said some Saints lived a life of purgatory, by giving their sufferings for the purification of themselves and others. As well, it is true that after transition from this life, Saints are considered to be in heaven.

Whether canonization is infallible is a debatable topic. Some arguments favor the view, others do not. Does it matter? Not really.
 
Memaw said:
Communication is so much better and faster today, I’m sure that helps. They do study everything about the life of the person, very carefully !! I think it’s better to do so while it’s still fresh in our memory. Don’t you think the Pope PRAYS before he does anything so serious for the Church. We can trust him and the guidance of the Holy Spirit always. God Bless. Memaw
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“Whatever you bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven”. It is really disconcerting that there are SO MANY doubting Thomas people.
 
Memaw said:
Name me some Saints that the Church says went through Purgatory. I have never heard of that before. To be Canonized means to have gone straight to Heaven. God Bless, Memaw
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the church doesnt teach so and so saints went straight to heaven and the others after purgatory. i read somewhere that thomas aquinas genuflected in purgatory, but it is not credible. to be canonised at means you are in heaven at that .
SyroMalankara said:
Memaw and Jack are both partially correct. It can be said some Saints lived a life of purgatory, by giving their sufferings for the purification of themselves and others. As well, it is true that after transition from this life, Saints are considered to be in heaven.
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i agree with you completely. this was what i was saying

Whether canonization is infallible is a debatable topic. Some arguments favor the view, others do not. Does it matter? Not really.
 
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