Is it possible to be a good Catholic and be pro choice?

[Neofight]

That’s one way to side step the issue!, we’re getting good at that!! God Bless, Memaw

I guess my lot in life is to speak only OF God and His mysteries and mercy instead of having the divine wisdom that only He has and therefore speak FOR Him. But, pray for me, and maybe I will someday join the ranks of the holy ones !

 

[polytropos]

I do beleive in Pro-Choice, God gave us free will, but I would hope that the mother making this choice would choose life.

God did give us free will, but in this case, you are saying that you would be complicit in someone using their free will to kill another human being. We do not just hope that would-be murderers do not kill; we have laws against it (even though those laws are sometimes violated).

As for Abortion, I put the church to blame for this. Back in the the 70’s, i had girls in school come up missing and 9 months later they reappeared. You all know what I am talking about. Children born of an un-wed mother were called bastarts or the devils seed. When these children were put in orphanges they there mistreated by the nuns and others because of how they started their life. Abortion was created to cover the sin. We even had our goverments create laws for closed adoptions. Again cover the sin. If you want abortion to go away, first the church has to ask forgiveness in its stand and take responiblitiy for the past.

I do not think the Church is primarily responsible for abortion (nor did it come about to cover up sins - it came about, like contraception, because people wanted to have non-procreative sex). There is a stigma associated with having children out of wedlock and/or at a young age. That is unfortunate. But it does not warrant giving children the death sentence.

Third, there are many out there that say the souls enters the body at conception and others believe that when a child takes thier first breath is when the soul enters the body. I myself do not know and for you others you are going by teachings by man with no proof. What did Jesus say about abortion? I would not want to be the person to condemn an unborn child to hell.

By this standard, we have no proof that an adult has a soul; we have no proof that human dignity exists. Consequentialists like Peter Singer will acknowledge this and argue that, if abortion is permitted, there is no reason to prohibit infanticide or those with mental illness/high medical bills.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Abortion is not only unCatholic, it’s not just unChristian, it is INHUMAN. There is a human
being in the womb of the woman getting an abortion, and the abortion kills that human be-
ing. I just attended mass today, and at the start of it was actually a video on a projector
screen delivering a message by Bishop Thomas Olmsted to the attending Catholics a-
bout putting a stop this holocaust (He was nice about it, keep in mind).

Will abortion still happen if it is made illegal nationwide and it isn’t performed by trained
doctors? Probably, but is it okay to be “Fine” with it being legal? NO. First, Second, &
Third Trimester, even Partial Birth Abortion, Abortion is still Abortion, & it is the EXACT
SAME THING AS MURDER.

Let me end with this: I used to be a Pagan, not so heavily bound by “Christian Morals”,
was a serious Goddess worshiper, very pro-woman feminist, but even then I was really
against abortion, I even got into many fights with many other Pagans of different ‘paths’,
so I’m not against abortion because it is unCatholic or unChristian, I’m against it as it is
INHUMAN** !!!
**
(I’m sorry, I’m glad you’re asking this question, but I just needed to share my thoughts so as to encourage the correct decision).

 

[johnnyc176]

I guess my lot in life is to speak only OF God and His mysteries and mercy instead of having the divine wisdom that only He has and therefore speak FOR Him. But, pray for me, and maybe I will someday join the ranks of the holy ones !

Jesus spoke much about sin, the devil and hell also. It is even mentioned in the prayer our Lord gave us. There’s a reason we ask St. Michael to defend us in battle…

 

[Memaw]

People are making like I am a monster for feeling the way I do. I think there is a big difference in being pro abortion and encouraging, paying for, or performing abortions and feeling the way I do, that abortion is a terrible thing, and I would try to discourage someone from haveing one any day of the week but believe that if abortions were outlawed, they would happen anyway, only in back alleys, so it is a bad idea to outlaw them.

Show me some proof that back-alley abortions were as abundant back then as the so called legal ones are today. It is mind boggling how many babies have died since our Supreme Court made it legal. A tiny baby dies in every abortion. Our laws should try it’s best to protect those babies, every single one of them if possible. You don’t make a murder legal just because you believe some will kill anyway. That is absolutely twisted thinking. And I don’t believe it will ever meet God’s approval. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Brendan]

People are making like I am a monster for feeling the way I do. I think there is a big difference in being pro abortion and encouraging, paying for, or performing abortions and feeling the way I do, that abortion is a terrible thing, and I would try to discourage someone from haveing one any day of the week but believe that if abortions were outlawed, they would happen anyway, only in back alleys, so it is a bad idea to outlaw them.

So what if I said that I was against rape. I would not advocated paying for anyone to be raped, and I would discourage someone from raping, but if rape continued to be outlawed, it will continue to happen and would happen in dangerous back alleys,

Would you consider me to be a good Catholic because I wanted legal rape so it wouldn’t happen in back alleys?

 

[Memaw]

Also, it’s not like I am ever going to run for high office, so it’s not like anything I ever do will promote abortions. It’s just my personal opinion.

