Is it safe to learn about the occult?

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Has anyone else been following this?

I don’t know how many assumptions you have made about me, my character, or my knowledge on this subject; but every single one of them is unwarranted and disingenuous.

How you could declare me as being one who “reeked of someone who thrives on feeding their own ego with such activity,” is simply beyond me… 🤷

My only intent, ever, was to offer a friendly opine in this thread; not, as you so unfairly claim of me, to puff my own ego.

It is you, my friend, who needs a humility check. I would hope anyone else following this, or the other thread, would agree with me here…

“I don’t come here to argue”

But you surely found it fitting to insult my intelligence, belittle my character, slander my name, and make a mean spirited, sarcastic remark to my initial post.

🤷

I guess we are done here; it certainly seems thus…

Shalom to you 🤷
Silence is golden.
 
It is one thing to argue with others, it is another thing entirely to become doubtful of faith. At least with heated discussion you can forgive, but if you doubt your faith you are set in the worst path.
You can have faith to move all mountains, but without love you are nothing.

But don’t take my word for it:
1 Cor 13:2:
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
1 Cor 13:13:
So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
My statement stands. Heated discussion is absolutely optional; civil discussion is always an option as well as no discussion. Expressing anger, calling each other “fool” and the like, are absolutely doing the devil’s business, without any help from the “occult.” Love trumps faith. Love trumps knowledge, even knowledge of Church teachings. Don’t argue that with me; argue it with God. I’m only repeating what He said.

To your assertion that heated discussion is benign, heed these words, and if you have ears, hear them:
Matt 5:21-22:
You have heard that it was said to your ancestors,n ‘You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment,o and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.
Angry discussion: is it covered? Would you bet your soul on it, defending it as harmless? Liable to judgment? Gehenna? No thanks. Consider yourself warned; now your problem is no longer mine. 👍

Alan
 
You can have faith to move all mountains, but without love you are nothing.

But don’t take my word for it:

My statement stands. Heated discussion is absolutely optional; civil discussion is always an option as well as no discussion. Expressing anger, calling each other “fool” and the like, are absolutely doing the devil’s business, without any help from the “occult.” Love trumps faith. Love trumps knowledge, even knowledge of Church teachings. Don’t argue that with me; argue it with God. I’m only repeating what He said.

To your assertion that heated discussion is benign, heed these words, and if you have ears, hear them:

Angry discussion: is it covered? Would you bet your soul on it, defending it as harmless? Liable to judgment? Gehenna? No thanks. Consider yourself warned; now your problem is no longer mine. 👍

Alan
The apostles and disciples and bible itself called some people fools and certain uncharitable things like children of the devil but forgave and asked for forgiveness (most likely). Apostasy is a worse idea that losing your patience and seeking forgiveness. How could you possibly think a heated discussion is worse than leaving Christ?
 
Also, what is your definition of a heated argument? I have not encountered many debates on this board with a poster being vitriolic or calling another a fool. Yes, they debate the minute details, but how is that a sin liable for hell? Whereas the bible tells you to have nothing to do with the occult and warns that there is no forgiveness after apostasy.
 
Its probably not advised to open yourself up to the occult or the dark side of spirituality.
 
Some people want to stay comfy and cozy within the pasture that is the Church. :highprayer:

Others, like the OP and me, want to go out and fight spiritual battles. :knight2:

You can’t have spiritual warriors who are afraid of engaging the enemy. To engage the enemy effectively, you have to learn the enemy. And vice versa, learning the enemy requires engaging the enemy. And if you are smart you do what you can to study tactics, which is really all you’re asking. :newidea:

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Don’t worry, those who wish to stay inside. We’ll handle it out there. Remember we’re all different parts of the Body of Christ and some (you) are meant to stay inside the skin. Just try to understand if we track a little dirt inside when we come in from outside, at least it’s inert. We won’t bring back any infectious diseases or losing any of our treasures, or anything like that. 😉

OK, OP, I’m with you. I say we round up some others, bring along St. Michael, and we’ll go dominate! :okpeople:

Alan
Alan, your pride is showing.

