Is it wrong for my husband to look at other girls?

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Prayershark: As my great Uncle George told me on my first visit to the gentleman’s club.

Son, it doesn’t matter where you work up the appetite, as long as you go home to eat.

Catholics are supposed to follow Matthew 27-28 not Uncle George.
 
Really?!? We’re speculating truth now; specifically her husband’s motivation for sex?

Welcome aboard the judgmental crazy train, choo, chooooooooooo. :rolleyes:
Does he have any responsibility for her experience that day and night or is he blameless in every way?
 
Be careful of impossible standards. The way is narrow, but not that narrow. By this standard, at least half of all married couples at the beach, at the water park, at the ball game, at the park, etc., are already in trouble. Does Gordon want all those marriages broken up over this? Do people really desire that outcome? Are men to be held to nearly impossible standards? We can go down this rabbit hole for days …
Are you saying that at least half of all married couples ogle and lust after others on a regular basis? I suppose it could be true, but it’s a disheartening, disgusting thought.

I personally don’t feel that expecting a spouse to not lust after others is an impossible standard. I think mainstream society portrays it as an impossible standard, but if we’re going by what mainstream society deems normal then the OP deserves the harshest criticism we can muster. She should be buying her hubby porn and pointing out the hottest girls at the water park then encouraging him to fantasize about them when they get home. Then again, that sort of advice might be a little contrary to the spirit of a Catholic website.
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To be clear, I get the ogling part, I get that he went overboard with it and I get how the wife feels disrespected by it. They need to discuss it face to face, not by text. But if she expects him to never look at women again, then they should move to a country where women dress in burqas and chadors. Is that what she really wants? I should think not. Hence, they need to find a middle ground. She has to understand he will look, he has to understand to keep that looking under control. In the end, we have to acknowledge that it was her that her husband wanted to have sex with, not any of these other women. Somewhere in her heart, she needs to be glad he still desires her even though the context was not right this time. Or theirs is going to be a short marriage.
Remember, he wasn’t looking; he was straining his neck to continue staring lasciviously at these nearly-naked young women and girls as long as he possibly could until they were completely out of sight, then going home and using his wife to satisfy his lustful urges (and I’m not naive enough to believe that he wasn’t fantasizing about them while he was having sex with his wife). Again, I don’t believe it’s an impossible standard to expect a man to not do this. When all a guy ever hears is that it’s okay and normal, he’s not going to see a problem with it. However, speaking from experience, the moment I decided it was a problem, when I saw how much it upset and hurt my wife, that’s when it stopped feeling normal and started feeling wrong. It’s not an easy urge to turn off but it’s not impossible either.

As for the notion that she ought to be glad he still wants to grace her with his manliness from time to time, I think that’s a crock as well. It sounds way too much like the “stand by your man” rhetoric used on a lot of the abused and cheated-on women I’ve known. I have one friend now who struggles with how much time her husband spends with his female friends, at the strip clubs and watching porn. At least a couple times a week a friend or family member will tell her to count her blessings because she’s the one he comes home to every night (or at least most nights). If he was a real man she wouldn’t have to settle for being a consolation prize.
 
Are you saying that at least half of all married couples ogle and lust after others on a regular basis? I suppose it could be true, but it’s a disheartening, disgusting thought.

I personally don’t feel that expecting a spouse to not lust after others is an impossible standard. I think mainstream society portrays it as an impossible standard, but if we’re going by what mainstream society deems normal then the OP deserves the harshest criticism we can muster. She should be buying her hubby porn and pointing out the hottest girls at the water park then encouraging him to fantasize about them when they get home. Then again, that sort of advice might be a little contrary to the spirit of a Catholic website.

Remember, he wasn’t looking; he was straining his neck to continue staring lasciviously at these nearly-naked young women and girls as long as he possibly could until they were completely out of sight, then going home and using his wife to satisfy his lustful urges (and I’m not naive enough to believe that he wasn’t fantasizing about them while he was having sex with his wife). Again, I don’t believe it’s an impossible standard to expect a man to not do this. When all a guy ever hears is that it’s okay and normal, he’s not going to see a problem with it. However, speaking from experience, the moment I decided it was a problem, when I saw how much it upset and hurt my wife, that’s when it stopped feeling normal and started feeling wrong. It’s not an easy urge to turn off but it’s not impossible either.

