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JillianRose
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Just be careful. Learn factual information on their beliefs but leave it at that. I get so scared. I am a chicken by nature. I have to sleep with a night lite on after reading revelation. LOL
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JillianRose
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Or driving your husband crazy because your 33 with a nite light on!! LOL
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punisherthunder
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I will disagree with some on this post.
Sometimes it is best to know what you are up against. A few years ago, I was tipped off about a name of some metal band that I liked was actually the name of a demon
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I found some info online letting me know the names of most demons and it really opened my eyes up to the disguise of demons and the vices they try to control over humans on a daily basis.
Sometimes it is best to know what you are up against. A few years ago, I was tipped off about a name of some metal band that I liked was actually the name of a demon
!I found some info online letting me know the names of most demons and it really opened my eyes up to the disguise of demons and the vices they try to control over humans on a daily basis.
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ChibiViolet
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Also, I fogot to mention Wikipedia seems to be safe to use for researching these kinds of things.
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AlanFromWichita
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Some people want to stay comfy and cozy within the pasture that is the Church. 
Others, like the OP and me, want to go out and fight spiritual battles. :knight2:
You can’t have spiritual warriors who are afraid of engaging the enemy. To engage the enemy effectively, you have to learn the enemy. And vice versa, learning the enemy requires engaging the enemy. And if you are smart you do what you can to study tactics, which is really all you’re asking. :newidea:
I say let’s go kick it. I’m Catholic but I talk to all sorts of people. I have some new agers who are friends on facebook so I can keep track of what they are saying. (What is it, keep your friends close and your enemies closer?) I like some of their ideas about a unity that transcends religious boundaries, but when they talk of astral projection and pyramids and crystals and tarot readings and chakras and all, they have made as much of an established religion out of their stuff. A lot of it is how they communicate. For example, if they say, “I’m vibrating at a high frequency,” that means they are “having a nice day.”
Don’t worry, those who wish to stay inside. We’ll handle it out there. Remember we’re all different parts of the Body of Christ and some (you) are meant to stay inside the skin. Just try to understand if we track a little dirt inside when we come in from outside, at least it’s inert. We won’t bring back any infectious diseases or losing any of our treasures, or anything like that.
OK, OP, I’m with you. I say we round up some others, bring along St. Michael, and we’ll go dominate!kpeople:
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Others, like the OP and me, want to go out and fight spiritual battles. :knight2:
You can’t have spiritual warriors who are afraid of engaging the enemy. To engage the enemy effectively, you have to learn the enemy. And vice versa, learning the enemy requires engaging the enemy. And if you are smart you do what you can to study tactics, which is really all you’re asking. :newidea:
I say let’s go kick it. I’m Catholic but I talk to all sorts of people. I have some new agers who are friends on facebook so I can keep track of what they are saying. (What is it, keep your friends close and your enemies closer?) I like some of their ideas about a unity that transcends religious boundaries, but when they talk of astral projection and pyramids and crystals and tarot readings and chakras and all, they have made as much of an established religion out of their stuff. A lot of it is how they communicate. For example, if they say, “I’m vibrating at a high frequency,” that means they are “having a nice day.”
Don’t worry, those who wish to stay inside. We’ll handle it out there. Remember we’re all different parts of the Body of Christ and some (you) are meant to stay inside the skin. Just try to understand if we track a little dirt inside when we come in from outside, at least it’s inert. We won’t bring back any infectious diseases or losing any of our treasures, or anything like that.
OK, OP, I’m with you. I say we round up some others, bring along St. Michael, and we’ll go dominate!
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knotanes
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There’s nothing wrong with staying safe within the shelter of the Church’s verdant pasture.Some people want to stay comfy and cozy within the pasture that is the Church.
Others, like the OP and me, want to go out and fight spiritual battles. :knight2:
You can’t have spiritual warriors who are afraid of engaging the enemy. To engage the enemy effectively, you have to learn the enemy. And vice versa, learning the enemy requires engaging the enemy. And if you are smart you do what you can to study tactics, which is really all you’re asking. :newidea:
I say let’s go kick it. I’m Catholic but I talk to all sorts of people. I have some new agers who are friends on facebook so I can keep track of what they are saying. (What is it, keep your friends close and your enemies closer?) I like some of their ideas about a unity that transcends religious boundaries, but when they talk of astral projection and pyramids and crystals and tarot readings and chakras and all, they have made as much of an established religion out of their stuff. A lot of it is how they communicate. For example, if they say, “I’m vibrating at a high frequency,” that means they are “having a nice day.”
Don’t worry, those who wish to stay inside. We’ll handle it out there. Remember we’re all different parts of the Body of Christ and some (you) are meant to stay inside the skin. Just try to understand if we track a little dirt inside when we come in from outside, at least it’s inert. We won’t bring back any infectious diseases or losing any of our treasures, or anything like that.
OK, OP, I’m with you. I say we round up some others, bring along St. Michael, and we’ll go dominate!