There is a reason why only certain priests are qualified to be exorcists and deal with the demons and Satan. Not everyone is spiritually mature enough to handle this part of spiritual warfare. The fact that you can’t accept that indicates a very immature spirituality.
 
Alan, your pride is showing.

There is a reason why only certain priests are qualified to be exorcists and deal with the demons and Satan. Not everyone is spiritually mature enough to handle this part of spiritual warfare. The fact that you can’t accept that indicates a very immature spirituality.
You don’t know me. Soooo …

You may test me if you like,.and see if you can find a basis or even an example of this “immaturity.” I like to know these things because if there is a weakness in my armor, I’d rather a friend find it rather than an enemy. :cool:

Yes, I have had a great deal of pride to deal with, and starting June 8, 2011, the Lord cast me into my Dark Night. On July 11 I met my first spiritual director, who started me on the path to mental, emotional, and spiritual sanity. Eleven years and approx 58,000 hours of effort later, (study, prayer including contemplative, etc.) I have come to the point where I am ready for your challenge. I will stand before God, willing to do whatever He calls me to do – even if it’s accompanying an exorcist.

By the way, did I tell you about my boss’s brother, the diocese exorcist, whom I didn’t know was in St. Anthony the day I was playing organ there and had an extreme manic episode and the crucifix figure turned into a serpent and moved. I hid behind the railing except when I had to get up to play a Mass part or hymn. After Mass I found out Ken, whom I hadn’t seen in years since I lost my job in June of 2001 to permanent and total mental disability, had attended. Funny because I used to tell him over the phone about my symptoms and what I was going through, and he compared it to some of the things his brother had said. BTW I wasn’t supposed to tell anyone he was the diocese exorcist, because the diocese doesn’t like people to know. But I figure it’s safe, because not long after that, the exorcist died.

That’s just one example of a Saturday evening during those 11 years. I’ve been around the block as far as scary thoughts. I haven’t heard them all, but I’m willing to listen to new ones. 🙂

Bring them on! I stand before God, ready to be responsible for my own words here. 👍

Alan
 
Alan, your pride is showing.

There is a reason why only certain priests are qualified to be exorcists and deal with the demons and Satan. Not everyone is spiritually mature enough to handle this part of spiritual warfare. The fact that you can’t accept that indicates a very immature spirituality.
All priests are “qualified” to exorcise the demonic but only certain Priests are called to do so.
 
Alan, your pride is showing.

There is a reason why only certain priests are qualified to be exorcists and deal with the demons and Satan. Not everyone is spiritually mature enough to handle this part of spiritual warfare. The fact that you can’t accept that indicates a very immature spirituality.
Sorry, but I have to agree with this post. It shows through plain as day.
 
Sorry, but I have to agree with this post. It shows through plain as day.
Please be more specific.

Tell me how I am open to attack by demons, by learning about them.

If you’ve never worked with demons, then you may not be able to distinguish confidence from arrogance, and light-heartedness from foolishness.

Remember the wisdom of God is foolish to man. I’m not saying that makes me the wisdom of God, but if I were I’d expect to be called foolish. In turn, I turn to the Beatitudes that say I am blessed for hearing such persecution.

That’s one of my strategies. If I can turn back to scripture, and especially the Beatitudes, then I have called upon the Lord to help show me the way and open my eyes, further than He already has deigned to do.

Tell you what. If you want to come into my “living room,” that forum I mentioned, I’ll make you the mod of my new spiritual warfare subforum. Would you like that? Then you could make the rules for how I discuss it. The people I offered it to on a thread about Spiritual Warfare Subforum haven’t accepted my offer, so hey why not? I’ll just shoot it to the archives if nobody wants to talk there.

On site registrations is iffy because of the bots, so if you want to join me (even if to teach me a lesson) the easiest way is to send me your email and desired login, and I’ll set you up.

Alan
 
Thanks for replying guys,
I will always stay true to the church.
But on the other side I want to find the truth in the world whilst being in safeguard, I can understand some people in the past have be brainwashed and open to attack, But I think I can find the balance between being safe and searching for what is real.
Doesn’t the subject matter of the occult preclude it from having any truth within it to find?
 
