Is Jeffrey Dahmer in Heaven?

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Finally, LutherDK, I don’t know where you get your facts, maybe you could provide your source, because the Filioque was definitively “put-in” or “inserted” into the Creed by the Roman Catholic Church and yes, this was one of the factors, which caused the early Schism. If the Roman Catholic
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Church did not insert the Filioque, then how do explain it appearance in the Nicene Creed. Who do you think was responsible for the Nicene Creed?

The Filioque is recited, as part of the Creed, at every Roman Catholic Mass today; ("…“the Holy Spirit which proceeds for the Father and the Son”)

Thanks

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Finally, LutherDK, I don’t know where you get your facts, maybe you could provide your source, because the Filioque was definitively “put-in” or “inserted” into the Creed by the Roman Catholic Church and yes, this was one of the factors, which caused the early Schism. If the Roman Catholic
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Church did not insert the Filioque, then how do explain it appearance in the Nicene Creed. Who do you think was responsible for the Nicene Creed?

The Filioque is recited, as part of the Creed, at every Roman Catholic Mass today; ("…“the Holy Spirit which proceeds for the Father and the Son”)

Thanks
 
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Is Jeffrey Dahmer in Heaven?
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Here is an article that claims that Jeffrey Dahmer, the admitted homosexual, who abducted, raped, tortured, murdered and cannibalized many young innocent victims, became a “born-again” Christian while in prison…

Does this mean that “born again” and other Protestant Christians believe that Jeffrey Dahmer is in heaven?

Are his victims in heaven with him?

Is it possible that some of his victims are not in heaven and he is?

Do you agree with this Martin Luther quote? -

“No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”
“Let Your Sins Be Strong: A Letter from Luther to Melanchthon”.– c.1521)

I believe that we are judged by our “works”, good and bad. I also believe that a virtuous life does have merit. I do not believe that there exists an automatic “Get out of Hell” card.

I believe in God’s infinite mercy and I believe that anything is possible in God; however, I also believe that bad people go to Hell. Jeffrey Dahmer is a bad person so doesn’t that mean that he is in Hell?

Additionally, I have read that Jeffrey Dahmer was involved in the Occult, or satanic worship, wouldn’t this behavior, fall under, “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit”, the un-forgivable sin?

I do not believe that Jeffery Dahmer is in heaven, what do you think?
 
Apostles’ Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
Creator of Heaven and Earth
And in Jesus Christ
His only Son, Our Lord
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit
Born of the Virgin Mary
Suffered under Pontius Pilate
Was crucified, died and was buried.
On the third day, he rose again
He ascended into Heaven
and is seated at the right hand
of God, the Father Almighty.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the Communion of Saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.
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Nicene Creed****

We believe in God, the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son
he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
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Amen.
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Is he in heaven? I don’t know. He could be…murder isn’t unforgivable by God…if the person is truly repentant. I can’t judge Dahmer. I imagine God takes into consideration so much that we don’t know… mental illness…an individual’s true intentions…etc.
 
**It isn’t our call. That is up to the mercy of God, not anything we might ‘think’. **
 
Why limit this thread just to Dahmer? Why not the other phychotic murderers like Hitler, Saddam, Stahlin, Manson, etc…are they all in heaven too?🤷
 
peary said:
**It isn’t our call. That is up to the mercy of God, not anything we might ‘think’. **
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Hello peary,

I agree with your post and the one that preceded it… but what does, being “truly repentant” actually mean?

Moreover, is there an element of “false hope” associated with some, non-Catholic Christian beliefs, like, “Born-again” or “Once Save Always Saved” (OSAS)?

Isn’t there some danger associated with some of these, non-Catholic views of God’s mercy and how forgiveness or Salvation is actually obtained?

Finally, what about the whole issue of “loop-holes”, where someone might assume that it is ok to do as they please; “just, make sure to ask for forgiveness at the end”, where then, is the incentive to behave?

Isn’t there a danger in believing, that one can do as they please and commit any sin that they wish to commit, as long as they repent before they die?

Couldn’t this be a cause for some abuse?

As for Catholics here, it seems to me that some Catholics here, hold a Protestant, “born-again” view of Salvation (not you specifically) and not the Catholic view, as described in the Catechism and as described by many Popes, Saints and Doctors of the Church.

Am I wrong?

Peace 🙂
 
Jimmy;

Nobody ever increased in faith out of fear that they might go to Hell. (There is nobody out there who seriously thinks they’re going to Hell, anyway.) An increase in faith is always accompanied by love and forgiveness.

