Is it true that a Catholic that doesn t believe Catholic Dogmas is excommunicated?

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Is it true that a Catholic person that doesn t believe Catholic Dogmas is excommunicated? Because if it is true , many Catholics are excommunicated and i would be sorry for that.
 
I red that someone on this forum said that a Catholic person who believed that reincarnation is real was commiting a mortal sin and would be excommunicated. Is it true?
 
Samuel1991 said:
I red that someone on this forum said that a Catholic person who believed that reincarnation is real was commiting a mortal sin and would be excommunicated. Is it true?
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No.

Yes, belief in reincarnation is wrong.
No, one is not necessarily committing a mortal sin.
No, one is not automatically excommunicated because of it.

True AND false AND false = false. Basic truth table.
 
Are these Catholics that do not believe Catholic Dogmas Heretics? Are they guilty of Heresy?
 
Are these Catholics that do not believe Catholic Dogmas Heretics? Are they guilty of Heresy?
 
At what point does someone commit heresy, which does incur an excommunication?
 
If someone does not agree with any particular doctrines of the church, are they a heretic and are they excommunicated?
 
I don’t think you can be excommunicated simply by your own thoughts, it has to be imposed by a high ranking church official in an official document. Generally if you start writing books or giving speeches that the church is wrong, then you risk excommunication.
 
So I’m in no danger just because of what I might believe, or perhaps casually mention in conversation that I believe? This is an issue that has been troubling me and my priest has not given me a straight answer.
 
peter26 said:
If someone does not agree with any particular doctrines of the church, are they a heretic and are they excommunicated?
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Obstinate refusal to accept a teaching of the Church which she had judged to have been revealed by God can result in automatic excommunication, yes. There are various criteria which have to first be met, and I’m not a canon lawyer, and neither do I particularly care about minutiae like this. I accept whatever the Church teaches to have been revealed by God, and so I don’t have to worry about this.
 
I doubt that there is a simple black or white answer.

Has one been properly taught the complete set of Catholic Dogma?
Is one trying to gain better knowledge?
Is one praying for better understanding and stronger Belief?
A lack of sufficient understanding is not necessary UNBELIEF.

Is one speaking out against Catholic Dogma with the intent of pulling others away from it as compared to speaking out hoping for a good answer?

None of us can know the other’s heart and mind well enough to make any conclusion that one such person is “ex-communicated.”

Yet there are signs one is in serious trouble. For example:

One says he does not believe that Christ is indeed present in Holy Eucharist and yet receives. One claims Confession of mortal sin is not a requirement to receive Holy Eucharist worthily. In such a case, one may be “ex-communicated.” But that can be repaired by a sincere Confession.

One could say we all are ex-communicated for the length of time we have unconfessed mortal sin on our souls. Sincere Confession is so very important to all of us.
 
DanielStDominic said:
Obstinate refusal to accept a teaching of the Church which she had judged to have been revealed by God can result in automatic excommunication, yes. There are various criteria which have to first be met, and I’m not a canon lawyer, and neither do I particularly care about minutiae like this. I accept whatever the Church teaches to have been revealed by God, and so I don’t have to worry about this.
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Right.

A person who ‘obstinately’ refuses to accept dogmatic truths is in a state of heresy, and therefore, it might be the case that such a person has been automatically excommunicated, which can be confessed. Formal excommunication would probably occur if this obstinate refusal manifested into public denial, in whatever form.
 
peter26 said:
So I’m in no danger just because of what I might believe, or perhaps casually mention in conversation that I believe? This is an issue that has been troubling me and my priest has not given me a straight answer.
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Heresy is the obstinate, post-baptismal denial of an divinely revealed truth that must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or an obstinate doubt concerning the same.

Obstinate is a key term.

Material heresy. AKA objective heresy but held in good faith, i.e. the person doesn’t know any better.

Formal heresy. AKA bad heresy. The person professes to be Catholic and yet denies some truth that needs to be held.

It’s formal heresy that can get people excommunicated, and even then, several things must hold true before a penalty can attach, not the least of which includes malice, and knowledge that a penalty attaches.

Error is not considered malice.
 
And what is malice in this context? If I know the church teaches x, but I just do not believe that this teaching is true, where does that leave me?
 
peter26 said:
And what is malice in this context? If I know the church teaches x, but I just do not believe that this teaching is true, where does that leave me?
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That’s between you and your confessor.

But it’s very possible that you can now easily fall under the “obstinate” and “malicious” part of it, as described.

Once you learn that the Church teaches something to be definitively held, you definitively hold it. You are not required to understand, only to believe and accept.

The understanding will follow.
 
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