Is it time we welcome the gay community to ours?

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Look at the fact that we all die. But then also look at the fact that God gave us life in the first place. But not only that, God died on the cross for our sins when he didn’t have to and when he himself was innocent. If you would have been the only human being to ever be created, Jesus would still do all that he did and die on the cross for you. Jesus loves you that much. No mere mortal can do that for you. God is the one who gives you your next heartbeat and your next breath, and God is the one who is offering you eternal life in Heaven. The truth is God, and God is love itself. Because he is God and has infinitely greater intellect and understanding than we have we can’t expect to grasp the wisdom of everything he does. But what we don’t understand in this world has been revealed to the saints in Heaven who behold God’s face in the beatific vision. But Hell, by definition, means being away from God for eternity. What is there without God? Satan, demons, child molesters, rapists, murderers, thieves, etc. For me, the choice is easy.
I’ve always suspected that Sodom and Gomorrha did even more than the basic sin for which they are forever immortalized. Basically, they represented a secular society that had completely turned away from God in every way–in some ways similarly to the USA today, which scares me a bit, I must add. To have 2 cities where God couldn’t even locate 10 men worth saving speaks volumes. Moreover, there must have been a complete hardening of their hearts–as Jesus said that sins against the Spirit are the only unforgivable sins–and my understanding is that a lifetime of completely hardening one’s heart is what that alludes to. Same sex attraction is disordered–but not in itself sinful. ACTING on that attraction outside of marriage is the sin–just the same as living with someone you aren’t married to in a sexual relationship is a sin. The rub of course, is that regardless of secular law, the “marriage” between 2 members of the same sex is never valid. So the minute a person with SSA begins to romantically date, much less have sex with a partner they are physically attracted to–they sin.

However, before I’d think I should cast a stone at a gay brother or sister, I’d want to be sure that I was as pure as the driven snow myself: had never engaged in premarital sex or adultery–in thought or deed–nor had I ever masturbated, looked at a porno fiick, sexted or any of 100 other ways that a heterosexual can commit a sin of the flesh that is just as unpleasant to God as the sin of the homosexual.

As the mother of a lesbian daughter, I make no excuse for her sin–nor do I seek to trivialize it in any way. I simply agree with Pope Francis’ observation that homosexuality and abortion are NOT the only 2 sins out there. Are we more interested in condemning sinners to hell and standing as their judge or in bringing them home to Jesus? Because if what we want is the 2nd option we need to think a little before we shoot off our mouths cruelly. As a heterosexual, can you imagine waking up in a world one morning and being told that no matter how much you loved and were sexually attracted to your husband or wife, that you must NEVER physically consummate that feeling? Because, right or wrong–that is what our homosexual brothers and sisters face daily. I don’t personally believe that God “makes” people gay–I personally believe that there are several issues at work–and believe me when I say that I’ve read every book and every study that I can find out there since my daughter came out to me. Also, I’m a women’s health care provider–so I’ve read medical journal articles on the subject and spoken to many, many women with SSA. I don’t know all the answers, if I did, I’d begin by curing my own child. I’m beginning to suspect some of the answers though–AND I do know that if you want to be sure that a homosexual individual will write the entire Catholic church off completely and never get within 100 feet of one for the rest of their life–if you want to absolutely guarantee that such an individual loses all interest in ever learning about or having any interest in living a chaste Catholic life or becoming Catholic or if you want to make a true and permanent enemy for the church, one who will spend as many waking hours as God gives them belittling the church, its teachings, and every Catholic person out there–just start your conversation by calling them a pervert or disgusting or a dirty “fag” or tell them they are automatically condemned to hell (which you have absolutely NO way of knowing in the first place, BTW!) and you can selfishly make that happen right on the spot!🤷
 
As a matter of fact there are groups within the Church that help people with same sex atrraction to be chaste
 
Yes, Starrs you are a great witness to the Church. You have looked into this and read and understand Church teaching. The problem is that there are Catholics who are confusing sentiment for people with SSA with believing homosexual acts are not sinfull and promote the legalizing of same sex marriage. Wouldnt it be great if people that are struggeling SSA spoke out against this?
 
I’m a definite believer yes they should. Lets be honest **the popularity of the church is declining **at an alarming rate. And we need to get people excited about coming again and not chastise any walk of life we deem unfit.

Ps. I’m straight and catholic

So what is your view?
Regarding the bold - On what planet? This doesn’t seem to be the trend here on earth.

The title question is offensive to the many gay Catholics who live good lives understanding their trial and living appropriately under the rules of the Church.

To get fruit from the Church, following the rules is pretty important.

Everything the Church teaches is available to be learned, it doesn’t take a secret handshake or a special letter of invitation to get the information.
 
I do know that if you want to be sure that a homosexual individual will write the entire Catholic church off completely and never get within 100 feet of one for the rest of their life–if you want to absolutely guarantee that such an individual loses all interest in ever learning about or having any interest in living a chaste Catholic life or becoming Catholic or if you want to make a true and permanent enemy for the church, one who will spend as many waking hours as God gives them belittling the church, its teachings, and every Catholic person out there–just start your conversation by calling them a pervert or disgusting or a dirty “fag” or tell them they are automatically condemned to hell (which you have absolutely NO way of knowing in the first place, BTW!) and you can selfishly make that happen right on the spot!🤷
Absolutely spot on.

And I wouldn’t want to stand and face my maker justifying how I drove sinners away from the Church resulting in their continuation of a life outside of God’s grace. I don’t think that would go down well at all.

Christ does not want us to help keep sinners outside of his grace, and to root out wrongdoers in our midst.
 
