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mapleoak
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Out of respect I would encourage you to also put the word “Saint” in front of Saint Paul.
Yes Saint Paul is right since his word is contained in Sacred Scripture and is therefore inerrant.
Is it possible to become filthy rich without losing your soul?
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Yes Saint Paul is right since his word is contained in Sacred Scripture and is therefore inerrant.
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para8888
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You’ve got this mental imagery of poverty and crime as the guy wearing his gold chain dog collar and acting like a pimp in the hood.
The effects of poverty are far more complex that your simplistic view. It’s far more complicated than your view of “they just need to act right”
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para8888
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I don’t respect any man or woman more than another, or less than another. Everyone is the same in my book…“saint” or not. Thank You.Out of respect I would encourage you to also put the word “Saint” in front of Saint Paul.
Yes Saint Paul is right since his word is contained in Sacred Scripture and is therefore inerrant.
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vern_humphrey
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I’ve taken quite a few courses in that subject, and all the professors and texts tend to agree.
Now, have you talked to most criminologists? If not, what is the basis of your theory?
Agreed – but that doesn’t cause crime.
Much of what you’re talking about is the impact of the Great Society, coupled with the failure of the Public School system.
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rlg94086
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Please don’t tell me what my “mental imagery” of poverty is. I grew up poor. Now, if I’m not careful
, I may end up “filthy rich” by some people’s standards.My “mental imagery” of poverty is of my mom, working hard as a secretary to raise us; of going to schools in the “barrio” where gangs were rampant, but keeping my nose clean (as many other kids did/do) and graduating high school alive and well; of hard-working people in my neighborhood who chose to live within their means. Now, in fairness, most of those people, though “poor” were not below the poverty line. It isn’t that difficult to rise above poverty.
The example I gave regarding the drug dealer is the reason people who are in poverty do choose crime. It pays…temporarily. No one chooses crime because they are poor. They choose crime because they see it as a shortcut to being “rich.” (parenthesis due to the fact that “rich” is relative…it could mean lower middle class to some.)
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para8888
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If a child is born into an impoverished family, they already have the deck stacked against them. Family, Schools, their social network is already setup for low expectation. Some rise above it, most do not…
Every single case is different and complex, but one thing is for sure, poverty sets people up for a much greater likelihood that they will become a statistic…
My nephew is a police officer. I’ve done plenty of ride-a-longs and seen enough to convince me.
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vern_humphrey
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Is that the limit of your education in this field?
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para8888
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We could have a couple of threads going and never agree on this.Please don’t tell me what my “mental imagery” of poverty is. I grew up poor. Now, if I’m not careful
My “mental imagery” of poverty is of my mom, working hard as a secretary to raise us; of going to schools in the “barrio” where gangs were rampant, but keeping my nose clean (as many other kids did/do) and graduating high school alive and well; of hard-working people in my neighborhood who chose to live within their means. Now, in fairness, most of those people, though “poor” were not below the poverty line. It isn’t that difficult to rise above poverty.
The example I gave regarding the drug dealer is the reason people who are in poverty do choose crime. It pays…temporarily. No one chooses crime because they are poor. They choose crime because they see it as a shortcut to being “rich.” (parenthesis due to the fact that “rich” is relative…it could mean lower middle class to some.)
Back to original topic of this thread----
It makes me sick to my stomach to see people questioning whether being rich makes you a immoral…or wanting to be rich. Unless you are doing something illegal…being rich is a beautiful thing. It means you are supplying a service or product that helps people, in one way or another.
Should people limit their contribution over fear of contradicting a bible scripture?..If I get too rich then I won’t get into heaven because as everyone knows “it’s harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to fit through the eye of a needle” (or something along those lines)
Hogwash. Think big…Make lots of money. The more you contribute the more you earn…
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para8888
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No it’s not.
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mapleoak
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And your religion is etc.?
And would you say that you are the same as a serial killer?
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rlg94086
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Yes. Understood. You don’t feel that you have a decent argument, so it is better to just say you will never agree.
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para8888
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Glad to see you are taking things to the extreme. I think you know exactly what I meant. I judge people by their actions, not by their titles.
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para8888
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It’s you that doesn’t have a decent argument.Yes. Understood. You don’t feel that you have a decent argument, so it is better to just say you will never agree.
For you it’s all so simple.
Welcome to reality.
How many posts will it take before you see we will never agree?
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mapleoak
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Quite interesting. Having been poor as a child, I don’t remember having had the deck stacked against me. May you are confused with something else.
I was never in the least likely to become a statistic because I was poor. Maybe you are confused with something else.
And did you get out and ask the ‘thugs’ what their motive was?
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para8888
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Oh Yeah, and I guess you’re the self-proclaimed poster child for poverty now…
Maybe you could run for mayor and clean it all up?
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rlg94086
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You are partially correct. Being rich is neutral, when it comes to morality.
It is our attachment to material goods (i.e. putting money ahead of God) that is sinful. The reason Jesus made the “eye of a needle” statement is not because the rich man was immoral. By his own admission, the man had “kept all of the Commandments.” The problem was that he was too attached to his wealth to give it all up for God.
To you, this may be “hogwash,” but I have no idea what your religious beliefs are. As Christians, we take Christ’s words very seriously.
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para8888
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I think you are well aware of how people have used and twisted that statement to inflict guilt on those with high financial goals.
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rlg94086
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For me it’s simple? All you have said is that poverty leads to crime. Sounds simple.
The fact that I grew up poor may give you a small clue that I am very rooted in reality, thank you very much. If you have something more substantial to offer then ‘poverty leads to crime,’ then please post it.
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para8888
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and if you have something more substantial to post than “look at me…I did it” please post…For me it’s simple? All you have said is that poverty leads to crime. Sounds simple.
The fact that I grew up poor may give you a small clue that I am very rooted in reality, thank you very much. If you have something more substantial to offer then ‘poverty leads to crime,’ then please post it.
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rlg94086
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Indeed. That’s why I said you are “partially correct.” Vern and I have been debating the original poster ad nauseum about the possibility of becoming “filthy rich” without losing your soul. My answer has been a definite “yes” they can. IMO the possibility of losing your soul is equal, regardless of one’s financial or social standing.
I think it is just as inane to assume that the rich are more prone to immorality as it is to asssume that the poor are more prone to immorality. On a person-by-person basis, we are all fallen human beings and therefore all equally likely to sin.
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