Is it wrong to live a comfortable life amidst so much poverty

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I have been studying global and public health for some time now. I have traveled to several different countries working with global health and international partnerships. My siblings are all now getting married and settling down now and I’m confused with what to do. If the world were perfectly fine I’d buy a piece of property close to my siblings and parents and raise a family the best I could and that would be perfect for me. But it seems condemnable to lead such a life when you know you could have an impact developing countries and putting roofs over peoples houses and books in schools. The problem is this, to work internationally and really make a difference it requires an incredible time out of the country which would distance me from my family. So what’s a guy to do?
 
It is not wrong to live comfortably, just as it is not wrong to have marital relations. So long as you live in such a way that it benefits others - for example, if you’re rich and give alms - than it is okay. There are many ways to help the poor too: charities, almsgiving, prayer, projects, and writings.
 
Hmm… interesting question. it definitely sounds as if your heart is in the right place.

This is just my opinion:
If by comfortable*you mean having a family, home, food on the table and the leisure to spend time with your children and wife - then I would say no it is not wrong. If you decide to give up all this in order to lead a life of service, then this is not wrong either. Both are necessary.
Our world is full of so many broken families, children that are raised without knowing God. These are the same children who will go out into the world and make a difference themselves. The family is a small thing, but an incredibly precocious thing. The family is Agape training camp.

With that said, giving your life to service is also an incredibly admirable thing. Look at priest, they do a very similar thing. They sacrifice a family for service. A priest would not say, I became a priest because I thought being celibate and commiting myself to service was morally superior to starting a family. It is just different.

Whichever you choose, try to remember to commit your heart to Christ first above all things. When people turn their hearts towards social action they can sometimes take on the attitude of Judas when he thought, “that perfume could have been solve to help the poor.”

I am reminded of the words of Henry Livingston when he thought about becoming a missionary to africa. He said a very simple prayer, “send me anywhere, only go with me.”
 
If the world were perfectly fine I’d buy a piece of property close to my siblings and parents and raise a family the best I could and that would be perfect for me. But it seems condemnable to lead such a life when you know you could have an impact developing countries and putting roofs over peoples houses and books in schools. The problem is this, to work internationally and really make a difference it requires an incredible time.
Each of us needs to take up the cross that God gives us. Mother Teresa didn’t blink when called to serve the poorest of the poor. The think you might want to do is speak to your spiritual counselor and pray about this to discern what God’s plan is for you.
 
I have been studying global and public health for some time now. I have traveled to several different countries working with global health and international partnerships. My siblings are all now getting married and settling down now and I’m confused with what to do. If the world were perfectly fine I’d buy a piece of property close to my siblings and parents and raise a family the best I could and that would be perfect for me. But it seems condemnable to lead such a life when you know you could have an impact developing countries and putting roofs over peoples houses and books in schools. The problem is this, to work internationally and really make a difference it requires an incredible time out of the country which would distance me from my family. So what’s a guy to do?
It is not money that is the root of all evil but the love of money. There is nothing inherently wrong in living comfortably if you are not making an idol out of that comfortable lifestyle.

It might be that God is calling you to live and work among people who have less.
 
I have been studying global and public health for some time now. I have traveled to several different countries working with global health and international partnerships. My siblings are all now getting married and settling down now and I’m confused with what to do. If the world were perfectly fine I’d buy a piece of property close to my siblings and parents and raise a family the best I could and that would be perfect for me. But it seems condemnable to lead such a life when you know you could have an impact developing countries and putting roofs over peoples houses and books in schools. The problem is this, to work internationally and really make a difference it requires an incredible time out of the country which would distance me from my family. So what’s a guy to do?
The world has never been perfect and never will be perfect. I’ve heard women say, for generations, that they’d never have kids because they didn’t want to bring them into this world with war, suffering, disease, violence etc. I could never imagine my life without kids.

You don’t have to go to a foreign country to make a difference. Grow where you’re planted. Many, many people in your town and county need help, Kids need mentoring, boys need skills they’re not getting in schools nor from their single mom households, people need help buying meds while they wait for SSD, etc.
 