Alan
I suppose I should have qualified my statement: those who feel studying would open them up to temptations or negativity in their own faith should proceed with caution. Think of it like you would the USCCB guidelines.
Studying occult concepts would warrant a “L”–limited audience. If you are in doubt, leave it out. You don’t need intimate knowledge of the occult to be a good spiritual warrior. You need strong faith, a good understanding of theology, logic/reasoning, and a healthy prayer life to combat evil and argue against it.
If you want to learn about it, I suggest taking or finding a free course online on the subject or viewing it through the lens of apologetics… I don’t think it’s a good idea to go down to the local occult/palmist and getting a practical education in the stuff, though.
It’s one thing to take risks with a purpose and it’s another to make a foolish gamble for the sake of gambling.
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YeshuaOrHaOlam
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Shalom W Michael;
It can be a good thing to know the enemy; being able to recognize demonic forces for what they are. But make sure that’s where you keep it; knowing, not participating with.
Make sure you pray heavily during anytime spent learning about various occult phenomena; you don’t want to let your guard down during such a learning experience.
Keep G-d close, follow Yeshua, and you will be safe.
Shalom Aleichem
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Vigilant
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Like others here, I fight the fight. God gave me no choice at first; now, I welcome the opportunity to help others. Trust me, all you need to know about stinking demons is how to kick their butts. Knowing your adversary and crawling into bed with them are two different concepts. Most people who develop spiritual problems have opened the door somehow, and in may cases it was unintentional. Don’t open that door. Study spiritual warfare, not the demons themselves. If you live in any kind of state of sin, you will very likely be even more vulnerable.
Now, I hate to be gross, but what would you do if you were walking through the yard and saw a fresh, steaming pile of dog manure? I use this as an example partly because that’s how I think of demons. So, do you walk up to it, verify with all your senses that it is in fact dog poop, then see just how badly it smells, or, once you see what it is, do you just walk around it and avoid it?
Remember this part of the Lord’s Prayer:
Deliver us from evil.
That should be sufficient for most people. If you open that door, you will be in for the fight of your life. And once that door is opened, you may very well never be able to close it again. For better or worse, you will never be the same.
Now, I hate to be gross, but what would you do if you were walking through the yard and saw a fresh, steaming pile of dog manure? I use this as an example partly because that’s how I think of demons. So, do you walk up to it, verify with all your senses that it is in fact dog poop, then see just how badly it smells, or, once you see what it is, do you just walk around it and avoid it?
Remember this part of the Lord’s Prayer:
Deliver us from evil.
That should be sufficient for most people. If you open that door, you will be in for the fight of your life. And once that door is opened, you may very well never be able to close it again. For better or worse, you will never be the same.
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AlanFromWichita
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I have a different view of “demons.”
First, I trivialized them by modeling them as small computer programs called “daemons.”
Second, I compare the way a computer program works, with the way that runaway thoughts behave in the subconscious. Third, I tested and refined the models and improved them until they were serving me well on the spiritual journey. :newidea:
The reason they’re so elusive is most people try to catch them and/or control them with thoughts and words. Battles of this kind cannot be won decisively that way. It is pure feeling and will power, which occasionally expresses itself in words – but only a few.
1 Cor 1:17-18:
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First, I trivialized them by modeling them as small computer programs called “daemons.”
Second, I compare the way a computer program works, with the way that runaway thoughts behave in the subconscious. Third, I tested and refined the models and improved them until they were serving me well on the spiritual journey. :newidea:
The reason they’re so elusive is most people try to catch them and/or control them with thoughts and words. Battles of this kind cannot be won decisively that way. It is pure feeling and will power, which occasionally expresses itself in words – but only a few.
1 Cor 1:17-18:
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Alan
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Vigilant
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This is pure, unadultrated bunk. Do NOT study the demons and ‘various occult phenomena’ and do NOT take such negligent advice from anyone who obviously has no experience in such a potentially dangerous matter.
Shalom.
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YeshuaOrHaOlam
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Shalom Vigilant;
I’m not quite sure why you have attacked me on this, and the other thread.
Where did I say anything that would lead you to declare my advice as negligent? And where does the evidence come from, to validate such a claim that I have no experience in this field?
The OP asked if it would be bad to study and learn about the occult; I simply said what many others have said; that it is fine as long as it is only intended for understanding the enemy.
Where did I say to participate, engage, or open the door to such forces?
Shalom Aleichem
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Vigilant
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It was not an attack; it was a rebuttal. Please don’t try to spin my response. Also, I don’t need to prove anything. Your lack of actual experience in such matters is quite obvious. Please refrain from encouraging someone to open a door they may never be able to close, which could turn their whole world upside down.
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YeshuaOrHaOlam
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Rebuttal to what exactly?
Like I asked, what did I say in error? Specifically?
Where did I ever encourage someone to open a door they may never be able to close?
What is wrong with the following statement I made earlier?
“But make sure that’s where you keep it; knowing, not participating with.”
Compared to yours;
“Knowing your adversary and crawling into bed with them are two different concepts.”
