Is it safe to learn about the occult?

[FaustinaJulia]

You are WRONG.

I would like to second that.
I am a person with over 30 years experience in the occult, primarily through celtic wicca and germanic heathen as well as eclectic pagan paths. I know that I brought a lot of negativity into my life while under the guise of “positive” practices. Quite a lot (that isn’t simple self delusions) in the occult is demonic influences masquerading as your favorite pagan spirits etc. The scales fell off of my eyes just this past February of this year and I am now working towards joining the Catholic Church this coming Easter.

I look back over my past nowadays and can literally see patterns of evil influence and I was only into the “positive” side as well. If you do not know what you are doing, you will be tricked and you will suffer as will people you are trying to help and those close to you most likely in a ripple effect of consequences for your hubris. If you wish information about the occult in order to avoid it, then I highly recommend that you do so in authentic Catholic Christian media only where others better prepared to deal with the consequences have done the research for you.

This in no way is any sort of put down of anyone, but a desire to help others discern the true dangers or safety of investigations into the occult. You may be welcoming things into your life that you have no idea how to deal with them effectively.

 

[livelife4god]

I would like to second that.
I am a person with over 30 years experience in the occult, primarily through celtic wicca and germanic heathen as well as eclectic pagan paths. I know that I brought a lot of negativity into my life while under the guise of “positive” practices. Quite a lot (that isn’t simple self delusions) in the occult is demonic influences masquerading as your favorite pagan spirits etc. The scales fell off of my eyes just this past February of this year and I am now working towards joining the Catholic Church this coming Easter.

I look back over my past nowadays and can literally see patterns of evil influence and I was only into the “positive” side as well. If you do not know what you are doing, you will be tricked and you will suffer as will people you are trying to help and those close to you most likely in a ripple effect of consequences for your hubris. If you wish information about the occult in order to avoid it, then I highly recommend that you do so in authentic Catholic Christian media only where others better prepared to deal with the consequences have done the research for you.

This in no way is any sort of put down of anyone, but a desire to help others discern the true dangers or safety of investigations into the occult. You may be welcoming things into your life that you have no idea how to deal with them effectively.

great post,i hope you find you’re journey back to the catholic church this Easter.God bless you,with the love of his only son Jesus along with the holy spirit.

 

[Vigilant]

As long as u excercise proper caution u should be perfectly safe, people who get occult troubles are usualy (though not alwase) just blundering about blindly in occult thing with no idea what they are doing. educate yourself.

Also, DON’T be so bold as to come on to a Catholic forum and spread your poison in a effort to tempt people here to commit the same foolish spiritual suicide which you inflict on yourself, slowly, day by day. You apprently think all is well now. Just wait until such a time as you decide to walk away from it. Then you will feel the snare tighten. Mark my words.

 

[Hunter24]

Also, DON’T be so bold as to come on to a Catholic forum and spread your poison in a effort to tempt people here to commit the same foolish spiritual suicide which you inflict on yourself, slowly, day by day. You apprently think all is well now. Just wait until such a time as you decide to walk away from it. Then you will feel the snare tighten. Mark my words.

Wow, by far the most violent reaction ive ever got on here. impressive. the reason im on here is I was once Catholic and we used the tracts on this sight for theology class at my high school. Im not here to spread anything, my religion is dead set AGAINST proselytizing, its wrong. I am simply offering her some advice, namely that if she is going to study the occult to be careful and not get in over her head.

I didnt come on this thread to start an debate about my religion but if u want to then go right ahead, I love a good arguement

 

[FaustinaJulia]

great post,i hope you find you’re journey back to the catholic church this Easter.God bless you,with the love of his only son Jesus along with the holy spirit.

Thank you so very much. I’ve found an amazing parish and church where I attend Mass every Sunday and then go to a study class (Not related to RCIA) afterwards which has been wonderful. It’s all pure grace that I even broke away from that life and mercy that I’m welcomed as I am. I feel like the prodigal daughter!

 

[Vigilant]

Wow, by far the most violent reaction ive ever got on here. impressive. the reason im on here is I was once Catholic and we used the tracts on this sight for theology class at my high school. Im not here to spread anything, my religion is dead set AGAINST proselytizing, its wrong. I am simply offering her some advice, namely that if she is going to study the occult to be careful and not get in over her head.

I didnt come on this thread to start an debate about my religion but if u want to then go right ahead, I love a good arguement

FaustinaJulia already answered this drivel for me. Have a nice day.

And God bless you, FaustinaJulia.

 

[Hunter24]

FaustinaJulia already answered this drivel for me. Have a nice day.

And God bless you, FaustinaJulia.