So, the idea that someone (how ever bad they may be) might have been forgiven, is never going to incite someone to have less faith. Ever. In fact, quite the opposite - someone who thought that he was beyond the reach of forgiveness might look at a case like that and say to himself, “Hey - if that guy might have been forgiven, then maybe I can be forgiven, too.”

Yes, it sets the bar a bit lower - maybe even low enough to reach a few people. 😉

I don’t know what we hope to accomplish by setting the bar higher than God sets it. 🤷
 
jmcrae said:
Jimmy;

Nobody ever increased in faith out of fear that they might go to Hell. (There is nobody out there who seriously thinks they’re going to Hell, anyway.) An increase in faith is always accompanied by love and forgiveness.

So, the idea that someone (how ever bad they may be) might have been forgiven, is never going to incite someone to have less faith. Ever. In fact, quite the opposite - someone who thought that he was beyond the reach of forgiveness might look at a case like that and say to himself, “Hey - if that guy might have been forgiven, then maybe I can be forgiven, too.”

Yes, it sets the bar a bit lower - maybe even low enough to reach a few people. 😉

I don’t know what we hope to accomplish by setting the bar higher than God sets it. 🤷
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Hello** jmcrae**,

I don’t quite know what you point is here, are you asserting that the Catholic Church’s “bar” is higher than God’s “bar”?

I don’t think that Catholics are doing anybody any favorites, by telling non-Catholics, that our standards are not as high as they actually are…

Guilt driven remorse, is definitely an element of Catholicism and so is the, “fear of going to Hell”.

Most people have heard of the term “Catholic Guilt” but that doesn’t mean that the “loving God” element isn’t there, because we Catholics know that it is.

Wouldn’t you agree ?

Peace. 🙂
 
I had trouble answering because three answers all are correct: “It is possible,” “It is unlikely,” and “I have no idea.”

The clearest answer is “It is possible” so I voted for that. It is at least theoretically possible for any human being to be in heaven – we cannot say conclusively who isn’t in heaven, although we sometimes can tell who is. And for those who don’t know, the Catholic Church sometimes makes affirmative statements that a particular person is in heaven (by canonizing him or her as a saint) but the Catholic Church never identifies any specific person as being in hell.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Hello peary,

As for Catholics here, it seems to me that some Catholics here, hold a Protestant, “born-again” view of Salvation (not you specifically) and not the Catholic view, as described in the Catechism and as described by many Popes, Saints and Doctors of the Church.
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Am I wrong?

Peace 🙂

No, you are absolutely right. Yet, what of those who have invincible ignorance about what the Church actually teaches and have a relationship with Christ outside of the confines of the Church? That is a reality. I think God will judge the Catholic Christian much harder than one who doesn’t really know. As Christ said, "It is mercy I want, not judgment."
 
NAB Matthew 9:13 Go and learn the meaning of the words, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ I did not come to call the righteous but sinners."
 
My brother was in Prison with Dahmer.My brother said Dahmer took the pages of the bible rolled it up and smoked from them. He wasn’t ‘born again’ he just used that to get out of the cell for an hour for church service.

I don’t know much about his salvation but he did make cigerettes from the bible.

My brother on the other hand recieved a brain injury and is so awesome now his story should be in a book
 
PattyPryor said:
…Dahmer took the pages of the bible rolled it up and smoked from them. He wasn’t ‘born again’ he just used that to get out of the cell for an hour for church service.

I don’t know much about his salvation but he did make cigerettes from the bible.
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Now, why doesn’t this surprise me?
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My brother on the other hand recieved a brain injury and is so awesome now his story should be in a book
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May God bless, protect and watch over you and your brother.

Peace 🙂
 
Jimmy_B said:
Hello** jmcrae**,

I don’t quite know what you point is here, are you asserting that the Catholic Church’s “bar” is higher than God’s “bar”?
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No, certainly not. The Catholic Church provides us with the Confessional, which puts the “bar” right down on the floor where absolutely anyone can cross over it, even while on his or her knees. 😉
Guilt driven remorse, is definitely an element of Catholicism and so is the, “fear of going to Hell”.
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Not really, no. They might be part of some people’s experiences of the Church, through uncatechized adults and through adults who perhaps just have a mean streak in them, but it is not the official policy of the Church to try to frighten people into Heaven.

Hell is a real place, of course, and guilt is a gift that tells us something is wrong - we need to have a proper respect for their places in the broader scheme of things, but we don’t go to Heaven for fear of Hell - we go to Heaven out of love for God, and “perfect love casts out fear.” 🙂
 
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