Doesn’t the subject matter of the occult preclude it from having any truth within it to find?
To me it’s like stepping outside, or looking out the window toward a huge mirror, if you prefer. Here you see what our house looks like from outside. An indoor-only dweller might be like an indoor-only cat. Either declawed or can’t defend itself when on the outside. I guess in the spirit world I wish to be “street smart,” like an Alley Cat.

Sincerely, though … I love the Church. Last night I sat in the dark, empty Church from midnight until almost 1, before I practiced organ. BTW here’s a visual on me practicing Hail Holy Queen. Not much to look at but I’m as happy as I am wide. 🙂

Alan
 
Please be more specific.

Tell me how I am open to attack by demons, by learning about them.

What’s the use? You will very likely insist on doing so regardless of how much breath I waste. You stand a grave risk of opening a door you may very well never be able to close. Know your enemy like Patton knew Rommel, not no further than that.

If you’ve never worked with demons, then you may not be able to distinguish confidence from arrogance, and light-heartedness from foolishness.

If you’ve never worked with demons, eh? I almost had to laugh. I have dealt with the bastards, and have been doing so for years. God gave me no choice. And when I see some jackass (not you) laughing about sound, tried and true advice which someone gives to a person in need to help fight the fight, it upsets me more than a little. You might think you’re an expert on the matter, but it’s obvious you know just enough to get yourself into one big heap of trouble sooner or later. I mean this as a stern warning, not as an insult.

Remember the wisdom of God is foolish to man. I’m not saying that makes me the wisdom of God, but if I were I’d expect to be called foolish. In turn, I turn to the Beatitudes that say I am blessed for hearing such persecution.

You don’t have a clue. You just don’t.

That’s one of my strategies. If I can turn back to scripture, and especially the Beatitudes, then I have called upon the Lord to help show me the way and open my eyes, further than He already has deigned to do.

Wait until the time comes when you open that door, then we’ll see how you feel about picking fights with spiritual monsters who are hell-bent on destroying us. Let sleeping dogs lay, unless they first come after you. The only exception to that maxim is to give advice to others who have spiritual problems. Even then, don’t go too far with it, unless you have been there yourself and actually fought the fight.

Tell you what. If you want to come into my “living room,” that forum I mentioned, I’ll make you the mod of my new spiritual warfare subforum. Would you like that? Then you could make the rules for how I discuss it. The people I offered it to on a thread about Spiritual Warfare Subforum haven’t accepted my offer, so hey why not? I’ll just shoot it to the archives if nobody wants to talk there.

Gee thanks. Nothing personal, but I’ll pass.

Don’t open a door that you may never be able to close. Trust me, it’s not for the faint of heart.

On site registrations is iffy because of the bots, so if you want to join me (even if to teach me a lesson) the easiest way is to send me your email and desired login, and I’ll set you up.

Alan
 
Your formatting is wrong. You mixed stuff in with mine. You have five minutes to fix it, or your 20 minutes will be up and so you will have accepted it, and I’ll take the fact that you mixed your words right in with mine, with no separators, to be indicative that our spiritual “minds” have decided to get together. Scary, huh? Oh well if you think I’m just making this up then it’s no concern to you. 😛

Congratulations, friend, for mixing us up like that. :cool:

As far as the discussion at my place, have it your way, and have a nice day! :tiphat:

Alan
 
No hard feelings. Just tread carefully.

If you really want to help someone, your prayers on their behalf will go a LONG way. I could tell you stories. Feel free to PM me if you like, and I will give you a few details. There is one member here who could really use your prayers. But be forewarned: others have prayed for this person, and faced dire spiritual consequences.
 
As long as u excercise proper caution u should be perfectly safe, people who get occult troubles are usualy (though not alwase) just blundering about blindly in occult thing with no idea what they are doing. educate yourself.
 
As long as u excercise proper caution u should be perfectly safe, people who get occult troubles are usualy (though not alwase) just blundering about blindly in occult thing with no idea what they are doing. educate yourself.
You are WRONG.
 
Re: Is it safe to learn about the occult?

would it be safe to learn about the dangers of playing tig on a motorway? would that be safe do you think?

really this is a very dangerous game.not to be played with,even out of curiosity.
 
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