Is it the correct translation?

[ConstantineTG]

Amá namin sungmasalan͠git ka;
Sambahín ang n͠galan mo;
Mapasaamin ang kaharian mo;
Sundin ang lóob mo;
Dito sa lupa para nang sa lan͠git;
Bigyán mo kamí n͠gayón nang aming kanin sa árao-árao
At patawárin mo kamí nan͠g aming man͠gá útang,
Para nang pagpatawad namin sa man͠gagkakautang sa amin;
At houag mo kamin͠g ipahintúlot sa tukso,
At iadyá mo kamí sa dilang masamâ.

Father our (of-us) art-in-heaven thou;
Adored (worshiped) the name of-thee;
Come-to-us the kingdom of-thee;
(Be) done the will of-thee;
Here upon earth according to (that) in heaven;
(Be) given of-thee we (us) now of-the our food upon everyday
And (be) pardoned of-thee we (us) of-the our (man͠gá - sign of plurality) debts,
According as (are) forgiven of-us to those-indebted to us;
And do-not of-thee (let) us (be) permitted into temptation,
But =And] (be) delivered of-thee we (us) from all evil.

Is this your personal translation? Mind if I critique?

I wonder why “namin” is used rather than “natin”. Namin is exclusive while natin is inclusive. It translates closer to “us” rather than “our”. If group A tells group B, “namin” then group A is just collectively saying it belongs to group A. Whereas “natin” would mean it collectively belongs to both groups A and B. I wonder if classically the connotation is different.
Mapasaamin mean more to “belong to us” rather than “come to us”
Sundin is “follow” so the line would be in English, “Follow your will”
Its funny too that “kanin” in this context does translate to “food” as it is a shortened version of “kakainin”. But “kanin” itself translates to “rice” which is a staple in every meal.

 

[patrick457]

Is this your personal translation? Mind if I critique?

I wonder why “namin” is used rather than “natin”. Namin is exclusive while natin is inclusive. It translates closer to “us” rather than “our”. If group A tells group B, “namin” then group A is just collectively saying it belongs to group A. Whereas “natin” would mean it collectively belongs to both groups A and B. I wonder if classically the connotation is different.
Mapasaamin mean more to “belong to us” rather than “come to us”
Sundin is “follow” so the line would be in English, “Follow your will”

No, it isn’t. That was a version recorded in the 1905 A handbook and grammar of the Tagalog language. The English word-by-word version also comes from there as well.

As for namin and natin: yes, the main difference between kami/namin/amin and tayo/natin/atin - all translated by the English we/us/our/ours - is that the first set is exclusive, i.e. it exclude the person(s) addressed by the speaker, while the second is inclusive, because it specifically includes the person(s) addressed. So, the Tagalog equivalent of “We saw you” would be Nakita ka namin, because the person addressed is not included in the ‘we’ (i.e. he obviously was not standing along with the speakers, looking at himself!). On the other hand, the statement Nakita natin siya (“We saw him”) would imply that the speaker AND the addressee both saw the person in question. Another example would be the phrase bayan namin/aming bayan (our town/country/nation). Using namin/aming here would imply “our (excluding you, the addressee(s)) town/country/nation”, while natin would imply “our (i.e. ours and yours as well) town/country/nation”.

Hence, saying Ama namin is natural since the whole prayer is addressed by us men to God. Saying Ama natin (or ating Ama) when addressing the Almighty Himself is gramatically odd and does not make any sense (since the connotation would be something close to ‘our father and yours, God, as well’).

Its funny too that “kanin” in this context does translate to “food” as it is a shortened version of “kakainin”. But “kanin” itself translates to “rice” which is a staple in every meal.

You’re correct about kanin. Nowadays it is generally used to mean ‘rice’, but as you mentioned rice is the staple diet of Filipinos, and thus in this respect, the use of kanin for ‘food’ in general is similar the use of the word ‘bread’ in some languages as a synecdoche for food or sustenance in general. Kanin is so valuable that most words related to eating have the word embedded within them: kain (to eat); pagkain (food); kumain (to eat a meal); pang-kain (money for food); nakakain (edible).

 

[ConstantineTG]

Kanin would be invalid matter for Communion though

I kind of missed it, but was the Ama Namin translated from Latin, Spanish or English? Or even maybe Greek?

Also, you’re right. The use of “namin” is correct in the context that we are talking to God, not making a profession of faith amongst the congregation. I kinda missed that. I guess in english, OUR can be used both ways but not in Filipino. So we cannot say to God, “Ama natin” because it will imply that God is his own father, or that we’re addressing another person as Father with God. I shouldn’t be translating past midnight and close to bedtime