Is it Right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that attack the American Way of Life?

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Bullfighter said:
Is it Right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that attack the American Way of Life?

My town not only has sanctuary for the invader but also refuses to aid or assist in any form the lawful Federal authorities.

**These invaders use the Catholic Church and other religious organizations as a home base to attack all the principles of the American way of life and to force local communities to adopt laws that make it easier for the invading criminals to overthrow our **America.

**This is no joke. This threatens every American citizen and the **America YOUR fathers fought for. IT MUST BE STOPPED!

Here is the website of an organization that is run out of the address of a Catholic Church in my town. This is the law that was forced on the people of an American town by Mexicans:

http://www.interfaithleadership.net/accomplishments.html

**Here is the same website bragging about how they forced a neighboring community to stop legislation that would allow the school districts and the town to share information about unlawful housing and registration benefits that illegals are receiving. **

http://www.interfaithleadership.net/issues.html

Notice how the language is such as to make it sound like a noble idea to keep families of immigrants together. I know people that are forced to sell their homes and leave that town because of the gang elements now forcing their way into the schools. But I guess these groups don’t warn people about that. They only want to overrun another American town like they did mine.

You can’t let this happen. If you do, there will be no safe place to live in America. Your children’s future depends on what you do today!
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I came onto this thread late but it appears to me, it has gone from one extreme to the other. I see your justified frustration with the situation in your town – BTW, just where is Cicero? We are also becoming more aware of the crisis with the border states in being unable to stop the very real criminal element there relating to the drug wars; murder, kidnapping and human trafficking, and the helplessness of the Border Patrol to contain these situations. Yours is certainly not an isolated situation and something law enforcement (on all levels) is eventually going to have to deal with.

You claim no religious affiliation and yet you are appealing to the Catholics because their church is funding these kinds of groups. And yes, you are correct – the USCCB has been funding them, but until recently most of us were not aware of it, and the faithful of the church are taking steps to rectify this. Having said that, however, please also know the following:

Most of the posters on CAF are faithful, devout Catholics, and we love our Church, despite the problems we have faced over the centuries. We try to live the social justice message of honoring the human person before all else, and believe that all life is sacred, and furthermore, that the commonwealth of the earth needs to be shared. If we do less than this, we cannot live out the gospel message of Christ.

Someone earlier stated that the immigration fiasco is complex and this is so true. I also personally believe it is purely political and a way for some in our government to advance their own agenda. We have been duped on both sides of the border and I think that what you are failing to realize is that the Mexicans have been enticed here (for whatever reason) by all manner of rights and privileges and that has emboldened them. We fully understand that current immigration laws are not being enforced. The Chamber of Commerce recently filed a lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security. How crazy is that? There are many in this country who are worried about our national identity and sovereignty. With millions of illegals crossing our border, it has become an invasion and the numbers alone testify to the fact that this is being allowed unconstitutionally. As both a conservative and a Constitutionalist, I believe in following the rule of law and yet we cannot limit our compassion toward those who have been unfairly treated.

I also live in a town where illegals are being harbored. If I were to discover them what would I do? Most likely, help with their immediate needs – food, clothing and shelter and try to communicate to them that they really do need to go home and get in line with the tens of thousands of others who are trying to enter legally. What an incredible mess it all is!
 
ElizabethPH said:
I thought polkadots was referring to Bullfighter who does claim Catholic in his profile. The truthsavesu person doesn’t. 🤷
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Okay, now I’m really confused! I clicked on the profile for Bullfighter yesterday, but truthsavesu came up. Am I going nuts?
 
Tigg said:
Okay, now I’m really confused! I clicked on the profile for Bullfighter yesterday, but truthsavesu came up. Am I going nuts?
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Well I’d bet money that they are one and the same seeing as bullfighters last activity is on this thread on the date truthsavesu joined (and only posted in this thread)

Maybe it went straight to the other profile because of something to do with IPs? I don’t know for sure though I’m about as technological as a sledgehammer.
 
LDNCatholic said:
Well I’d bet money that they are one and the same seeing as bullfighters last activity is on this thread on the date truthsavesu joined (and only posted in this thread)

Maybe it went straight to the other profile because of something to do with IPs? I don’t know for sure though I’m about as technological as a sledgehammer.
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oh I see…I’ve been following this thread since he posted and I clicked on his profile (BF’s) after reading his first post. And upon reading truthsavesu first post I did the same… It didn’t dawn on me they were the same person.:rolleyes: sorry about that :o
 
truthsavesu said:
If the United States declared war on Mexico, who side would you be on.
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Doesn’t that depend on a lot of things, like what the circumstances of the war are?

