Is it wrong to cross-dress?

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So I must be an abomination. Try wearing a dress or skirt while climbing in and out of locomotives.
No, I don’t believe it is talking about a form of cross dressing for practical reasons (Women wearing a form of women’s pants I believe is not cross dressing), even still, when you wear pants I doubt you go the ‘Mens’ aisle and shop for all your clothes in there do you?

It’s more cross dressing for the ‘kicks’ that I believe the Bible speaks of.

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Josh
 
Let’s be careful not to create sin where there is none.

I believe there is nothing intrinsically wrong with a man wearing clothing typically worn by women, as long as it doesn’t lead him into sin, such as fantasizing about sex, masturbating, looking at porn, or some other sin.

For reasons I won’t go into, I’ve explored this question in depth over the years with seven different priests, all of whom were the most conservative and well-formed priests I could find, including one in the Fraternal Society of St. Peter (FSSP), and another who regularly says the Traditional Latin Mass. They’ve all agreed that it is not inherently sinful. It depends on the reason and the context. Surprisingly (to me, anyway), the more conservative they were, the fewer reservations they had about it, providing it wasn’t leading the person into sexual sin.

So let’s think about it objectively…

Pink is a color worn mostly by women. But normal men wear pink shirts, pink ties, and pink trousers. I have a friend who wears pink tennis shoes. And no one thinks anything weird or sinful is going on. It may be a little unusual, but it’s neither abnormal nor sinful for a man to wear pink outerwear. So why would it be abnormal or sinful to wear pink underwear? “It’s creepy” is not an objective reason.

Men wear silky outerwear, too. So why would it be wrong for him to wear silky underwear? Why does it being underwear change it from being normal and morally OK to weird or sinful?

Lace is worn by men, too. It is worn by judges in court in many countries. It was worn in the (distant) past by stylish and high society men for years. It’s even worn by many priests when they say Mass. Men were also the first to wear tights. So men wearing lace, tights, or pantyhose is neither intrinsically abnormal nor sinful.

Fabric, color, cut and style, and lace are all morally neutral. If it is neither abnormal nor sinful for a man to wear pink, silky, and lacy clothing individually, then I can’t think of any reason why any particular combination of them would be intrinsically wrong for him to wear, either as outerwear or as underwear.

Unusual doesn’t mean abnormal or sinful. And abnormal doesn’t mean sinful, either.

So the act itself of a man wearing women’s clothing is neither intrinsically abnormal nor sinful. Or if it is abnormal, that doesn’t mean it’s so grossly abnormal as to require professional psychological help.

The question then, is “why would a man want to wear clothing that is clearly intended for women?” The answer most people will likely come up with is that “something is wrong with him.” That may or may not be so. But even if there is “something wrong with him,” filling a psychological need isn’t a sin if it’s being filled by something that is not by its own nature sinful and it helps the person lead an otherwise normal life.

Let’s change the example a little to illustrate. Consider a grown man who finds that wearing superman underwear helps him relax or gives him confidence. Most of us would agree that this would indicate some sort of psychological immaturity on his part. But what’s the harm? If it’s a crutch he needs to relax, or feel confident, then why shouldn’t he do it? He may need professional psychological help, too, but what would be sinful about wearing superman underwear? Nothing.

So, if he finds that wearing silky, lacy, pink panties helps him relax or gives him confidence, why would that be any different from the superman underwear? Think objectively here. The fact that you personally may find it “creepy” doesn’t mean it’s sinful. Our faith doesn’t work that way.

My point isn’t that a man wearing women’s clothing is normal. Rather, I’m simply trying to illustrate that 1) the simple act of a man wearing women’s clothing is not always sinful, and that 2) there is a difference between “creepy,” “abnormal,” and “sinful.”

Of course, I suspect that it’s frequently, if not overwhelmingly the case that men who wear women’s clothing do so for some sexual reason. But even then, in the right context, it may not be sinful. For example, it would not be sinful for a man to wear lingerie while making love to his wife if she does not object.

Remember, we’re all psychologically and spiritually broken in many ways. We won’t always understand how others are broken, or even how we ourselves are broken. We all have ways of dealing with the harm done to us by our own sins and the sins of others. A crossdresser typically has suffered some real, deep emotional harm during his early life, and his crossdressing helps him deal with it. We may not be able to understand why or how it helps him, but we can at least understand that it is not necessarily a sin.

