Is it possible to sin after you get to heaven?

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Is it possible to sin after you get to heaven? :confused:
How about just reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church? That will save you a lot of time.
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

The teachings of the Church are what they are. We are all aware that you think they are dumb. So what? That doesn’t mean anything, we don’t have to justify our beliefs to you or to anyone. Why you are here is a big mystery. Why are you??? 👍
 
Therefore while his will is still is own and (a priori, before considering his state of being etc.) he could still sin, because of the transformation and perfection he undergoes while entering into heaven he absolutely freely decides never to sin and, again absolutely freely, never changes his mind and decides to sin.
so its still possible. thats all i’m asking. 🙂

i wonder if the others here agree.
 
so its still possible. thats all i’m asking. 🙂

i wonder if the others here agree.
Possible a priori, before taking into account the perfection we freely undergo as we enter heaven. In the sense that the option is (sort of) open but the person in heaven would, because of who and how he is, absolutely never ever even come close to choosing it. It would never happen. It could never happen. But it’s not that it can’t happen because our ability to make choices is removed but because we are such that we would (freely) never decide to make such a choice.

And of course this is just my understanding. I could be wrong, but obviously I don’t think so at this time.
 
so its still possible. thats all i’m asking. i wonder if the others here agree.
God did not create us free to later take away our freedom.

God created us “in God’s image and likeness”. And God by His very nature is absolutely and perfectly free.

Does that answer your true question?

Because clearly this is only a superficial question hinting to something greater you are trying to understand, or to a point you are trying to make.

“There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.” Lk 18:7
 
It is impossible to sin in an incorruptible body.
I am a bit confused…the angels were pure spirits and yet they sinned…there must be something even after receiving a fully perfect body that confirms our free will and free choice to do good…I don’t think it’s as simple as removing the imperfections of the flesh…then again I could be mistaken.

I mean, the answer to the OP is obviously no, saints do not sin 😃 no point in even discussing. But these exchanges of thoughts can be edifying to some extent.
 
so angels have a choice, but the saved do not. rebellion is made impossible. 🤷
No…they have made the choice whether to be with God (angels) and whether to not be with God (fallen angels).
 
in short choice had been disabled.
That’s not what I said, but rather the will has been perfected. Freedom doesn’t mean you have to pick a certain option. In our theology, Christ incarnate had free will, yet he never sinned.
 
do angels have material fallen natures too? as i understand many of them rebelled! right? 🤷
Angels do not have fallen nature that will make then fall into sin. Based on the book about angels that I’ve read, it is said that when God made the angels, he made them with a will that is * supremely free*. It is by making an act of love for God that a spirit, whether an angel or a human soul, fits itself for heaven. The love can be proved- * by a free and vouluntary submission of the will of God** which we commonly call an “act of obedience” or an act of loyalty. God made the angels with free will so that they might be capable of making their act of love, their choice of God. * Only after they had done so (by putting them to a test) would they see God face to face; only then would they enter into that everlasting union with God *.
God has not made known to us the nature of the test to which the angels were put. Many theologians think that God gave the angels the preview of Jesus Christ, the plan of Incarnation, the sufferrings he will undergo, the humiliations and the crucifixion and God commanded them to adore Him. According to this theory, some of the angels rebelled at this idea that they would have to adore God in a guise of a man… Conscious of their own spiritual beauty and their dignity, they could not bring themselves to the act of submission that adoration of Jesus Christ would demand of them (perhaps they think “Why would we adore God in a guise of the human being? Humans are lower than us!”). One of the angels, the greatest of them, named Lucifer lead the rebellion and said “We (some version say “I”) will not serve!” They’ve done that out of their *own, perfect will *, without any weaknesses such as that in us, human beings.

Same principle, once a human being, reached the beatific vision, their will is going to be completely perfect, without any weaknesses that will make them fall into sin. They will no longer be tempted or tested, since they have already proven themselves while they are still on earth.*
 
That’s not what I said, but rather the will has been perfected. Freedom doesn’t mean you have to pick a certain option. In our theology, Christ incarnate had free will, yet he never sinned.
👍 This.🙂 Once a human being has reached beatific vision (heaven), his will becomes perfect in a sense that they become * fully aware * of their own will. Since it perfect, they are fully aware of the effect of sin, to them and their relationship with God. Being fully aware means they won’t do anything sinful in nature. “Free will” is not a matter of being able to choose, but rather “being aware” (as well as being able to discern) of your thoughts and actions before you even start doing it, IMO (in the case of people who are able to reach heaven, this has been perfected already, that they won’t even think of any sin)

And ofcourse, since they will no longer subjected to the temptation of the devils, it is impossible for them, even to think of such sin anymore. Heaven won’t be “heaven” if the “powers of hell” can actually work in it, through sin.
 
so like there is no free will anymore?
According to certain religious Jews, when our soul sees God face to face, we cease to exist! Moreover, there is nothing that exists except God!
 
Is it possible to sin after you get to heaven? :confused:
Excellent question, my friend! Here are a few concepts to consider:
  1. In consideration of your particular wording, especially, “…you get to…”, I would simply respond, “no”. Reason being, the only way to get to heaven is for you to freely choose to follow Jesus, and in doing so, you will become a partaker in the divine nature, which means you will understand how and why to live in unity with God, therefore you will become capable of freely choosing not to sin ever again.
  2. How do you define heaven?
    Given the definition of heaven: experiencing limitless happiness with unbreakable peace.
    Given this definition there are two methods methods of validating both sides of the question.
    A. No. It is impossible to sin after you get into heaven because if you ever experience or cause any disturbance, then you were never made it to heaven.
    B. Yes. If you consider a limited perspective of time, then a person can experience an instance of heaven. However, I would not term this as a person “getting to” heaven, instead I would term this as a person getting a taste of heaven.
  3. Given the definition of heaven: the place where Jesus ascended to after resurrection.
    Then, it is impossible to sin once you get there because God will ensure that you have freely chosen to live according to the greatest commandment by freely embracing the cross daily and freely living in unity with the Sacraments of His Church.
Thank you very much for the great food for thought! I look forward to further discussion!
 
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