So what’s a guy to do?
You have to ask God.
But, no it is not condemnable to raise a family in a house. Isn’t that what you
would hope to help others do in those poverty-stricken places? Why would you
not want for your siblings what you are working for for others? It does sound like
an exciting opportunity for you to feel close to God by helping “the least of His
brothers”. Can you change your mind if you don’t like it, or won’t you be able to
afford to come back home?
 
I haven’t read the other posts entirely, but I recommend you meditate on living a detached life, as befits the Christian calling.

Do your possessions control you? (like, do you have to see every new movie that comes out? do you have to have every CD from a favorite artist? etc.)

Each of us knows not the day or the time that Christ will call us from this life, to give an accounting. How will we each live the next 24 hours, knowing that? Knowing that even the time belongs to God?

This is so personal a matter, to be sure, but I suggest you work it out, while you keep your focus on Jesus Christ.
 
The gospel rule is sharing to a rough equality. I started another thread about this topic with biblical and church references, called “the biblical use of money”
I would suggest reading “happy are you poor” by Fr. Thomas Dubay.
 
We are called to a spirit of poverty. This means that we are called to place our trust in God. It does not necessarily mean that we are called to give up a comfortable life. Does a shepherd not provide for the welfare of his sheep? The story of the rich man, which is often interpreted literally, is the story of a young man possessed by his riches. When a person is poor, the concerns of providing for the days needs, questions of how to get out of debt, and where the next job will be, can be overwhelming and actually harmful to a spiritual life.
As for your own personal situation, as others have stated, pray for discernment. What is right for you is not necessarily what is right for another person. St. Francis gave up his riches and embraced poverty in order to follow Christ. St. Ignatius, on the other hand, was obedient when he bought better clothing and accepted a university education.
We are called to share our gifts, our talents, whatever they may be and wherever God may send us.
I grew up in a military family. This meant living overseas. With the economy being what it is, I am now teaching overseas. I maintain contact with my family through the internet, a technology not available when I was a child.
Bottom line. Accept the gifts you have been given by God, whether material, intellectual, or manual. Use those gifts and talents to live the life to which you are called and wherever you feel called to service.
 
No, but it would be wrong to live a comfortable life and callosly say “well if those poor people would just put their backbones into it they’d be better off”. Basically it’s wrong to live a comfortable life with no perspective on what poverty is, why people are in it, and the realities of a persons literal inability to life them selves out.

I was born in Lima, Peru, but moved to a nice suburb of detroit when I was very young. Although I’ve always lived a comfortable life, I grew up visiting family and seeing the poverty there. It has had a profound affect on my outlook on this issue, and life in general. You can never forget the poor, always help them, even that hobo on the street corner you’re sure is going to use the money you give them to buy booze (if that’s all you can do to help out). Give them the money, whether or not he uses that money to feed bad habbit is between him and God.

Always do as much as you can to help out the poor. My parish has a sister parish in honduras that we built, I try to give as much as I can to causes for the sister parish. One day I hope to join a mission trip there, to do more direct work.
 
Jesus said to those that asked Him: how does one inherit eternal life?

Trade what you have and take care of your needy and your neighbors (compiled and paraphrased).

I have believed, but do not know, that trade or barter is a better translation than sell.

Furthermore, I believe that trade is to trade our love of the world for love of God or God’s love.

Once we trade our love of the world for God’s love and love of God, God will produce love in us and we will be able to feed the world with God’s love–both spiritual and bodily works of love.

It sounds like you have already traded.

I am married and have five children. We could easily have more. I need to love my wife and children with God’s love.

I am called to be married in the middle of the USA.

I need to provide a Catholic education for my children-- $1,100.00 a month.

I need to trade my worldly love and ambition for God’s love. We have done that.

Love God, wicked, enemy, needy, neighbor, and self (GWENNS). We even find a few dollars to send to a personal friend who is a missionary in Mexico. One hundred dollars in the poor areas of Mexico goes a little farther than in the midwest.

Also, Jesus says His food is to do the will of His Father. Charity is a spiritual reality. Charity is a spiritual food.

One must feed the wicked, enemy, needy, neighor and self. My family is my closest neighbor. I am the closest sinner or wicked person I know. I must feed on God’s will, too.

