Is it wrong for a Catholic woman to work and have a family?

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So all of those unmarried, chaste, God-fearing women…who surprise aren’t nuns…are, clearly, not following God’s will for women. I’d love to see my MIL read this thread. She’d get a kick out of it. She is divorced and unmarried and her two children are grown adults with families of their own.
She lives in a small apartment that doesn’t need much caring for. And, of course, no husband to dote upon.
What is she to do?
Oh, that’s right. She goes to work full time.

I’m sorry…but we are getting dangerously close to the barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen scenario.

God-forbid I step outside for some fresh air.

“ARGHHH…bright light, bright light, bright light!” :rolleyes:
If your MIL is past child bearing age _ I assume she is, then she is of little importance to some.
 
Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

First, the whole notion of a bread-winning husband and home-making wife is a family pattern that is firmly rooted in Sacred Scipture (see Titus 2: 4,5). This arrangement, which gave stability to both the family and wider society, has sadly been gradually abandoned, reaping a bitter harvest in terms of family breakdown and emotionally damaged children. Only by a diminuition of Christian principles could our current situation ever have become possible, a situation where children frequently come home from school to empty homes (‘latch-key children’) and where mothers are no longer available as full-time guides and carers, always on hand to counsel and console and sharing in the daily ups and downs of young life in sympathy and understanding.

Whilst, dear friends, I do not think that we can argue that it is intrinsically evil for a woman to work and have a family in every single circumstance, I do not believe that it is desirable or in the best interests of the children. As the Catechism of the Council of Trent states: “The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave home without her husband’s consent”. Thus, for example, if a husband has a long term physical or mental health problem that precludes him from working, then there may be a necessity for the wife to go out and earn a living if possible.

Pope Leo XIII’s Encyclical, Rerum Novarum, clearly favours the position that a married women will ideally be a ‘keeper at home’ and care for her husband and children:

“Women, again, are not suited for certain occupations; a woman is by nature fitted for home-work, and it is that which is best adapted at once to preserve her modesty and promote the good bringing up of children and the well-being of the family”.

It should be observed, dear friends, that Pope Leo does not establish his remarks upon any social circumstances or customs which can and do indeed change, but rather upon the nature of woman, which never changes from one generation to the next. Again, although it is manifestly obvious to housewives themselves, many others, especially today, overlook the fact that being a housewife* is* work. In Pope Leo’s remarks the Church acknowledges it as such, thus when other subsequent Popes speak of ‘working women’ we ought to see that as not excluding being a ‘keeper at home’ or homemaker.

Unfortunately, dear friends, owing to a barrage of aberrant feminist propaganda, especially since the permissive Sixties, woman have been made to feel unfulfilled and somehow incomplete unless they are a part of the workforce. This is a monumental tragedy of the first rank and is actually demeaning to women because it is tacit denial of the true ‘nature’ of womanhood. How very sad it was last year to hear Cherie Blair (wife of the former UK Prime Minister and a professing Catholic) launch an astonishing attack on women homemakers, warning that it was ‘dangerous’ for women to rely upon their husbands. Moreover, she criticised what she termed “yummy mummies” (where do they get these silly phrases from?) who marry wealthy men and put their energies into rearing children rather than concentrating on their careers. How deeply saddening to hear such remarks from someone who professes the holy religion of Christ!
Wonderful post my dear brother in Christ!

My wife is a stay at home mom and she homeschools our little one. We feel that it is important for the spiritual well-being of the whole family for mom to stay at home and nourish our child with the teachings of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ… We are very far from wealthy, but we are able to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table. We could not imagine it any other way. My wife’s job is more difficult than mine…especially when you add in the homeschooling…but I help very much with grocery shopping and house cleaning. And of course I assist in homeschooling and Bible study when I am home.

Peace and blessings to you for bringing this subject to the attention of the forum.
 
Wonderful post my dear brother in Christ!

My wife is a stay at home mom and she homeschools our little one. We feel that it is important for the spiritual well-being of the whole family for mom to stay at home and nourish our child with the teachings of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ… We are very far from wealthy, but we are able to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table. We could not imagine it any other way. My wife’s job is more difficult than mine…especially when you add in the homeschooling…but I help very much with grocery shopping and house cleaning. And of course I assist in homeschooling and Bible study when I am home.

Peace and blessings to you for bringing this subject to the attention of the forum.
I see Portrait has two accounts…:rolleyes:
 
Though Portrait and I will never see eye to eye on… well… anything, let’s all play nice, shall we?