And how exactly was this answered? i don’t see it in there. or are you going to run away before you make a fool of yourself? that might be a good idea

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Re: Is it safe to learn about the occult?

would it be safe to learn about the dangers of playing tig on a motorway? would that be safe do you think?

really this is a very dangerous game.not to be played with,even out of curiosity.

This analogy makes no sense. Reading about and watching others play tig on the motorway, does not require putting oneself into danger. Or anyone who isn’t already doing it.

No hard feelings. Just tread carefully.

If you really want to help someone, your prayers on their behalf will go a LONG way. I could tell you stories. Feel free to PM me if you like, and I will give you a few details. There is one member here who could really use your prayers. But be forewarned: others have prayed for this person, and faced dire spiritual consequences.

No reason for stories, thank you. I’m tired of telling my own, although if you’d like to share please feel free. As far as my own, unless I’m trying to make a point, I don’t need the past because the present is more fun.

I have prayed for your friend; I don’t need to know details.

Alan

 

[AlanFromWichita]

And how exactly was this answered? i don’t see it in there. or are you going to run away before you make a fool of yourself? that might be a good idea

I noticed that, too. The post in question was after FaustinaJulia’s post, so if the alleged drivel had already been answered, then the post was pointless. Could that be why the poster back-pedaled? Or was it disguised not to be a back-pedal? Enquiring minds want to know.

Alan

 

[FaustinaJulia]

FaustinaJulia already answered this drivel for me. Have a nice day.

And God bless you, FaustinaJulia.

And thank you too Vigilant -quiet smiles-

And God bless all of you in this thread and on this forum where I hope that answers will bring about a conversion experience to all who need one.

 

[Hunter24]

I noticed that, too. The post in question was after FaustinaJulia’s post, so if the alleged drivel had already been answered, then the post was pointless. Could that be why the poster back-pedaled? Or was it disguised not to be a back-pedal? Enquiring minds want to know.

Alan

Indeed they do i cant stand this sort of hit and run argument, just throw out something and disapear so u dont have to actualy debate

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Indeed they do i cant stand this sort of hit and run argument, just throw out something and disapear so u dont have to actualy debate

As you certainly know, don’t let it get you down. Just figure each part of the body plays its own role, and does so perfectly. And trust the Holy Spirit is guiding us all – even the misguided are on their way to whatever adventures and lessons they will have. The most radical doubters make some of the strongest converts.

One post I might feel like the heart, another time the mind, another time a white antibody. Just make up a story and relegate these evil demons to silliness – foolishness like a child. Demons don’t like that. At least I think if I were a demon I’d want everybody to know how powerful and terrible I was – Mary Poppins would ruin everything.

Alan

 

[livelife4god]

This analogy makes no sense. Reading about and watching others play tig on the motorway, does not require putting oneself into danger. Or anyone who isn’t already doing it.

No reason for stories, thank you. I’m tired of telling my own, although if you’d like to share please feel free. As far as my own, unless I’m trying to make a point, I don’t need the past because the present is more fun.

I have prayed for your friend; I don’t need to know details.

Alan

Re: Is it safe to learn about the occult?

would it be safe to learn about the dangers of playing tig on a motorway? would that be safe do you think?

really this is a very dangerous game.not to be played with,even out of curiosity.

This analogy makes no sense. Reading about and watching others play tig on the motorway, does not require putting oneself into danger. Or anyone who isn’t already doing it.

first of were does it say reading or watching?/lololol…

i meant when learning you usually go at it hands on.

it might be my dialect,the way i speak,sorry…

its English,but spoken in my local accent…

learning the occult is like playing on a highway… in other words…

 

[AlanFromWichita]

learning the occult is like playing on a highway… in other words…

Yes, I hear you. For me, I don’t have the same feeling of danger in just learning about things, but I hear what you mean too about going “hands on.”

The issue here I see, is that if you learn enough about a set of beliefs, is there a danger you will adopt those beliefs? I’m not so worried about supernatural retaliation of some imagined kind, but actually taking on some of the beliefs without even realizing it. I’m willing to take that risk because I am not prone to believing anything that doesn’t support what I already believe. In such cases I may or may not revisit my original beliefs, depending on what we’re talking about.

So yes, if I play on the highway, I intend to keep dexterity going at 100% optimized.

Alan

 

[Vigilant]

Brag all you want about having fought the fight. It’s obvious to me that the worst thing you have ever fought was a runny nose. You don’t have a clue about the horrors that can occur. Be warned: If you keep looking for trouble, either you will find it, or it will find you. Keeping your dexterity going at 100% optimized? Don’t make me laugh.

If you continue on this path, you will very likely end up opening a door which you may never be able to close. Once that spiritual veil is torn, it is pretty much impossible to repair.

Do you know what it’s like to be rudely awakened to find yourself being brutally beaten by something you can’t even see? Do you think all the stories about Padre Pio and St. John Vianney, plus all the others, are just fiction?