As for the notion that she ought to be glad he still wants to grace her with his manliness from time to time, I think that’s a crock as well. It sounds way too much like the “stand by your man” rhetoric used on a lot of the abused and cheated-on women I’ve known. I have one friend now who struggles with how much time her husband spends with his female friends, at the strip clubs and watching porn. At least a couple times a week a friend or family member will tell her to count her blessings because she’s the one he comes home to every night (or at least most nights). If he was a real man she wouldn’t have to settle for being a consolation prize.
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I’ve posted numerous times on these boards about some of the troubles in my marriage, that I just didn’t have an outlet to discuss with others in person. So some of you may know that my husband has narcissistic tendencies. He’s not as bad as it could be, and he’s developing awareness, but you’d think this would be a great example of an issue for us, considering what mainstream society tells us about men and their “needs.” My husband does struggle with being self-centered and seeking his own gratification and ignoring the feelings and needs of others.

But somehow, besides this and being a man in his 20s with a high sex drive, looking at other women has never, ever been a problem for us. We go to the beach and pool, not to mention the attire that some people think is appropriate anywhere, and he doesn’t look. Yes, sometimes he notices - but it’s a notice, and then he looks away, and goes back to whatever he was doing before. I used to get bothered by the noticing itself, because I was really insecure, but then I realized I was being hypocritical because I noticed attractive men too, and it wasn’t fair for me to hold him to a higher (impossible) standard. When faced with temptation, my husband has learned how to do the right thing. I asked him once about it, because a lot of his male friends unfortunately think they have every right in the universe to ogle every woman out there and I wanted to know why he was different. He told me that it was his father, who taught him from a very early age to respect women “as people not things.”

Have to say, I’m really grateful for my father-in-law.
 
Are you saying that at least half of all married couples ogle and lust after others on a regular basis? I suppose it could be true, but it’s a disheartening, disgusting thought.

I personally don’t feel that expecting a spouse to not lust after others is an impossible standard. I think mainstream society portrays it as an impossible standard, but if we’re going by what mainstream society deems normal then the OP deserves the harshest criticism we can muster. She should be buying her hubby porn and pointing out the hottest girls at the water park then encouraging him to fantasize about them when they get home. Then again, that sort of advice might be a little contrary to the spirit of a Catholic website.

Remember, he wasn’t looking; he was straining his neck to continue staring lasciviously at these nearly-naked young women and girls as long as he possibly could until they were completely out of sight, then going home and using his wife to satisfy his lustful urges (and I’m not naive enough to believe that he wasn’t fantasizing about them while he was having sex with his wife). Again, I don’t believe it’s an impossible standard to expect a man to not do this. When all a guy ever hears is that it’s okay and normal, he’s not going to see a problem with it. However, speaking from experience, the moment I decided it was a problem, when I saw how much it upset and hurt my wife, that’s when it stopped feeling normal and started feeling wrong. It’s not an easy urge to turn off but it’s not impossible either.

As for the notion that she ought to be glad he still wants to grace her with his manliness from time to time, I think that’s a crock as well. It sounds way too much like the “stand by your man” rhetoric used on a lot of the abused and cheated-on women I’ve known. I have one friend now who struggles with how much time her husband spends with his female friends, at the strip clubs and watching porn. At least a couple times a week a friend or family member will tell her to count her blessings because she’s the one he comes home to every night (or at least most nights). If he was a real man she wouldn’t have to settle for being a consolation prize.
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Hey secondop,

I would agree with the idea of seeing a good priest or counselor, especially if he still believes that he hasn’t done anything wrong.

I also noticed that you said that you confronted him via text message. While I can see why this was necessary at that time (he texted you about going back), I strongly recommend speaking to him about this in person whenever possible. Or at least on the phone. When we use texting, it is easy to misinterpret what a person is trying to say because there is no way of knowing exactly **how **the person is saying it (tone, body language, etc.) and the devil is more than happy to persuade us to assume the worst.

God bless
We have a very great marriage counselor/deacon to go to. He is the one who prepared us for our wedding. A very, very smart and holy man., married, himself for 30 years and has 6 or 7 kids. My husband and I will be meeting with him very soon. Anyhow, I did get to sit down and talk with my husband, finally, yesterday. He says he knows what he did was wrong and says it’ll never ever happen again. I am confident his words are true! I love this man!
And, I totally get what you’re saying about misinterpretation of text messages. it happens to me all the time and you’re exactly right, I always assume the worst. I am thankful that I had everyone s support on here and all your prayers. They were a tremendous help! Thank you guys!
 
We have a very great marriage counselor/deacon to go to. He is the one who prepared us for our wedding. A very, very smart and holy man., married, himself for 30 years and has 6 or 7 kids. My husband and I will be meeting with him very soon. Anyhow, I did get to sit down and talk with my husband, finally, yesterday. He says he knows what he did was wrong and says it’ll never ever happen again. I am confident his words are true! I love this man!
And, I totally get what you’re saying about misinterpretation of text messages. it happens to me all the time and you’re exactly right, I always assume the worst. I am thankful that I had everyone s support on here and all your prayers. They were a tremendous help! Thank you guys!
It’s good to hear that you guys talked it out and that your husband seems to be understanding your concerns better.

