It is NEVER PP or nothing. Never. There are dozens of other clinics and health care facilities that will help her. PP likes to tell their clients that no one else does what they do, and in a way, they are right. Since PP is the largest abortion provider in the world, they are in a category by themselves.
That depends on where you live, how broke you are, and how long you can wait. Towards the end of college I started having pretty serious womanly issues, and my campus health center still charged me a small fee that I couldn’t afford. I called tons of charitable non profits. All of them had weeks long waitlists and many still charged. PP was the only place that could get me in right away and that I could afford. And when you’re 22 and in the physical pain that I was in, and told that you NEED to be monitored for infection or worse, cancer, you go where you can.It is NEVER PP or nothing. Never. There are dozens of other clinics and health care facilities that will help her. PP likes to tell their clients that no one else does what they do, and in a way, they are right. Since PP is the largest abortion provider in the world, they are in a category by themselves.
You also have no objection to Planned Parenthood, since you are pro-“choice” and an atheist. I would go to an emergency room and pay every nickel myself rather than go to PP for anything. But that’s my moral, ethical, and religious decision.
If that’s a debate that you want to have take it to my inbox. Needless to say you’re misinformed. Margaret Sanger did believe whites to be superior, and did believe in eugenics, but not to rid the world of blacks. She did a lot of work in black communities, set up clinics that were run by black people, and she was very against abortion. She was actually pro birth control to prevent abortion.
If people would use PP for non-abortive services, then it wouldn’t be financially beneficial for them to offer them. If more people would utilize PP for their other services, they wouldn’t be utilized for their abortive services. Rewarding for good behavior makes more of an impact than fighting with them over bad behavior. Making PP out to be the bad guy is making them more popular with the secular crowd. I’d go ahead and use them for non-abortive services. There’s nothing wrong with utilizing them for non-abortive services. The immorality of using PP is for their abortive services.
Also, if they give you a discount (or free services) the do lose money.
Using the emergency room like a clinic not only drives up the cost of healthcare, but interferes with triaging more seriously ill people who come to the ER. When my friends triage in the ER, they make people who use the ER like a clinic wait hours to be seen.
No, that is your financial decision. Not everyone is a martyr. Not everyone wants to declare themselves bankrupt to prove a point.
And cornflakes were invented by accident and were intended to use to stuff the mattress of monks to ensure they weren’t masterbating. Does that influence their present ideas? No. This accusation is contraversial and there are threads for that.
Since I joined CAF, this is probably the first time I’ve seen anyone other than an atheist denounce racism. So Juliane, you have got that going for you, at least.
Absolutely. Emergency rooms are for emergencies, as the name implies.
Her views on eugenics had EVERYTHING to do with skin color. You can debate that all you want but the truth is the truth. Even Jesse Jackson understood that birth control and legalized abortion were targeted at black Americans, and he stated that in print, before he ran for President.
If you truly care about the history of the American Birth Control League aka Planned Parenthood (planned by whom? allowed or prevented by whom?) then watch this movie. It will give you all the information you need about what Planned Parenthood STILL has as its mission. They proudly still give an award yearly - the Margaret Sanger award - so it’s not as though there has been a major change in their cause from founding until now.Since I joined CAF, this is probably the first time I’ve seen anyone other than an atheist denounce racism. So Juliane, you have got that going for you, at least.
It is silly to walk in to an emergency room and say that you need to be monitored for infections and cancer and ask for a pap. They would tell you that that’s not an ER issue and just refer you back to PP.
Almost everything in that has been debunked. And back to what L&L said about the cornflakes, it really has no bearing now.
Really? Who debunked it? Sanger’s quotes are there for history. Her mission is still being carried out. Why are PP’s clinics so conveniently located in minority neighborhoods? Is it coincidence? Or is it in order to “help” black Americans? With that kind of help, they might eventually be extinct, as Sanger wanted.
Excuse me, did you not say you were in PHYSICAL PAIN? That is what I brought the ER into the discussion for. Not the OP’s situation. I stated that I would go to the ER for what YOU called SERIOUS WOMANLY PROBLEMS with PHYSICAL PAIN. Got it?
:banghead: Please just do some research. You are grossly misinformed.
I also said that I was told to be monitored by a campus physician. If my problems required ER, he would have sent me.