I run into sinners all of the time. They need charity/food, too.

The spiritual works of love are absolutely more important than the bodily works of love.

If one is called to feed the poor in developing countries–go for it.

If one is called to do spiritual works of love in one’s own city–go for it.

Regardless, God will produce (fruits of the Holy Spirit) love, joy, peace, patient endurance, kindness, goodness, generosity, and chastity where ever you live.

He is producing kindness and compassion in you right now.

If you feel called to feed both the soul and body–what a calling!

Well, I would think that no intelligent person is still reading.

God bless…
 
I have been studying global and public health for some time now. I have traveled to several different countries working with global health and international partnerships. My siblings are all now getting married and settling down now and I’m confused with what to do. If the world were perfectly fine I’d buy a piece of property close to my siblings and parents and raise a family the best I could and that would be perfect for me. But it seems condemnable to lead such a life when you know you could have an impact developing countries and putting roofs over peoples houses and books in schools. The problem is this, to work internationally and really make a difference it requires an incredible time out of the country which would distance me from my family. So what’s a guy to do?
if you are not married go do it if you are married take care of your wife.
 
I So what’s a guy to do?
+a guy or a gal is to discern their true vocation through prayer and with the guidance of a spiritual director and the classic means the Church suggests to discern vocation. One who discerns a vocation to work directly with the poor, whether as a lay or religious missionary, or through any other agency, does so, and sacrifices whatever is necessary to do so. It is possible for a someone who is married with a family do such work under some circumstances, with some agencies.

One who is called to religious life or priesthood follows that vocation, and does whatever work is assigned by his superiors.

One who is called to marriage does his or her duty as a spouse and parent, including providing for the needs of his family. There is nothing in that vocation that excludes working for the poor directly, through donating time or money, or indirectly through supporting agencies inside and outside the Church dedicated to this work. In fact it is one of the duties of a Catholic parent to teach his children to do so.

There is no inherent conflict in your situation. You can make a personal choice to live more simply and to gain paid or volunteer employment that engages you in the work close to your heart. That may or may not allow you to also take on a family, but the possibility is there. Start with square 1, discerning your vocation, before moving to squares 2, 3 . … 25. There is also no inherent moral conflict when a person who has a duty to his family takes care of their needs.

Many people on the vocations forum are discussing their own struggles with convictions like yours, so you might find more support there.

Jesus did not call everyone he encountered to leave everything and become an apostle, but only selected individuals. He issued this challenge to the rich young man, who rejected him, but not to every rich person he met. He did however challenge all those with means to use them to the greater honor and glory of God and not as means to personal wealth and power, and most of all, not as means to oppress the poor. He said quite plainly that our attitude must be one of purity of heart and spiritual poverty, and demonstrated by many parables how one takes care of temporal responsibilities while maintaining that attitude.
 
The problem is this, to work internationally and really make a difference it requires an incredible time out of the country which would distance me from my family. So what’s a guy to do?
First, I’ll say you are in a GOOD PLACE. You are in a position where you can make a good decision with what to do with your life. Most of us find ourselves in situations where circumstances are so compelling that our choices are virtually made for us – which is not to say we do not have a lot of freedom within that decision. But Holy Scripture says a man’s wealth is his strong city. Wealth, correctly used, can be a very great blessing. Therefore, don’t look upon your situation and feel guilty about it. Some saints detached themselves totally from their wealth and found great freedom in doing so. But others used their wealth to do great good. I remember reading of the example of the owner of Domino’s Pizza - a Catholic man, who gave millions to help fund the opening of a new Catholic University. But, like I said - you are in a envious position because you can decide which direction to go. I would take the recommendation of many others who recommended to get some outside spiritual guidance. You are in a great position to use your life and make a difference that may be to the benefit of many many souls. THAT’S FANTASTIC. God bless you.

MonFrere
 
The problem is this, to work internationally and really make a difference it requires an incredible time out of the country which would distance me from my family.
No, to give most abundantly, you must have the abundance from which to give. Should we be enjoying

Crush orange when people around the world are going thirsty?
 