I guess I’m just a little confused, honestly.
Shalom Aleichem
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YeshuaOrHaOlam
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Simply an Ad Hominem.
Where is your evidence for such a claim. Do you know me? Do you know my personal story? The books I have read? The people I have related to?
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InJesusItrust
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I wold not recommend it. I got so shocked by the NWO thing that I became paranoid for a while. Watch carefully what thoughts your mind meditates on and guard your heart at all times. Bad company and bad thoughts influence you.
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AlanFromWichita
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That’s what learning about the enemy has taught me.
When two people who pretty much agree except maybe with a small point or the way of wording things, and then go back and forth arguing minutia, we can see the enemy at work.
The enemy is like the wind; you can’t see it but you can see its effects.
It is less inherently dangerous to “study” the occult, than to participate in “actual” altercations here on an Internet forum. The latter is “participation,” no matter what the thread topic.
Alan
When two people who pretty much agree except maybe with a small point or the way of wording things, and then go back and forth arguing minutia, we can see the enemy at work.
The enemy is like the wind; you can’t see it but you can see its effects.
It is less inherently dangerous to “study” the occult, than to participate in “actual” altercations here on an Internet forum. The latter is “participation,” no matter what the thread topic.
Alan
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Vigilant
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I’m not going to argue with you. Giving advice about everyday spirituality is one thing. Giving advice on matters such as this is far more serious in nature. Your advice was not only dangerous and false; it reeked of someone who thrives on feeding their own ego with such activity. You want to talk to someone about humility? I suggest you examine your own conscience.Simply an Ad Hominem.
Where is your evidence for such a claim. Do you know me? Do you know my personal story? The books I have read? The people I have related to?
I don’t care how many books you have read, or people you ‘related to’. I don’t need to prove any lack of legitimate background on your part. It shows through plain as day. The fact that someone has read a book or three of their choice on this subject does not guarantee any level of competency.
And for the record, there is a huge difference between an argument and a rebuttal. I don’t come here to argue.
Ramble on all you want; I’m done talking.
Shalom.
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InJesusItrust
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I disagree. I think it is arrogance to suppose what media you encounter or company you keep cannot have a lasting influence on you. I learned through myself that your character changes the more you surround yourself with something. The bible is right when it warns against bad company and impurity.
It is one thing to argue with others, it is another thing entirely to become doubtful of faith. At least with heated discussion you can forgive, but if you doubt your faith you are set in the worst path.
For example if you constantly read NDEs that present a New Agey view you might doubt that Jesus is the only way.
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Vigilant
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I will add one statement.
The verbage ‘crawling into bed with them’ may have been a bit misleading to some. I see the concept of becoming too familiar with the netherworld as just that: crawling into bed, but not sleeping with them. All we need to know about the nature of the demonic realm is contained in Scripture. If one goes beyond that point, they are playing with fire. Everything we need to protect ourselves also comes from Catholic origin. If someone wants to learn about such matters, it is a far better idea to learn about pitfalls and snares to avoid, how to live a holy and Catholic life, which is the strongest vaccine against this affliction, and learn about spiritual warfare, and how to use the tools God gave us to fight the fight if such an occasion arises. Even then, unless someone speaks from actual experience with tried and true results, I believe it is best to qualify one’s advice as being “based on what I have read”, etc.
Please, people, don’t give advice on such matters unless you have a legitimate background, and know a little about what you are discussing. even then, we must know our limitations.
The verbage ‘crawling into bed with them’ may have been a bit misleading to some. I see the concept of becoming too familiar with the netherworld as just that: crawling into bed, but not sleeping with them. All we need to know about the nature of the demonic realm is contained in Scripture. If one goes beyond that point, they are playing with fire. Everything we need to protect ourselves also comes from Catholic origin. If someone wants to learn about such matters, it is a far better idea to learn about pitfalls and snares to avoid, how to live a holy and Catholic life, which is the strongest vaccine against this affliction, and learn about spiritual warfare, and how to use the tools God gave us to fight the fight if such an occasion arises. Even then, unless someone speaks from actual experience with tried and true results, I believe it is best to qualify one’s advice as being “based on what I have read”, etc.
Please, people, don’t give advice on such matters unless you have a legitimate background, and know a little about what you are discussing. even then, we must know our limitations.
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YeshuaOrHaOlam
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Has anyone else been following this?
I don’t know how many assumptions you have made about me, my character, or my knowledge on this subject; but every single one of them is unwarranted and disingenuous.
How you could declare me as being one who “reeked of someone who thrives on feeding their own ego with such activity,” is simply beyond me…
My only intent, ever, was to offer a friendly opine in this thread; not, as you so unfairly claim of me, to puff my own ego.
It is you, my friend, who needs a humility check. I would hope anyone else following this, or the other thread, would agree with me here…
“I don’t come here to argue”
But you surely found it fitting to insult my intelligence, belittle my character, slander my name, and make a mean spirited, sarcastic remark to my initial post.
I guess we are done here; it certainly seems thus…
Shalom to you
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