Believe me, your “personal opinion” makes all the difference to God. That is what we are going to be judged on. Our personal opinion should ALWAYS be in union with GOD’S WILL, God Bless, Memaw

 

[mocap58]

Pray for conversion of heart.

Oh yes, the Church is to blame for people killing their babies.

Glad you agree

Yes, it was common then for girls to be responsible and do the best for the baby by giving the baby a good home with a two parent adoptive family. As opposed to KILLING their babies. I
No, it was common for parents to allow the girl to have the baby somewhere else to save face and forced to give it up for adoptions

In the movies.
No in real life

Oh please.

OMG do you actually believe that? Abortion is thousands of years old. Sin is old, old, old. It doesn’t change that is wrong.
How old is the churdh:

This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Really, think about it

Thou Shall Not Kill
You are correct and how many have been killed because of religion?

Is that a reason to kill him or her?

Again I said that I believe in pro choice, but I to would not aboprt a baby. Again God gives us free will. It is our responsibility to concsel those that are considering, Are you willing to open your heart or doors and have a yound girl stay with you until she has her baby or are you one of those that likes to quote, Thou shalt not Kill, but has no backbone to make a difference.

 

[Corki]

People are making like I am a monster for feeling the way I do. I think there is a big difference in being pro abortion and encouraging, paying for, or performing abortions and feeling the way I do, that abortion is a terrible thing, and I would try to discourage someone from haveing one any day of the week but believe that if abortions were outlawed, they would happen anyway, only in back alleys, so it is a bad idea to outlaw them.

As has been mentioned before, if you consider yourself “pro-choice” you have failed at some point in properly forming your conscience. There is no way that a Catholic with a properly formed conscience could consider abortion an acceptable action.

IF, on the other hand, you are pro-life and anti-abortion but disagree with the best way toget rid of the curse of legalized abortion, that is something else entirely. Some pro-lifers favor an all-in fight for a human rights amendment. Others favor and incremental approach. But the goal, the moral end, the ONLY moral end, it to not have legalized abortion.

 

[Corki]

Again I said that I believe in pro choice, but I to would not aboprt a baby. Again God gives us free will. It is our responsibility to concsel those that are considering, Are you willing to open your heart or doors and have a yound girl stay with you until she has her baby or are you one of those that likes to quote, Thou shalt not Kill, but has no backbone to make a difference.

Even knowing 1Ke only from these forums, I would lay money on the side that she would gladly accept and care for a woman in need of care and protection. As would I and thousands of other Catholics I know on CAF and IRL.

 

[YADA]

I would not give the person the money. I would try to discourage that person from having the abortion. As I said, on a persnal level, I would always try to discourage the person from having an abortion.

Please answer each and every question I posed to you …

You fail to answer all the questions and just reiterate your *“I would try to discourage that person from having the abortion.” *…

Why is that?

If abortion is legal [and you say you support leaving it legal] - then you can not really believe abortion is taking a human life - can you? - then why counsel someone not to obtain one? Its legal …

You failed to answer the questions on other crimes and whether they should be decriminalized based upon your reasons not to make abortion illegal … Why is that? Is it that if you answered them honestly - you would have to confront the illogical premise your position puts you in?

Does an abortion take a human life or not? It is an easy question to answer … Does abortion end the life of a human being? IF you answer “Yes” … then you know that one cannot support legalizing that murder … that abortion is the law of the land is immoral and a “good Catholic” should be working to make it illegal … regardless of whether some people would still procure or perform abortions …

So please answer each and every question I posed to you

 

[Brandall]

As long as the choice is always life, then yes, you can be a good Catholic and be pro choice.

I’ve scanned your posts and it appears you’ve had a tumultuous year. Before you choose to make a defiant stand against the church and her teachings, might I suggest you spend some time, a lot of it, working on your personal holiness and seeking God.

 

[mocap58]

As has been mentioned before, if you consider yourself “pro-choice” you have failed at some point in properly forming your conscience. There is no way that a Catholic with a properly formed conscience could consider abortion an acceptable action.

IF, on the other hand, you are pro-life and anti-abortion but disagree with the best way toget rid of the curse of legalized abortion, that is something else entirely. Some pro-lifers favor an all-in fight for a human rights amendment. Others favor and incremental approach. But the goal, the moral end, the ONLY moral end, it to not have legalized abortion.

You can insult me all you want, but God gave us free will and because of that I am Pro Choice, nothing more nothing less. As for me, Abortion would not be an option, but I am not to judge others.

Have you been one of the protesters with your signs, baby in a stroller on a hot day protesting. Or were you the one that offered your home and concousling to the pregnant girt. If you want the unborn to live, it starts with the mother. Open your heart and you too can see a change. Pro Choice is not the issue, the issue is, is the mothers life worth your time!

 

[mocap58]

As long as the choice is always life, then yes, you can be a good Catholic and be pro choice.