I don’t want to give the impression that I think crossdressing is perfectly fine and normal. And considering the serious nature of the question, and the possibility of leading someone into sin, I want to be clear about that.

Another thing to keep in mind is that crossdressing runs in a spectrum from simply wanting to wear women’s underwear without anyone else knowing about it, to full blown in-your-face transvestites in drag in public arenas promoting crossdressing as a sexual lifestyle, and everything in between.

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In any case, a man’s desire to wear women’s clothing, specifically because it is women’s clothing–as opposed to a genuine preference for the fabric or color–reflects a damaged soul, usually due to some event(s) or circumstances from childhood. In some cases that damage is self inflicted, but in other cases, such as in sexual child abuse or neglect, it is not the man’s fault at all.

It is also important to realize that the vast majority of crossdressers are heterosexual. And it is not normally a gateway to homosexuality. Most crossdressers, at least of the more mild varieties, say that it helps them relax, or feel good about themselves, or that it gives them confidence. These are not bad things. Some of them know exactly why it has that effect on them, and others don’t.

And finally, the desire to crossdress is notoriously difficult to cure, even after many years of therapy.

So in the case of a man who has the simple desire to wear women’s panties, without any other motivation than the fact that it makes him happy, and without any sexual temptation involved, is it really a sin? I don’t think so, for all the reasons I posted above. Is it really a sin for a man to wear pink underwear, but not a sin for him to wear a pink shirt? That makes no sense, even if it reflects a damaged psyche. It certainly is not a mortal sin. It is not a sin to seek out and use psychological crutches as long as they are not sinful in themselves or likely to lead one to sin. The color or fabric of one’s underwear, or the lack of an opening in the front, or the silkiness of the fabric, or the presence of lace or bows, cannot reasonably be considered sinful in itself.

On the other hand, a crossdresser who is living “the life” in full drag, and is proud of it… well, I would say that objectively speaking, that is clearly a sinful way of life, even if in someone’s particular case their subjective moral culpability is lessened due to circumstances only God knows.

In between? Well that’s hard to say. Where’s the line where it changes from being a simple, innocent psychological comfort to a sin? I don’t think you can draw such a line. Motivation certainly comes into play, as does the likelihood of it leading to sins such as masturbation, fantasy, pornography, narcissism, etc.

I also don’t want to give the impression that the priests I consulted were perfectly OK with it. They just said that the simple act of a man wearing women’s clothing is not in itself sinful, but that the crossdresser should look very deeply at his motivations and actions.

So to the original poster, I would say that you should find yourself a very traditional priest and be very open with him about this. Don’t just say it’s OK and then do it. Don’t consult many people. You’ll just get lots of different opinions from lots of people who don’t know what they’re talking about. Also, it’s a private matter and should be kept private. You will almost certainly regret talking to many people about this, and it might have the effect of pushing you in that direction. Be very discreet with regard to who you discuss it with.

I’m sorry for such a long post, but like I said, I’ve thought a lot about this issue for reasons I won’t go into, and I wanted to share these thoughts in case they’re helpful to others.
 
Lace is worn by men, too. It is worn by judges in court in many countries. It was worn in the (distant) past by stylish and high society men for years. It’s even worn by many priests when they say Mass. Men were also the first to wear tights. So men wearing lace, tights, or pantyhose is neither intrinsically abnormal nor sinful.
Here’s a portrait of Charles I of England from about 1636 in lace and a pearl earring (some men wore high heels back then, too).

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I think TechMan is spot on. I’ve gotten clothing from the men’s aisle at the thrift store. I love men’s clothing. It’s not for sexual reasons, it’s because I like the way they look. Some men look good in skirts and know they look good in skirts. I think gender is valued far too highly in Western society. People who condemn their little boys for preferring dolls over trucks or wanting to dress as female characters for Halloween are examples of this.This only reinforces completely ridiculous notions of masculinity and femininity that have little to nothing to do with morality and everything to do with a culture that puts an inordinate emphasis on sex. God help us for thinking men in skirts is obscene or kinky…
 
I think TechMan is spot on. I’ve gotten clothing from the men’s aisle at the thrift store. I love men’s clothing. It’s not for sexual reasons, it’s because I like the way they look. Some men look good in skirts and know they look good in skirts. I think gender is valued far too highly in Western society. People who condemn their little boys for preferring dolls over trucks or wanting to dress as female characters for Halloween are examples of this.This only reinforces completely ridiculous notions of masculinity and femininity that have little to nothing to do with morality and everything to do with a culture that puts an inordinate emphasis on sex. God help us for thinking men in skirts is obscene or kinky…
:ehh: ‘Some men look good in skirts’? (Unless you mean a Scottish kilt, which I have worn, but that is not at all a ‘skirt’, a kilt is still men’s clothing as well as women’s, same with the historic Roman attire etc)

No, men should not be wearing the kind of skirts sold in the women’s aisle of a common clothing store, that’s ridiculous, no wonder there are so many gender and sexuality problems, if men and women are so ‘equal’ in this department so as to completely and fluently interchange clothing with no qualms whatsoever, it’s no wonder they are considered equally compatible in the sexual department (hence same sex marriage), which they are clearly not.