The problem is that there are Catholics who are confusing sentiment for people with SSA with believing homosexual acts are not sinfull and promote the legalizing of same sex marriage.
Well then people should open their Catechism and read CCC 2357-2359, or does that simply require too much effort?

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

The teachings of the Church are pretty clear and pretty straightforward. Those who feel homosexuals should not be welcomed are holding views that are in opposition to the teachings of our Church. Those who believe that homosexual acts are not gravely sinful are also holding views that are in opposition to the teachings of our Church. Catholics who hold such views are either too lazy to find out about the basic teachings of the Church, or are letting their own personal prejudices (on both sides) take precedence over the teachings of the Church (which isn’t unusual as many Catholics seem to do this on many issues).
 
…so how is the Church supposed to welcome the gay community? Rainbow banners draped over the entranceway? :D. (There’s actually a Protestant Church here in CA that did that exact thing)
 
IMHO, our Church name says it already. We are the Catholic (universal) Church. All are welcome here.

…we are one community, not a compilation of many -even if there are different rites. 👍
 
I’ve always suspected that Sodom and Gomorrha did even more than the basic sin for which they are forever immortalized. Basically, they represented a secular society that had completely turned away from God in every way–in some ways similarly to the USA today, which scares me a bit, I must add. To have 2 cities where God couldn’t even locate 10 men worth saving speaks volumes. Moreover, there must have been a complete hardening of their hearts–as Jesus said that sins against the Spirit are the only unforgivable sins–and my understanding is that a lifetime of completely hardening one’s heart is what that alludes to. Same sex attraction is disordered–but not in itself sinful. ACTING on that attraction outside of marriage is the sin–just the same as living with someone you aren’t married to in a sexual relationship is a sin. The rub of course, is that regardless of secular law, the “marriage” between 2 members of the same sex is never valid. So the minute a person with SSA begins to romantically date, much less have sex with a partner they are physically attracted to–they sin.

However, before I’d think I should cast a stone at a gay brother or sister, I’d want to be sure that I was as pure as the driven snow myself: had never engaged in premarital sex or adultery–in thought or deed–nor had I ever masturbated, looked at a porno fiick, sexted or any of 100 other ways that a heterosexual can commit a sin of the flesh that is just as unpleasant to God as the sin of the homosexual.

As the mother of a lesbian daughter, I make no excuse for her sin–nor do I seek to trivialize it in any way. I simply agree with Pope Francis’ observation that homosexuality and abortion are NOT the only 2 sins out there. Are we more interested in condemning sinners to hell and standing as their judge or in bringing them home to Jesus? Because if what we want is the 2nd option we need to think a little before we shoot off our mouths cruelly. As a heterosexual, can you imagine waking up in a world one morning and being told that no matter how much you loved and were sexually attracted to your husband or wife, that you must NEVER physically consummate that feeling? Because, right or wrong–that is what our homosexual brothers and sisters face daily. I don’t personally believe that God “makes” people gay–I personally believe that there are several issues at work–and believe me when I say that I’ve read every book and every study that I can find out there since my daughter came out to me. Also, I’m a women’s health care provider–so I’ve read medical journal articles on the subject and spoken to many, many women with SSA. I don’t know all the answers, if I did, I’d begin by curing my own child. I’m beginning to suspect some of the answers though–AND I do know that if you want to be sure that a homosexual individual will write the entire Catholic church off completely and never get within 100 feet of one for the rest of their life–if you want to absolutely guarantee that such an individual loses all interest in ever learning about or having any interest in living a chaste Catholic life or becoming Catholic or if you want to make a true and permanent enemy for the church, one who will spend as many waking hours as God gives them belittling the church, its teachings, and every Catholic person out there–just start your conversation by calling them a pervert or disgusting or a dirty “fag” or tell them they are automatically condemned to hell (which you have absolutely NO way of knowing in the first place, BTW!) and you can selfishly make that happen right on the spot!🤷
If you have a loved one who is a homosexual the key it’s to love them unconditionally but never affirm their behavior.And of course pray for them unceasingly
 
…we are one community, not a compilation of many -even if there are different rites. 👍
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There is only room for one community within the Catholic Church, and every individual on this planet is welcome to join that community. Sinners come to Christ as individuals, not as interest groups.
 
Great points Brendan. I think most of the people I encounter wouldnt care even if I put the Catechism in front of them. They let their own views take over the views of the Church. Good points, It is good to know what is driving them so we can get down to the heart of the issue.
 
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There is only room for one community within the Catholic Church, and every individual on this planet is welcome to join that community. Sinners come to Christ as individuals, not as interest groups.
Amen.
 
I am glad to see some in this online community welcoming to those who are gay such as myself. I am coming into the Church and I have been asked by those who are gay and have left the church why on earth would I come into it.

It makes me sad those that don’t feel like I should come into the Church. I am truly blessed that my parish and my priest love me for me not my sexuallity. They know I am gay. A bunch of 60-90 year old Italian men and women are happy and excited for me to be coming into the Faith. I am thankful I have that kind of support and not those who would turn me away at the door.

We need to love and care for one another. Not tear each other apart.
 
I am glad to see some in this online community welcoming to those who are gay such as myself. I am coming into the Church and I have been asked by those who are gay and have left the church why on earth would I come into it.
Welcome home! 🙂
 
A bunch of 60-90 year old Italian men and women are happy and excited for me to be coming into the Faith. I am thankful I have that kind of support and not those who would turn me away at the door.
Welcome home. 🙂
 
What is SSA? I do not know anyone outside these forums who uses that term. :rolleyes:
 
What is SSA? I do not know anyone outside these forums who uses that term. :rolleyes:
SSA = Same sex attraction.

It is a term that I have seen used here as a way to distinguish the condition from the practice of homosexuality.

Peace
James
 
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