I feel like we’ve all kinda bullied Portrait a little bit… myself included… and I don’t feel too good about it to be honest.
 
Though Portrait and I will never see eye to eye on… well… anything, let’s all play nice, shall we?

I feel like we’ve all kinda bullied Portrait a little bit… myself included… and I don’t feel too good about it to be honest.
I wouldn’t say bullied. I would say disagree. It is not my desire as woman, wife and mother (empty nester now), to go back to the 1566 (interesting how only men were part of this council) or 1956 in order to prove I am a virtuous Christian woman/wife.

I am my husband’s help-mate. In our younger days when the plant closed and he lost his job, I found a job to help with the bills. I found I enjoyed working and kept working to this day. Seven more years, I retire. DH has been retired for about a year.

I didn’t sit and whine, and say, “Oh what are we going to do?, How will we manage?” I pulled up my big-girl panties and went to work.

“Don’t look back, we’re not going that way.”

Look what happened to Lot’s wife…just sayin’ 🤷
 
Though Portrait and I will never see eye to eye on… well… anything, let’s all play nice, shall we?

I feel like we’ve all kinda bullied Portrait a little bit… myself included… and I don’t feel too good about it to be honest.
I do think it’s rude to keep making fun of him when he’s not here. But what we did before wasn’t bullying, it was a concerted effort to change his thinking and set the record straight. Women can work and be faithful Catholics. That’s a fact. Stating the facts isn’t usually bullying.

Saying he has two accounts is just mean, though. 😦
 
It is not my desire as woman, wife and mother (empty nester now), to go back to the 1566 (interesting how only men were part of this council) or 1956 in order to prove I am a virtuous Christian woman/wife.
Interestingly enough, it was under the influence of Protestantism that women became increasingly domesticated in 16th century England, and the public and domestic spheres became to be seen as separated. Before this, under Catholicism, women were much more present in the trades, owned more shops, and managed their own estates.
 
Interestingly enough, it was under the influence of Protestantism that women became increasingly domesticated in 16th century England, and the public and domestic spheres became to be seen as separated. Before this, under Catholicism, women were much more present in the trades, owned more shops, and managed their own estates.
Interesting!! Gotta love my Catholic Church–ever the woman’s advocate, just like Jesus!
 
I wouldn’t say bullied. I would say disagree. It is not my desire as woman, wife and mother (empty nester now), to go back to the 1566 (interesting how only men were part of this council) or 1956 in order to prove I am a virtuous Christian woman/wife.

I am my husband’s help-mate. In our younger days when the plant closed and he lost his job, I found a job to help with the bills. I found I enjoyed working and kept working to this day. Seven more years, I retire. DH has been retired for about a year.

I didn’t sit and whine, and say, “Oh what are we going to do?, How will we manage?” I pulled up my big-girl panties and went to work.

“Don’t look back, we’re not going that way.”

Look what happened to Lot’s wife…just sayin’ 🤷
Julianna, trust me. There is no one who agrees with you more on this issue than myself. And I think some of the things that were said here by the poster in question were very sexist and objectifying towards women, and they made me angry.

However, I don’t think that all we did was “disagree.” I think some of us, myself included, were unnecessarily rude in a mocking, making fun sort of way. That’s why I feel like he got bullied a little bit. Regardless of whether or not I agree with him (I don’t) I still feel bad about the way a few of us handled it. That’s all.
 
I do think it’s rude to keep making fun of him when he’s not here. But what we did before wasn’t bullying, it was a concerted effort to change his thinking and set the record straight. Women can work and be faithful Catholics. That’s a fact. Stating the facts isn’t usually bullying.

Saying he has two accounts is just mean, though. 😦
Oh, it wasn’t you Kamaduck. You were fine.

And yes, saying he has 2 accounts is one of the things I was referring to when I say he got bullied a little bit. Though I have to admit, I did chuckle a little bit when I saw that, It ultimately made me feel bad.
 
We could probably scrape by on my salary alone if we added two children to our family. Probably scrape by. I mean scrape by, not live a lavish lifestyle. I’m talking small house, 1 car (needed to get to work and buy groceries), very low almost non-existent entertainment and clothing budget, etc.

The thing is, Debora, what would happen if I lose my job for some unforeseen reason? There are teacher cutbacks happening all across the country. You just never know, it could happen without having anything to do with performance.