True patriotism is not supporting your country whether it is right or wrong, as Stephen Decatur would have, but making sure that the actions of your country are right.
 
truthsavesu said:
If the United States declared war on Mexico, who side would you be on.
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I would be on the side of my Citizenship and do as the Commander and Chief ordered. I may even find some with Mexican heritage in the service along side me.

But this has not happened. If so, it would be much like our own Civil War was… neighbor against neighbor. And did we ever do damage to each other… who won???
 
Lujack said:
True patriotism is not supporting your country whether it is right or wrong, as Stephen Decatur would have, but making sure that the actions of your country are right.
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The time for this is LONG before the war is declared.

Letters to the powers that be, to help them vote on your behalf, and call to question what is happening, before it escalates. If diplomacy fails… then patriotism is serving your country with honor.
 
Michael_David said:
The time for this is LONG before the war is declared.

Letters to the powers that be, to help them vote on your behalf, and call to question what is happening, before it escalates. If diplomacy fails… then patriotism is serving your country with honor.
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And if your country starts an unjust war, do you fight? Not arguably unjust, but a random invasion of Sweden or something where its clear whose in the wrong.
 
Michael_David said:
The time for this is LONG before the war is declared.

Letters to the powers that be, to help them vote on your behalf, and call to question what is happening, before it escalates. If diplomacy fails… then patriotism is serving your country with honor.
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And what if the war does not correlate at all with the ‘Just War’ theory. What comes first? Your country or the God who put you there?
 
pnewton said:
I have been in law enforcement most my adult life. I have on my desk the number to INS investigations and we regularly report illegal aliens when we come in contact with them as criminals. I know the investigator who determines immigration status as he is a frequent visitor. I only say this because I know some agencies have nothing to do with reporting immigration violation of criminals. I really don’t have much contact with the non-criminal element of illegal immigrants, with the one exception of those in large groups who trespass onto railroad property for shelter. They are routinely deported.
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No wish to belabor the point, and I realize that those who present to you are actual criminals, but for the record, the term “illegal alien” does not exist in the terminolgy of US oversight.

The terms are “illegal immigrants” or “Illegal persons” or “undocumented persons” or “undocumented children/minors.” I spent two years working with that last category - and it was recently, in the late 1990s. This is the term used by the US Justice Department.
 
catharina said:
No wish to belabor the point, and I realize that those who present to you are actual criminals, but for the record, the term “illegal alien” does not exist in the terminolgy of US oversight.
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Perhaps I referring to actual extraterrestrials. You never know. I know that the term is not used any more, but I have been doing the same thing thing since the 80’s and grew up here in Texas. The word used to be the most common one used. I do not use it often, but sometimes I slip into old folk mode. I do not change as fast as the federal government, but then I am a lot more stable than politicians.
 
pnewton said:
Perhaps I referring to actual extraterrestrials. You never know. I know that the term is not used any more, but I have been doing the same thing thing since the 80’s and grew up here in Texas. The word used to be the most common one used. I do not use it often, but sometimes I slip into old folk mode. I do not change as fast as the federal government, but then I am a lot more stable than politicians.
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RE: illegal alien. It is a factually and legally correct term, despite the PC jargon adopted by management during the tenure of the past two administrations.

oops…almost forgot…consultwebs.com/legal_glossaries/immigration_naturalization_glossary/glossaryd.html
 
These days the American way of life is Abortion many other things. So if you mean is right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that attack abortion, euthanasa, pro-choice and anti-Christianity then yes
 
pnewton said:
Perhaps I referring to actual extraterrestrials. You never know. I know that the term is not used any more, but I have been doing the same thing thing since the 80’s and grew up here in Texas. The word used to be the most common one used. I do not use it often, but sometimes I slip into old folk mode. I do not change as fast as the federal government, but then I am a lot more stable than politicians.
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Dude, you mean like ET? For sure. Total alien.
However, as a Real Old Folk, I’m used to being “updated” (Corrected).
Maybe five times a day or five times a week.
Regarding all ‘tech’ matters: twenty times a day.
 
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