You mean, like when s. Joseph and Our Lady fled to Egypt with the newborn Christ?Is it right or wrong to provide prenatal care for illegal immigrants?
However, giving them in-state tuition, when the children of military members cannot receive in-state tuition, is criminal in my mind.Thanks for the responses. I guess I feel that I stand with Senator Flood (the state senator mentioned in the article). I feel that if illegal immigrants are here, why not give them prenatal care to children who will be American citizens. Same thing goes for kids who were born to illegals here, or moved here with their parents. I’m not for free healthcare, but I do think they should get the same benefits as other kids.
I guess the other reason i’m against it is that with some people (definitely not most though) its thinly veiled racism. I understand people don’t want others taking our money when they aren’t entitled to it, but i doubt there are a lot of leeches crossing the border. To me the leeches are those who live in this country and don’t do jack and sit on welfare. I’m a lot more lenient on immigrants, especially those who want to stay.
That could be said of many citizens as well.I think it is wrong that an illegal alien should bring a child into the world that they don’t have the ability to care for. When the state steps in to provide care I believe the state should not take half measures.
I agree. My problem with bills like the one in the OP is that they do not provide prenatal care for all women - only to some groups of women as defined by the current legislature.To deny a woman and her baby prenatal care is wrong. period. fullstop.
Thats a thing this article forgot. All women in Nebraska are eligible according to my knowledge. This article makes it look like only illegals get the careI agree. My problem with bills like the one in the OP is that they do not provide prenatal care for all women - only to some groups of women as defined by the current legislature.
So the question becomes, is it moral to provide free prenatal care for mothers who are also illegal immigrants while denying it to other groups of women?
Are they all eligible or is it means tested?Thats a thing this article forgot. All women in Nebraska are eligible according to my knowledge. This article makes it look like only illegals get the care
There is something to be said for this position.There’s nothing inherently wrong in providing care. But, it is absolutely wrong for it to be provided at taxpayer expense. If private charities and religious organizations want to pay for it, that’s fine, but taxpayers should not have to spend money on people who do not respect our laws.
No, it is not right nor proper. We Catholics cannot in good conscience say that we are pro-life but only limit that to American citizens carrying American citizens. Any baby in the womb deserves care.And the other question… is it right or proper to deny the unborn child medical care, as it is not their choice to be in another country illegally?
I have to say it is refreshing to hear of a Catholic politician that is both pro-life, and he does not thing a correct position on abortion absolves him of all other moral issues. Yes, he is correct. Life is valuable from conception to the grave, regardless of national origin.However, the main sponsor of reinstating these benefits, who is not only a strong abortion opponent but a devout Catholic and conservative, mentioned how he felt that the government needed to support this because of his pro life views.
Well - that’s the crux of the problem. How do we fulfill our moral obligation to needy people without encouraging them to come here for the free stuff? I worked L&D in a California hospital for many years, and the number of illegal women I cared for was staggering. And they did not pay a dime for their care. Many times their babies ended up in the NICU, due to prematurity or infection or whatnot, and none of that care ever got paid for either. It’s simply not sustainable to say “everybody come on down for tens of thousands of dollars in free care!” As a lactation consultant, this was THE hardest group of women to work with, because culturally they do not believe in breastfeeding. Their husbands disallow it and the women generally refuse to try and want to be sent home with free formula. We try to explain how inferior formula is for their babies, we spend hours attempting to help - no dice. The cultural bias for formula is crazy strong.There is something to be said for this position.
We are allowed to protect our borders, to have a secure sovereign nation. Policies/laws like these are indeed important for the women who are pregnant right now. However, they encourage women to come to the jurisdiction and *become pregnant, *which touches on the security of our borders and encouraging illegal immigration.
That’s the part I have trouble with. If the law was only in effect for nine months, to handle the illegal immigrant women pregnant *right now, *and if an illegal immigrant becomes pregnant after that they are on their own, that would almost be fair.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.W
- A woman crossing the border into this country while pregnant, if she gives birth on this side of the border, is now mother to an American citizen. Like it or not, that’s the way our 14th Amendment reads. That’s one huge problem because there are people coming here from China and other areas of the world to give birth to citizens. That needs fixing.
We will have to have to political will to do that, though. So far, it hasn’t happened.Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The first sentence bolded part has been traditionally applied to the children of foreign diplomats, who are not automatically granted US citizenship, since the parent is a diplomat under the jurisdiction of a foreign power - their employer, who they represent.
All it takes is for a federal court to rule that the citizen of a foreign country in this country illegally is under that home country’s jurisdiction and birthright citizenship is curtailed. Doesn’t take an amendment.
Yes yes yes yes yes! Someone has common sense!!! Bugs me so much when people assume that just being born in the country makes them a citizen. No, your parent’s (it only takes one in the case) citizenship makes a huge difference. This is why my sister, cousin, and nephew, all born in foreign countries, are still American citizens.Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The first sentence bolded part has been traditionally applied to the children of foreign diplomats, who are not automatically granted US citizenship, since the parent is a diplomat under the jurisdiction of a foreign power - their employer, who they represent.
All it takes is for a federal court to rule that the citizen of a foreign country in this country illegally is under that home country’s jurisdiction and birthright citizenship is curtailed. Doesn’t take an amendment.
But no one has yet answered the question I posed. Is this free pre-natal care for everyone or only certain groups of women including illegal immigrants?I have to say it is refreshing to hear of a Catholic politician that is both pro-life, and he does not thing a correct position on abortion absolves him of all other moral issues. Yes, he is correct. Life is valuable from conception to the grave, regardless of national origin.
Every woman should have pre-natal care.But no one has yet answered the question I posed. Is this free pre-natal care for everyone or only certain groups of women including illegal immigrants?
Indeed. What is up with the use of the phrase social justice as a slur? I hate government programs more than all of you so I understand that, but I think some people let their opposition to government programs harden their hearts to those in need.
- Since these people are here, we Catholics especially have an obligation to help them. That is charity, and there is no argument with our social justice tenets.
In fact, leaving the border so open causes many deaths every year, that are never discussed. The land-owners along the border have to deal with burial of bodies from immigrants that don’t make it; their families are never notified because they don’t have an identification on them. And then there is the huge problem of human trafficking…which plays right back into Planned Parenthood because that is where the girls and women are taken for birth control and abortions.
I know you don’t want to hear this TRJ but the drug war is one of the biggest parts of the problem!Oh, it’s a mess all right…
Why would I not want to hear it? Because our solutions are 180 degrees opposed? Legalizing marijuana is not going to make the problem go away. It will only make things worse. But that’s not the subject of this thread.Indeed. What is up with the use of the phrase social justice as a slur? I hate government programs more than all of you so I understand that, but I think some people let their opposition to government programs harden their hearts to those in need.
There’s also a touch too much of the “get rid of the darkies!” attitude behind this for my liking.
I know you don’t want to hear this TRJ but the drug war is one of the biggest parts of the problem!