I’ve scanned your posts and it appears you’ve had a tumultuous year. Before you choose to make a defiant stand against the church and her teachings, might I suggest you spend some time, a lot of it, working on your personal holiness and seeking God.

That is funny. I just signed up today. So with that said, God said not to lie. I think that you should be working on your values instead of trying to insult me, May God foegive you

 

[Brandall]

You gotta be kidding me, it’s a dead baby not matter why or when its killed. I am completely baffled with opinions like yours. You like walking the fence? Foot in each camp etc. It truly don’t work that way, either you are pro -life or your not. I had a bumper sticker on my older car once that read. “Pro-choice, that’s a lie, Babies don’t choose to die!” I wish I could find one again. Abortion has always been a religious issue until they drug it ,by lying I might add, into our political legal system and now they say “Church keep your nose out of our business”. Why don’t they legalize all murders and even all thefts. There religious issues too. We could sure save money on our police force that way. You can kill my baby but by golly don’t steal my car. As for “back alley” abortions. I don’t believe they were near as dirty or deadly, at least for the mother, as the so called abortion mills out there today. If their women died, they got sent to jail. Boy not today, they get by with double murder sometimes. Don’t you ever watch the news? I would sincerely advise you to talk to a priest about this. How far do you think your opinion would go if you were standing before Our Lord? And one day, we will all have to do that. God Bless, Memaw

Here is a link for your Bumper Sticker Memaw christianlibertybooks.co.za/getmodule.php?id=listitems.php&menu_id=50

 

[YADA]

You can insult me all you want, but God gave us free will and because of that I am Pro Choice, nothing more nothing less. As for me, Abortion would not be an option, but I am not to judge others.

Have you been one of the protesters with your signs, baby in a stroller on a hot day protesting. Or were you the one that offered your home and concousling to the pregnant girt. If you want the unborn to live, it starts with the mother. Open your heart and you too can see a change. Pro Choice is not the issue, the issue is, is the mothers life worth your time!

I just cannot believe that people think that pro-life people do nothing for mothers and their babies after they are born … really - do you really believe that garbage?

My parish respect life group provides support to many organizations that provide medical care to pregnant women, rental assistance, supplies like diapers, cloths, cribs, car seats, food …

Outside of an abortion clinic two years ago a couple pregnant with their 4th child was seeking an abortion but say people praying … they approached the group - told their story and within a day - money was found for rent and groceries, they were provided information on seeking medical assistance - within days the unemployed husband was being offered work … today that child is one of four living children and the family has not been torn to bits - abortion not only kills a child but it harms mothers, fathers, siblings and society … this family still needs and receives aid …

We support organizations that house expectant mothers pre-birth and mothers and babies post birth. We support an organization that helps homeless singles and families move from living on the streets into permanent housing … we do fundraisers with a traveling crib - to get items needed to supply families with children … St Vincent de Paul, etc not to mention taking action when we know specific persons with specific needs …

Here are some of the specific charities we support:
momchildpdx.org/
[jo(name removed by moderator)dx.com/](http://jo(name removed by moderator)dx.com/)
ccswv.org/fathertaaffehomes.html

What do you do besides allow the child to be killed?

 

[CompSciGuy]

Outlawing rape will not prevent rapes from happening. They still happen all the time. Same with burglary, pedophilia, murder, and every crime under the sun. The question is should the state as a moral agent allow its citizens to legally do this? The answer is no.

And the answer to your original question is also no. It is not possible to be a good Catholic and pro-choice.

 

[Corki]

You can insult me all you want, but God gave us free will and because of that I am Pro Choice, nothing more nothing less. As for me, Abortion would not be an option, but I am not to judge others.

Have you been one of the protesters with your signs, baby in a stroller on a hot day protesting. Or were you the one that offered your home and concousling to the pregnant girt. If you want the unborn to live, it starts with the mother. Open your heart and you too can see a change. Pro Choice is not the issue, the issue is, is the mothers life worth your time!

I didn’t insult anyone. The post you quoted was not directed at you at all.

Free will can be used for good or for evil. And while we are not to judge the disposition of anyone’s soul, we most certainly are called to recognize and judge acts as good or evil.

And I am neither one of those extremes. (although I have been at demonstrations and held a sign or a rosary) I am the one that holds baby showers for women who find themselves in difficult situations, makes sure they have adequate medical and counseling support and joyfully welcomes the child when he/she arrives.

 

[Brandall]

That is funny. I just signed up today. So with that said, God said not to lie. I think that you should be working on your values instead of trying to insult me, May God foegive you

I wasn’t talking to you but thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut. I’m constantly working on my values and appreciate your support to that end.

My comment was to the original poster and I stand by my post.

 

[RRusso1982]

So you honestly say that a person who goes to mass, is active in his parish, volunteers a lot, and who personally thinks abortion is a terrible thing and would always try to talk someone out of having an abortion but in his heart believes that as a practical matter, it is not a good idea to outlaw abortions cannot be a good Catholic under any circumstances?