No one ever said marriage isn’t hard work. 😉 Communication and forgiveness are key. God bless you both.
 
Well, Cat, I think your posts contain a lot of wisdom. It is quite possible that the husband was “overly excited” for any number of reasons and not directly tied to the views at the water park. I know mine can at times get that way after a family day–even if it’s a trip with the kids out somewhere where it’s just our family and no other people. It’s very possible for men to become overly excited for any reason or no reason, or because they are happy that their family had a great time at an activity…it isn’t always from what we as ladies assume it is. It is entirely possible that the husband was not aware of his wives feelings until asking if they could return. Remember, she says the conversation happened over text message so he may very well have not gotten the extent of her feelings and by answering “you’re mean” could have been his attempt at humor because he wasn’t aware of her hurt. We have heard one side of the story, and I know that this wife is hurting. But to try to talk about something so personal over a text message shows a lack of judgment in her part and kind of backs her husband into a corner. Quite often men will make poor attempts at humor as defense. Also, the wife states she has a jealous streak. It’s entirely possible that her husband may believe that her jealousy is just showing itself and doesn’t know the degree of hurt she feels. Or maybe even in her jealousy she has misread the actions of her husband.

I’ve been married quite a bit longer than 4 years and so I also see this as a new marriage. There is no reason for this to be such a major situation like it’s becoming. Texting, especially when angry or hurt, is never the way to attempt an important conversation. I understand that he texted first, but you should answer along the lines of, “We can talk about this when you get home.” My husband is gone a lot and sometimes it seems texting is the only way we talk, but important things get reserved for phone calls, emails, or time permitting, in person. Take this as an opportunity to grow closer in marriage instead of blowing up and causing deeper harm. If he really did “just use you for release” you need to make it clear–through calm conversation–that it is unacceptable. Let him know that it is hurtful and you will not allow it to happen again. But if you are wrong about the way it all played out be willing to apologize for your suspiciousness of him. If he is a decent man he will understand and make adjustments to prevent future problems.
 
Well, Cat, I think your posts contain a lot of wisdom. It is quite possible that the husband was “overly excited” for any number of reasons and not directly tied to the views at the water park. I know mine can at times get that way after a family day–even if it’s a trip with the kids out somewhere where it’s just our family and no other people. It’s very possible for men to become overly excited for any reason or no reason, or because they are happy that their family had a great time at an activity…it isn’t always from what we as ladies assume it is. It is entirely possible that the husband was not aware of his wives feelings until asking if they could return. Remember, she says the conversation happened over text message so he may very well have not gotten the extent of her feelings and by answering “you’re mean” could have been his attempt at humor because he wasn’t aware of her hurt. We have heard one side of the story, and I know that this wife is hurting. But to try to talk about something so personal over a text message shows a lack of judgment in her part and kind of backs her husband into a corner. Quite often men will make poor attempts at humor as defense. Also, the wife states she has a jealous streak. It’s entirely possible that her husband may believe that her jealousy is just showing itself and doesn’t know the degree of hurt she feels. Or maybe even in her jealousy she has misread the actions of her husband.

I’ve been married quite a bit longer than 4 years and so I also see this as a new marriage. There is no reason for this to be such a major situation like it’s becoming. Texting, especially when angry or hurt, is never the way to attempt an important conversation. I understand that he texted first, but you should answer along the lines of, “We can talk about this when you get home.” My husband is gone a lot and sometimes it seems texting is the only way we talk, but important things get reserved for phone calls, emails, or time permitting, in person. Take this as an opportunity to grow closer in marriage instead of blowing up and causing deeper harm. If he really did “just use you for release” you need to make it clear–through calm conversation–that it is unacceptable. Let him know that it is hurtful and you will not allow it to happen again. But if you are wrong about the way it all played out be willing to apologize for your suspiciousness of him. If he is a decent man he will understand and make adjustments to prevent future problems.
Thanks for a thoughtful post. Lots of wisdom here.

Men are extremely sensitive when it comes to sexual issues. Even if it seems that the men are behaving like animals, we women still need to tread very gently in this area of our marriages, and be scrupulously careful to preserve the dignity and manhood of the man we loved and married.
 
We have a very great marriage counselor/deacon to go to. He is the one who prepared us for our wedding. A very, very smart and holy man., married, himself for 30 years and has 6 or 7 kids. My husband and I will be meeting with him very soon. Anyhow, I did get to sit down and talk with my husband, finally, yesterday. He says he knows what he did was wrong and says it’ll never ever happen again. I am confident his words are true! I love this man!
And, I totally get what you’re saying about misinterpretation of text messages. it happens to me all the time and you’re exactly right, I always assume the worst. I am thankful that I had everyone s support on here and all your prayers. They were a tremendous help! Thank you guys!
Awesome! Glad to hear it is working out well!!
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God bless you and your husband!
 