No, to give most abundantly, you must have the abundance from which to give. Should we be enjoying

Crush orange when people around the world are going thirsty?
You did not finish your post. Nevertheless, I can see where you are going. I agree.
One day, years ago, I passed a shoe store where they had a pair of pink and purple tennis shoes on special. I normally only buy “sensible shoes” and these were on sale for the same price that I would spend for a nice blouse. When I got home, I opened my Bible. The scripture passage that popped out was from the Book of Sirach.
“There is nobody more miserly than the person who is miserly with himself. Be generous to yourself.” Naturally I went back to the store and bought the tennis shoes, which led to the biggest laugh I had had in a long time.
Jesus came that we might have life. Enjoy that Orange Crush. Indulge in a good lasagne.
Even in his poverty, St. Francis enjoyed life. It was while on retreat at the Tau center that I learned of a Franciscan tradition. Harvested apples are brought to the table where everybody is given a small knife to share in the cutting, peeling, and paring. The apples are then used for pie making or another community dessert. Of course, nothing stopped those at table from enjoying a few of the apples they have cut up.
Use the talents that God has given you. At the same time, do not forget that you are a child of God, loved by your Creator who would provide you with good things. Give freely from that which you have received.
 
I have been studying global and public health for some time now. I have traveled to several different countries working with global health and international partnerships. My siblings are all now getting married and settling down now and I’m confused with what to do. If the world were perfectly fine I’d buy a piece of property close to my siblings and parents and raise a family the best I could and that would be perfect for me. But it seems condemnable to lead such a life when you know you could have an impact developing countries and putting roofs over peoples houses and books in schools. The problem is this, to work internationally and really make a difference it requires an incredible time out of the country which would distance me from my family. So what’s a guy to do?
I don’t think anyone here can really advise you on a course of action. I would say that you should look inside yourself, pray for guidance, and consider what the Holy Spirit may be trying to tell you. If you have a desire and a talent for making this kind of difference in the world, that may be your calling. You may also be able to put into action locally what you have seen and learned globally; there are many people and areas in our own country, (some could be surprisingly close to you) where you could have a positive impact in the areas of health and education.

Another possibility is that you might find a “soul mate” who shares your ideals and goals. It has happened to many others.
 
After reading these passages, along with the catechism # 2401-2407, is it wrong to say that any use of money that is not directed toward achieving a relative, fair equallity with others is sinful?

Prv 23:4 -“Toil not to gain wealth, cease to be concerned about it”

Mt 19:23-24 + 29 “Then Jesus said to his disciples, `Truly I tell you, it will be hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold, and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.

Lk 3:10-11 “And the crowds asked him, What then should we do?' 11 In reply he said to them, Whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none; and whoever has food must do likewise.’”

Lk 6:20-26 “20 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. 21 Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. … 22 Blessed are you when people hate you, and when they exclude you, revile you, and defame you on account of the Son of Man. ...24 But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. 25 Woe to you who are full now, for you will be hungry. ...26 Woe to you when all speak well of you, for that is what their ancestors did to the false prophets.”

Lk 12:32-34 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions, and give alms. Make purses for yourselves that do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”

Lk 14:33 “So therefore, none of you can become my disciple if you do not give up all your possessions.”

Lk 19:8-9 "Zacchaeus stood there and said to the Lord, Look, half of my possessions, Lord, I will give to the poor; and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will pay back four times as much.' 9 Then Jesus said to him, Today salvation has come to this house, "

2 Cor 8:14 “but that as a matter of equality your abundance at the present time should supply their want, so that their abundance may supply your want, that there may be equality.”

1 Tm 6:7-10 “for we brought nothing into the world, so that we can take nothing out of it; 8 but if we have food and clothing, we will be content with these. 9 But those who want to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, and in their eagerness to be rich some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pains”

Jas 5:1-6 “Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. 2 Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure for the last days. 4 Listen! The wages of the labourers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. 5 You have lived on the earth in luxury and in pleasure; you have fattened your hearts on a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and murdered the righteous one, who does not resist you”

1 Jn 3:17 “How does God’s love abide in anyone who has the world’s goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help?”

Rev 3:16+17 “So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 For you say, “I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing.” You do not realize that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.”
 
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