Furthermore, the problem with the west is not that gender is too highly valued, it’s exactly the opposite, as if I would look to western society for high values when it comes to gender, it’s the confusion of gender and sexuality which is causing all of this push for the Church to change her teachings on marriage (because she recognizes the uniqueness and complementarity of a man and a woman), which she cannot and will not change.

And parents encouraging or being totally fine with their children wearing women’s Halloween costumes? :ehh: I wouldn’t be too concerned with them playing with their sisters Barbie dolls at an early age, but yes, dressing up as a female character and going out publicly like that for Halloween I absolutely would be concerned.

I think it would be very cruel to help dress ones son up as a princess or something, even if the boy wanted to.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I think TechMan is spot on… I think gender is valued far too highly in Western society. People who condemn their little boys for preferring dolls over trucks or wanting to dress as female characters for Halloween are examples of this.This only reinforces completely ridiculous notions of masculinity and femininity that have little to nothing to do with morality… God help us for thinking men in skirts is obscene or kinky…
Afterman, I think you should read my post more carefully. I was speaking about whether or not men wearing women’s clothing is a sin. I do not think that it’s completely normal, and I do not think it should be encouraged. On the other hand, I do not think it is always a sin.

My main points were 1) that just because something is “abnormal”, that does not make it a sin, and 2) that crossdressing is not always a sin.

As a general statement, I think a man who wants to wear women’s clothing has some sort of a problem, even if the act of crossdressing itself is not sinful in his case. Depending on the motivation, and whether or not it leads to behavior that is a sin (e.g., masturbation, pornography, narcissism, etc.), crossdressing may or may not be a sin. But I think something is off.

I think that crossdressing can, in some cases, especially minor cases, be quite innocent and a genuine psychological help to living an otherwise normal life. So therefore we should not make blanket statements about crossdressers. That’s all I’m sayin’.

But I do not encourage anyone to engage in this behavior, especially publicly.

I also think you are underestimating the significance of the fact that the difference in the sexes is something willed by God. Male and female He created them. He did not do this on a whim. Our sexual identity as male or female has a great deal to say about what God wants from each of us. To pretend the differences are only about biology is at the heart of so many of the problems we are seeing in the world.

That being said, I do agree that there are many things that we tend to think of as masculine or feminine that are not necessarily so. Many real women like football, camping, and hunting. And many real men like art, dance, and musical theatre. But that doesn’t change the general idea that men should be men and women should be women. All it means is that in any particular case, a man being a man, or a woman being a woman, may look a little different from what we tend to think of.
 
This is what i heard on this. If it is for comfort it is fine

if it is for some thing like GID i think its ok as long as you are in privacy on your home (could be wrong on that)
 
No, I don’t believe it is talking about a form of cross dressing for practical reasons (Women wearing a form of women’s pants I believe is not cross dressing), even still, when you wear pants I doubt you go the ‘Mens’ aisle and shop for all your clothes in there do you?

It’s more cross dressing for the ‘kicks’ that I believe the Bible speaks of.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
now what if its for both comfort and “kicks”?
 
now what if its for both comfort and “kicks”?
I think the ‘kicks’ part would make it wrong and I think there would also be a reasonable limit on the ‘comfortable’ side of things too, as I would not think it right for men to be wearing skirts and things in public under the guise of comfort, if someone did, I wouldn’t reproach them or anything, but I certainly would counsel against it. I think common sense would be a good gauge in this area.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I think the ‘kicks’ part would make it wrong and I think there would also be a reasonable limit on the ‘comfortable’ side of things too, as I would not think it right for men to be wearing skirts and things in public under the guise of comfort, if someone did, I wouldn’t reproach them or anything, but I certainly would counsel against it. I think common sense would be a good gauge in this area.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
Now what if it’s in the privacy of some ones home?
 
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