One lesson that was reinforced for me from this thread is that problems in marriage should not be discussed in text or email, they need to be discussed face to face or over the phone. Bitterhope’s suggested text message response “Let’s talk about this when you get home” should be the gold standard in situations like this where feelings run high about a topic brought up in a text message. It can be seen how quickly the OP got a resolution once she talked in person with her husband about it.
 
I don’t go to beaches anymore because some times it is hard not to stare.
I think if going to water parks casues him to sin you guys shouldn’t go to them.
 
I am a husband and father and have been married for 17 years. There is a good book I’d like to recommend for men on this subject, *Every Man’s Battle *by Fred Stoeker and Stephen Arterburn.

I agree that it is not acceptable for any spouse to be staring down members of the opposite sex as it really feeds lust. The book teaches the concept of “bouncing” - as soon as a man lays eyes on an attractive woman, "bounce’ the eyes somewhere else.

I acknowledge that there is nothing wrong when seeing a member of the opposite sex to acknowledge his/her God given beauty for we are all human. But it is critical to move on immediately by gaining custody of the eyes or “bouncing”. As men we are surrounded by other woman all the time in public. It is impractical to think that we will not see an attractive woman at sometime. It is important, however, to work and mature at techniques of “bouncing”.

I admit, sometimes I still struggle and fall and catch myself to late. I then say a quick prayer to St. Michael and ask the Lord’s forgiveness - I remember who I am and what treasure I have in my marriage. A priest has once taught me to just think things through logically. Let’s say the thought of lust come to fruition. Where will that lead to?.. in the end it only leads to pain, pain and more pain and lets not forget the children!

So guess what’s on my list often when I go to Confession?

Guys, I know it’s hard - it’s a battle out there everytime we leave the home! We are wired with these desires and temptations are all around us. But we need to lay down our lives for our wives like Jesus did for the Church - everytime we step outside we need to be prepared to face the battle and fight it to the very end. That is what I promised my wife the day we exchange our wedding vows.

May every husband also remember that everytime he looks at another woman lustfully he is betraying not only his wife but the kids as well.

God bless you both.
 
I think the OP’s husband needs to grow up.

With that said… I do not feel that this statement is true for all women all of the time. Seeing how many women dress, they are not wearing these form-fitting and figure flattering outfits because they are comfortable.
Women don’t like their men to stare at other women.
 
As a red-blooded American male, I think the OP’s husband needs to grow up.

With that said… I do not think this line is correct for all women all of the time. I am pretty sure that women do not where low-cut or form-fitting outfits because they are comfortable.
  1. Women/girls really don’t want to be stared at.
 
As a red-blooded American male, I think the OP’s husband needs to grow up.

With that said… I do not think this line is correct for all women all of the time. I am pretty sure that women do not where low-cut or form-fitting outfits because they are comfortable.
Yes, some do, I’m sure. But not most. Not even a large percentage.

My daughters are 17 and 20, and they tell me stories of being totally creeped out by older men staring at them. They don’t dress immodestly, although they are beautiful (they take after their mother).

I don’t get it. It’s the staring, of course, but also staring with no intent to disguise the staring. It is definitely noticed, and not welcomed.
 
My daughters are 17 and 20, and they tell me stories of being totally creeped out by older men staring at them.
My daughter is 20 also and goes to the gym everyday. She isn’t the type who is trying to be sexy and attract looks. She has always loved athletics and fitness since she was a kid. But this is the single worst thing she experiences at the gym… older guys (and to a 20 year old 30 and over is older) staring at her. Young girls can literally feel the stares as if they are being undressed with their eyes as the old saying goes. May daughter always wears black modest yoga pants and a floppy long singlet over her sports crop but that doesn’t seem to matter.

She knows the gym so well that she deliberately times her sessions when she knows old guys are least likely to be there which angers me that she is restricted in this way. Her trainer is the opposite. He’s 55, a cop and been into fitness training forever and she’s never felt a single awkward moment around him in all her gym years. That proves that this gawking doesn’t have to be part of a mans character.

I’d love to devise some sort of thing that gave men a chance to really experience the squeamishness and disrespect that a woman feels being subject to this type of gawking.

Anyway, that was my little rant.
 
Your husband is wrong about this.
It can be difficult to change someone. You can always pray over this.
You don’t have to go to the water park or to a beach with him, and perhaps it would be best if you just refuse to go.
 
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