IF my wife was the only out-of-the-house worker, however, and IF I contributed a thousand or two a month by working from home (as she could not do), then we could probably afford a better lifestyle AND have enough to sock away $1,500 a month for savings, retirement and college funds to better prepare ours (and our children’s) future and insure ourselves against the potential of job loss/job problems AND we would still have 1 parent at home for the kids… while she would still get maternity leave at the very least (not a picnic by any means, but it’s something.)

That, to me, is a no-brainer.
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I think my husband and I would come to the same conclusion as you and your wife did. 🙂
 
“i’m drawn more to traditional catholicism, but don’t necessarily want the housewife type of girl to marry.”

Um…what is the “housewife type of girl?” I know a bunch of stay-at-home moms who are college educated, including my mother. You have to be smart to run a home well. I’m going to be a teacher next year. (I’m graduating from college a year early.) So I would stay at home with the kids if I married my boyfriend since he would make more. If I were a doctor and/or he was a teacher or something I don’t see anything wrong with the man staying at home!
 
Bullying? Really? It was meant as a light-hearted jab. Some of you really need to relax and grow a sense of humor. Jeez. Besides, I am fairly certain Portrait will let it glide right off his back like water off a duck. It seems he always does.
 
It depends on the circumstances. If her husband doesn’t make enough money, she should help out by working. Sometimes she can work from home. If she doesn’t have children, she can work certainly. If her husband makes enough and she feels called to stay at home and raise her kids, she should do that instead.
 
Sure, but I believe this applies as well:

Is it wrong for a Catholic man to work and have a family?

It depends on the circumstances. If his wife doesn’t make enough money, he should help out by working. Sometimes he can work from home. If he doesn’t have children, he can work certainly. If his wife makes enough and he feels called to stay at home and raise his kids, he should do that instead.

This certainly applies to us. I make enough money, and he feels called to stay at home and raise his kids, but does help out by doing gigs on weekends and earning a bit of extra cash while the kids are asleep. He’s a wonderful husband and father.
 
I believe there is no “one-size fits all” answer to this question.

Assuming the husband can provide for the family on one-income, (which is debatable, as some people believe that ‘providing’ must mean two cars, a big house and vacations…)
Then it’s in the best interest of the children to have a Mother who stays at home.

I’m a college graduate, a Librarian, and was a Governmental Unionized worker.
However, my family comes before my career.
I also want to home-school my children.

So I figured I could find a job, earning enough to hopefully pay for a second car, gas, and daycare.
Or I could stay home and raise my children.
It was a no-brainer to me too. 🤷

However, I can understand that it’s a tough decision to make.
You get a lot more recognition in a job where you get a paycheque and promotions, as opposed to doing the laundry. 🤷

Peace,
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Assuming the husband can provide for the family on one-income, (which is debatable, as some people believe that ‘providing’ must mean two cars, a big house and vacations…)
Then it’s in the best interest of the children to have a Mother who stays at home.
This is true, and I am one of those people. To me, providing doesn’t mean providing the bare minimum to survive… ie. living in a trailer in an unsafe part of town, having one janky car which probably isn’t very reliable, having to stress every week about whether there will be enough food on the table, not being able to send your kids to good schools, not being able to go visit family on Christmas (or ever), and having to send my kids off into the world with handymedown/good will clothes.

I’m sure some here will call me selfish and materialistic, and that’s completely fine, but I fully believe that adequately providing for a family means being able to give them a better, safer, and more secure quality of life than described above.

I am very blessed that my husband will be making enough money to provide my future children and I with a decent home, reliable cars, and the means to visit family that will be living far away. I am very very blessed for that, because I really want to be a sahm and I am glad I will get the opportunity to. However, if my husband wasn’t making enough to afford that, then you better believe I’d be out there helping him adequately provide a good life for our children. And if anyone here wants to say that’s sinful and selfish and materialistic of me, then so be it! 🙂
 
So I figured I could find a job, earning enough to hopefully pay for a second car, gas, and daycare.
Or I could stay home and raise my children.
Forgive me for once again derailing the thread :o

There are things in US economy that greatly puzzle me, and this is one of them: how can one paycheck (the mother’s) cover only a car, gas, and daycare (expenses connected with actually having the job), while the other paycheck in the family (the father’s) covers a car, gas, and all the other expenses the family has (bills, food, clothes, and anything else people spend money on)?

This is so often cited as the reason why it makes more sense for US mothers to stay at home.

Is daycare that expensive? Or are women’s salaries in the US so low? Would the father’s salary also only cover daycare and the car and gas he uses to get to work?

Thank you in advance for clarifying this to me.
 
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