Is it true that a Catholic that doesn t believe Catholic Dogmas is excommunicated?

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Well I did confess this, and my priest just encouraged me to rephrase my confession in terms of “doubting” or “not understanding”, which really doesn’t cover it in my case. So what do I do about this? I know its tedious to explain what is and isn’t sinful and I don’t normally ask these sots of questions on here, but I’m really quite concerned about this.
 
Well I did confess this, and my priest just encouraged me to rephrase my confession in terms of “doubting” or “not understanding”, which really doesn’t cover it in my case. So what do I do about this? I know its tedious to explain what is and isn’t sinful and I don’t normally ask these sots of questions on here, but I’m really quite concerned about this.
You believe what the Church teaches, period.You do not necessarily need to understand the ins and outs.

The Church teaches God is one in three Persons. Believe it. How, exactly? You don’t necessarily have to know, although it is good.

The Church teaches that the Eucharist is the Real Presence of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ. Believe it. How exactly? The Church says transsubstantiation. How does that work? Well, unless you study philosophy in depth, you probably won’t understand it in full, but suffice it to say, even if you don’t understand it, you are probably in good shape to get on your knees and adore the Host in the monstrance.

If you don’t understand, admit that to yourself and start seeking the answers, with the premise that the Church is right,and if I disagree, I am wrong. You cannot know everything. None of us can.

Of you are doubting obstinately you could be in trouble. If you’re denying obstainately you can be in trouble. By obstinate, we mean you insist on holding on to your error rather than humbly accepting the divinely revealed truth.

Otherwise, this is between you and your confessor.
 
Someone who is very concerned that they might be in a state of obstinate denial is probably not in a state of ‘obstinate’ denial.

If one doesn’t agree with something doesn’t mean one is being internally obstinate.

Do what is necessary by asking God for help in prayer.
 
And what is malice in this context? If I know the church teaches x, but I just do not believe that this teaching is true, where does that leave me?
A priest explained this quite succinctly once. He said “one may dissent from church teaching, however, one may not preach it.”

You are free to not believe in Church teaching. Myself, I have some discomfort with certain elements of Catholic teaching, belief, and practice. I do however keep them to myself and look forward to the day the Lord will answer all my question.

However, if you don’t believe in the teachings of the Creed we say at all Masses, then I think your problem goes beyond dissent, and wanders into the area of separation from the Church. Something you really ought to do. Professing the Catholic faith, while not believing in it, is a form of false witness; something that’s a big no-no according to those stone tablets that came down from Sinai.

Heresy has to be preached in some form or another (oral or written) to be an excommunicable offense. As to casual conversation, depends on how those to whom you are speaking perceive you.

Shalom
 
A priest explained this quite succinctly once. He said “one may dissent from church teaching, however, one may not preach it.”

You are free to not believe in Church teaching. Myself, I have some discomfort with certain elements of Catholic teaching, belief, and practice. I do however keep them to myself and look forward to the day the Lord will answer all my question.

However, if you don’t believe in the teachings of the Creed we say at all Masses, then I think your problem goes beyond dissent, and wanders into the area of separation from the Church. Something you really ought to do. Professing the Catholic faith, while not believing in it, is a form of false witness; something that’s a big no-no according to those stone tablets that came down from Sinai.

Heresy has to be preached in some form or another (oral or written) to be an excommunicable offense. As to casual conversation, depends on how those to whom you are speaking perceive you.

Shalom
No, one may not “dissent” from Church teaching, especially when regarding infallible dogmas. This would signify an ‘obstinate’ refusal to submit to divine truths and would be the equivalent of being in a state of heresy. One can be unable to grasp and quietly disagree or debate over a topic with an openness to learning but this is different to dissenting.
 
And there I was thinking I had an easy way out of this quandary. If I in good conscience can not agree with a dogma taught by the church (not I think anything regarded as infallible), then what do I do?
 
And there I was thinking I had an easy way out of this quandary. If I in good conscience can not agree with a dogma taught by the church (not I think anything regarded as infallible), then what do I do?
  1. Don’t panic.
  2. Pray. One could ask God for wisdom and humility (not saying you don’t have any, btw).
  3. Look up from trustworthy sources, the question in your head.
  4. Be patient. Don’t give up.
God bless.
 
A priest explained this quite succinctly once. He said “one may dissent from church teaching, however, one may not preach it.”

You are free to not believe in Church teaching. Myself, I have some discomfort with certain elements of Catholic teaching, belief, and practice. I do however keep them to myself and look forward to the day the Lord will answer all my question.

However, if you don’t believe in the teachings of the Creed we say at all Masses, then I think your problem goes beyond dissent, and wanders into the area of separation from the Church. Something you really ought to do. Professing the Catholic faith, while not believing in it, is a form of false witness; something that’s a big no-no according to those stone tablets that came down from Sinai.

Heresy has to be preached in some form or another (oral or written) to be an excommunicable offense. As to casual conversation, depends on how those to whom you are speaking perceive you.

Shalom
edwest2 gave the complete answer with references. #24

**8 sins carry that penalty of excommunication

**

  1. *]apostasy
    *]**heresy,
    **
    *]**schism (CIC 1364:1), covers sins 1-3
    **
    *]**violating the sacred species (CIC 1367),
    **
    *]**physically attacking the pope (CIC 1370:1),
    **
    *]sacramentally absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin (CIC 1378:1),
    *]**consecrating a bishop without authorization (CIC 1382),
    **
    *]and directly violating the seal of confession (1388:1).”
 
