Is it possible to become filthy rich without losing your soul?

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mapleoak said:
There are sins which condemn one to hell (all mortal sin). There are degrees of mortal sin. Some sins deprive one not only of eternal life, but also can bring scandal. Others can profoundly affect society and lead others to ruin as well. One cannot look at all sins as being equal. Example, purposely eating meat on a Friday during Lent versus unjustly bringing about the demise of a nation through mass murder. Both will lead to hell unrepentant. Which would you say is worse?
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The idea that “sin is sin” and there are no degrees of sin is a product of a mindset “polluted by simplistic, PROTESTANT either/or style thinking.”😃
 
mapleoak said:
There are sins which condemn one to hell (all mortal sin). There are degrees of mortal sin. Some sins deprive one not only of eternal life, but also can bring scandal. Others can profoundly affect society and lead others to ruin as well. One cannot look at all sins as being equal. Example, purposely eating meat on a Friday during Lent versus unjustly bringing about the demise of a nation through mass murder. Both will lead to hell unrepentant. Which would you say is worse?
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That’s an obvious duh, but the fact remains that hell is the destination for anyone who fails to confess a mortal sin in sacramental confession.
 
Filthy stinkin’ rich is sinful

Noble, successful, affluent, and prosperous is virtuous.
 
summasix said:
Filthy stinkin’ rich is sinful

Noble, successful, affluent, and prosperous is virtuous.
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Mark Twain had it right. He and a friend were discussing a third man, who was quite wealthy. The friend said, “His money is tainted.”

And Mark Twain replied, “It’s twice tainted. 'Tain’t and 'tain’t yours.”😛
 
vern_humphrey said:
Once again, tax cheating is not limited to the rich. As I pointed out, all the millionaires I know use a tax accountant who is scrouplous in filing their returns.
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Of course, generalizing from your own experience is a very bad idea. Certainly there are honest wealthy people. But of course, there is also the incentive to cheat, and there are many who fall to the temptation.
It is prejudice that levels the charge of “tax cheat” at one class (the rich) and ignores such things as drug dealers not paying taxes in order to pretend tax cheating is exclusively confined to the despised “rich” class.
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I never claimed that cheating on taxes was confined to the wealthy. You were the one who claimed that all the crimes were committed by poor people. I just raised the issue that wealthy people do immoral things as well.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Mark Twain had it right. He and a friend were discussing a third man, who was quite wealthy. The friend said, “His money is tainted.”

And Mark Twain replied, “It’s twice tainted. 'Tain’t and 'tain’t yours.”😛
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God is rich…in grace. But its the same concept. Just the currency exchange between the dollar and the sacrament is a little fuzzy at the moment.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
That’s an obvious duh, but the fact remains that hell is the destination for anyone who fails to confess a mortal sin in sacramental confession.
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You said that saying there are degrees of sin is “dancing dangerously close to heresy”, which of course is false.
Not only that, but just as there are levels of reward in heaven, there are levels of punishment in hell. Ones eternal punishment is commensurate with the gravity of his offenses.
 
In addition, you are only considering the gravity of a sin in only terms of the impact it has on me (landing one in hell) rather than how it harms not only me, but the rest of society as well in terms of social justice. More harm, worse sin, greater degree or level of sin, greater the debt owed.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
I never claimed that cheating on taxes was confined to the wealthy. You were the one who claimed that all the crimes were committed by poor people. I just raised the issue that wealthy people do immoral things as well.
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There will be both rich and poor in heaven as well as in hell. To whom more has been given, more will be expected.
 
mapleoak said:
You said that saying there are degrees of sin is “dancing dangerously close to heresy”, which of course is false.
Not only that, but just as there are levels of reward in heaven, there are levels of punishment in hell. Ones eternal punishment is commensurate with the gravity of his offenses.
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I’ve heard that theory and have read some fascinating poetry on this subject, but I’m not certain if the idea of levels of punishment in hell is something taught infallibly by the Church or is a theological speculation.

The poster to which Vern “responded to” was not “sin is sin.” The comparison was mortal sin to mortal sin, not venial sin to mortal sin (which is obviously different).

Of course, to a right-winger, getting out of paying a tax isn’t a sin, it’s a virtue.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Of course, generalizing from your own experience is a very bad idea. Certainly there are honest wealthy people. But of course, there is also the incentive to cheat, and there are many who fall to the temptation.
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Is that the standard for research these days? To assume that people do things with no data to support it?
stinkcat_14 said:
I never claimed that cheating on taxes was confined to the wealthy.
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You suggested it very strongly – and ignored the most common form of tax cheating.
stinkcat_14 said:
You were the one who claimed that all the crimes were committed by poor people. I just raised the issue that wealthy people do immoral things as well.
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No, I didn’t – you raised the issue of the immorality of the “rich,” and I pointed out that most crimes are committed by people in the lower socio-economic strata – and the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report statistics back that up.
 
vern_humphrey said:
No, I didn’t – you raised the issue of the immorality of the “rich,” and I pointed out that most crimes are committed by people in the lower socio-economic strata – and the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report statistics back that up.
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Does that, in your mind, therefore mean that poverty is a sure sign of reprobation and prosperity a sure sign of God’s favor?
 
mapleoak said:
You said that saying there are degrees of sin is “dancing dangerously close to heresy”, which of course is false.
Not only that, but just as there are levels of reward in heaven, there are levels of punishment in hell. Ones eternal punishment is commensurate with the gravity of his offenses.
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You only say things like that because you’ve let your mindset be polluted by simplistic, PROTESTANT either/or style thinking. 😃
 
LCMS_No_More said:
Does that, in your mind, therefore mean that poverty is a sure sign of reprobation and prosperity a sure sign of God’s favor?
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You only ask questions like that because you’ve let your mindset be polluted by simplistic, PROTESTANT either/or style thinking. 😃
 
vern_humphrey said:
You only say things like that because you’ve let your mindset be polluted by simplistic, PROTESTANT either/or style thinking. 😃
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I am sure you meant to respond to this?
LCMS_No_More said:
I’ve heard that theory and have read some fascinating poetry on this subject, but I’m not certain if the idea of levels of punishment in hell is something taught infallibly by the Church or is a theological speculation.
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mapleoak said:
I am sure you meant to respond to this?
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Yep.

He only says things like that because he’s let his mindset be polluted by simplistic, PROTESTANT either/or style thinking.

(For those who don’t understand, go look at the lad’s profile.)
 
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