Be careful what you wish for, grasshopper.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Brag all you want about having fought the fight. It’s obvious to me that the worst thing you have ever fought was a runny nose. You don’t have a clue about the horrors that can occur. Be warned: If you keep looking for trouble, either you will find it, or it will find you. Keeping your dexterity going at 100% optimized? Don’t make me laugh.

If you continue on this path, you will very likely end up opening a door which you may never be able to close. Once that spiritual veil is torn, it is pretty much impossible to repair.

Do you know what it’s like to be rudely awakened to find yourself being brutally beaten by something you can’t even see? Do you think all the stories about Padre Pio and St. John Vianney, plus all the others, are just fiction?

Be careful what you wish for, grasshopper.

ROFL! A runny nose!

Be as frightened as you like on my behalf. You have my permission.

Alan

 

[Hunter24]

Brag all you want about having fought the fight. It’s obvious to me that the worst thing you have ever fought was a runny nose. You don’t have a clue about the horrors that can occur. Be warned: If you keep looking for trouble, either you will find it, or it will find you. Keeping your dexterity going at 100% optimized? Don’t make me laugh.

If you continue on this path, you will very likely end up opening a door which you may never be able to close. Once that spiritual veil is torn, it is pretty much impossible to repair.

Do you know what it’s like to be rudely awakened to find yourself being brutally beaten by something you can’t even see? Do you think all the stories about Padre Pio and St. John Vianney, plus all the others, are just fiction?

Be careful what you wish for, grasshopper.

Wow someones angry. have you ever been attacked by this stuff? well I have!

Ya thats right, me the devils venom attacked, on several occasions. Its not as you say that Wiccans are in the clutches of Satan and only assaulted when they wish to leave. thats a load of bull.

spirits run the whole range of personality. some are friendly, most are benign, and a few are malevolent. those malevolent entities dont care what your religion is, they want to clamp on to you for whatever reasons they have, psychic vampirism, possesion, to inflict pain. I had problems with them when i was bumbling around blindly in the occult, they scared the **** out of me. then something happened, I LEARNED.

I learned how to protect myself and now on that rare occasion i come across one i am prepared and calm. a person who is calm, knowledgable, and confident can handle most spirits. it dosnt matter if its a cross and holy water, a Buddha and incense, or a energy shield and a pentagram, it all is effective. you sir need to cool your jets.

 

[jc4751]

I’m saddened by the smiley abuse. :blush:

More seriously, I can plainly see that Alan is at least tempted into hubris. I compare his flip attitude to juggling a couple of test tubes full of swine flu virus in an epidemiology lab while wearing a red rubber clown nose. Or whatever.

Learning about the occult is not unlike learning about the Holocaust or a dozen other horrible subjects. When we choose to examine the evils of humanity, we are choosing to allow a certain amount of poison into our minds, unfortunately. We can understand what mankind does to itself with these studies, but we are going to be tainted by it on some level, in spite of our best efforts. With the occult, this is magnified greatly because we’re no longer studying the expression of evil, but the root of the evil.

I’ve been around people who seemed to either be demonically influenced or possessed (only God can reveal the truth). I’ve also been around the mentally ill, both on a personal level and in a clinical setting. Only a fool would mistake mental illness for demonic presence and it was some of the most sobering experiences I’ve had. Sadly, there was no exorcism in the future of the individuals afflicted, but I can only say that what seemed to be the best path forward was to drive the demon out like you would a rabid wolf that broke through the screen door. Don’t ask what it’s doing there, don’t bother to get to know or understand it. Be done with it as fast as possible and pray for protection and grace.

The people who somehow believe that demons can be “redeemed” are the worst of all. The essence of a demon is the antithesis of God, angels that rebelled against God. How can you even pretend to correct this sort of essence?

 

[MtnDwellar]

I learned how to protect myself and now on that rare occasion i come across one i am prepared and calm. a person who is calm, knowledgable, and confident can handle most spirits. it dosnt matter if its a cross and holy water, a Buddha and incense, or a energy shield and a pentagram, it all is effective. you sir need to cool your jets.

How do you protect yourself?

 

[Hunter24]

How do you protect yourself?

Shielding, which is an energy directing technique that is the first thing a wiccan should learn, has been sufficient to protect me in the cases ive run into something bad. after that a ton of cleansing; grounding (another energy technique), cleansing rituals, burning things like sage and (to take a page out of the christian anti-demon playbook) spread around some consicrated water or salt.

thankfully ive never encountered anything that those didnt handle, if i ever encountered anything bigger id probably try to get a coven to cleanse me or something, strength in numbers. the only angry spirits ive encountered have been through a Ouija board (its like dialing a random phone number) and when i was trying to astral project in a place with a lot of bad energy, that was a terrible idea on my part.