And there I was thinking I had an easy way out of this quandary. If I in good conscience can not agree with a dogma taught by the church (not I think anything regarded as infallible), then what do I do?
If you already know that the Church teaches this dogma, you have no “good conscience” reason because your conscience is now informed. If you obstinately refuse to assent to this teaching, you could be culpable.

Belief is not an emotion. It’s an act of the will.

You should seek guidance off these forums, such as your pastor. But if this is not hypothetical, and this is a real situation, then you’re on shaky ground.
 
This is a real situation, not a hypothetical. I have already talked to my pastor about this in confession, and when I confessed to denial of dogmas taught by the church, his answer was to persuade me I don’t deny anything but instead have doubts. I could just about by persuaded by this since I am hardly 100% sure my belief is correct, its just a belief after all.

Obviously, there is a potential catch-22 situation here, since if my denial (even inward denial) of dogmas constitutes heresy, I can not be validly absolved for that since I have no intention of amendment. How can I after all change my beliefs by willpower?
 
This is a real situation, not a hypothetical. I have already talked to my pastor about this in confession, and when I confessed to denial of dogmas taught by the church, his answer was to persuade me I don’t deny anything but instead have doubts. I could just about by persuaded by this since I am hardly 100% sure my belief is correct, its just a belief after all.

Obviously, there is a potential catch-22 situation here, since if my denial (even inward denial) of dogmas constitutes heresy, I can not be validly absolved for that since I have no intention of amendment. How can I after all change my beliefs by willpower?
It is possible to believe, even if you don’t understand. It’s called trust, and trust is an act of the will. To believe is an act of the will, not of the emotions.

That’s why I am very in-your-face when I say: Believe it. Because belief is not subject to your emotions. It’s your will saying, The Church teaches it, therefore, I believe it.
 
It is possible to believe, even if you don’t understand. It’s called trust, and trust is an act of the will. To believe is an act of the will, not of the emotions.

That’s why I am very in-your-face when I say: Believe it. Because belief is not subject to your emotions. It’s your will saying, The Church teaches it, therefore, I believe it.
*“You should seek guidance off these forums, such as your pastor”.
*

“I have already talked to my pastor about this in confession, and when I confessed to denial of dogmas taught by the church, his answer was to persuade me I don’t deny anything but instead have doubts.”
 
No, one may not “dissent” from Church teaching, especially when regarding infallible dogmas. This would signify an ‘obstinate’ refusal to submit to divine truths and would be the equivalent of being in a state of heresy. One can be unable to grasp and quietly disagree or debate over a topic with an openness to learning but this is different to dissenting.
Okay, I am slowly learning that one must be very precise in posting on these forums.

I agree with the provision that one may not dissent from infallible dogmas. That wasn’t the jist of my comments. One may dissent (use the term disagree) with non infallible dogmas. The teaching on the use of artificial birth control is not infallible as is Mary was ever Virgin. Things like indulgences, relics, private revelation, Marian apparitions, teaching on the nature of sin, those are not infallible in the same sense that Jesus is present in body and mind, soul and divinity in the Eucharist, or Jesus is consubstantial with the Father. My point is, my dissent is mine only, it becomes extremely serious if preach it to others, but I have the free will and the right to follow my conscience privately, when it comes to non-infallible dogmas.

A very fine priest once said in a retreat seminar that what we as Catholics must believe and not dissent from is contained in the Creed said at Mass. I may not dissent from the dogma that Mary is the Mother of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, but I may privately dissent from the position that Mary showed the children at Fatima a vision of hell and it is a big pit of fire and brimstone. Marian apparitions are not dogma of the RCC. Just one example.

Shalom
 
Okay thanks for that. The main things I have an issue with are
  1. The infallibility of the Pope
  2. The notion that there is only one church which received a mandate from Christ.
These are not regarded as infallible dogmas?
 
And there I was thinking I had an easy way out of this quandary. If I in good conscience can not agree with a dogma taught by the church (not I think anything regarded as infallible), then what do I do?
Pray.

Pray for understanding and humility.

It took me years to accept the dogmas of the Church.

It is a journey of discovery and understanding. You are not required to accept it all in one day. Some probably do but for some, like you and me, it takes time.
 
Okay thanks for that. The main things I have an issue with are
  1. The infallibility of the Pope
  2. The notion that there is only one church which received a mandate from Christ.
These are not regarded as infallible dogmas?
What are your doubts and questions on the above two?

Instead of being hyper focused on the possibility of being a heretic, focus on obtaining answers for your questions and doubts.

You can post your question on the Ask an Apologist forum.

Sign up for classes in your local parish to understand Church doctrine better.
 
Okay thanks for that. The main things I have an issue with are
  1. The infallibility of the Pope
  2. The notion that there is only one church which received a mandate from Christ.
These are not regarded as infallible dogmas?
Certainly these are infallible teachings of the church. The former was declared so by the first Vatican council. The latter because we have Jesus’s exact words and it is in the Apostles Creed and Niceness Creed. . It is accepted by all of Christianity.
 
No offense but I think that worrying about excommunication that much is a sign of scrupulosity. I know in my case that’s what it was.
 
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