Is Jerusalem an icon for anti-religion?

[OneSheep]

But, our Catholic Bible states what I previously wrote. God says Hes w Israel. He says Jerusalem is His Holy City. I’m not making it up. That’s Gods story and I’m sticking w it.

I think you are admitting, then, that you are not stating the Catholic position but your own position, as you read from scripture.

The link that I provided explains a position much different than yours; your position is more of the protestant segment that is promoted in settlement-supported Christian preaching. Did you know the Church’s position and find it incorrect because you thought the Church was ignoring scripture? Or instead, were you influenced by those other sources, developed your trust of those other individuals and groups before you even knew the Catholic position?

Given that the Catholic Church’s position on Jerusalem and the Holy Land in general also keeps scripture in mind, you are then stating that your own interpretation of scripture, and the subsequent ethical and the moral positions are more valid than that of our Church leadership, correct?

Yes, there are Palestinian people who do awful things to Israelis, and there are Israelis who do awful things to Palestinians. These people on both sides are the minority, and no “punishment” of either population as a whole is ever justified. The Church’s position keeps all these things in mind.

In the mean time, Jerusalem remains an icon for anti-religion as long as any religion claims that God says that any group can steal land and resources from another, that God says one group “deserves” the land for the reason of God’s favor, etc. Jerusalem remains an icon for anti-religion when groups clinging to religion claim that there is no means of compromise, that the only justice is justice for people of their own religion, that their religious precepts trump ordinary laws of ownership, etc.

We can pray together for all of them, yes, Alice! God will indeed make peace happen in time, but God’s way is through mercy, not war, and not through theft and persecution of people.

God’s way is through forgiveness. Do you understand and forgive the people who have done awful things (on both sides) in Jerusalem and the Holy Land? When we forgive with our hearts, that creates peace.

Do you see how forgiveness from the heart makes “Peace begin with me.”?

 

[tweedlealice]

Hi., I had more written over what is above. I have it to paste but, what would be the point. I realize short comings in my church. I’m able to go to mass and commune w my God. Even knowing some sins of the priest. He is God’s servant. God’s Spirit is one w him while reading scripture and saying mass.
I never searched for church sins. They’re in History and the news. Some presented themselves to me.
I miss my innocence. At 70, how can one be innocent…
Happy New Year
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice

 

[OneSheep]

Good Morning Alice,

I realize short comings in my church.

I’m sorry Alice, but your own assessment of the “shortcomings” is very misinformed. I don’t know the source of the propaganda, heresay, and unsubstantiated accusations you make, but they are totally inaccurate.

Please, find the humility to reflect on the possibility that you are not God’s source of revelation in the world, and neither are your sources that negate the active role of the Holy Spirit in our Church in modern times.

Again, you provide a prime example of why Jerusalem is an icon for anti-religion, Alice!

I’m not blaming you, Alice. I am sure that you truly believe what you are saying. The ideology you are stating is not moral when seeing that all of humanity is beloved and has dignity. Because you have probably developed a different circle of trust, you likely cannot see the errors.

 

[tweedlealice]

Hi,
I cannot see how you think, an opinion from a Group of religious men, which can sound wise, but doesn’t line up w scripture, is the course to take.
Do you not feel God, told Abraham to go to Promises land? That is stealing that land…
They battled villages and towns as they moved. My Catholic Bible says that. Is it a fairy tale? Maybe Abraham was schizophrenic and had auditory Delusions…
The choices you offer for peace are nice but Israel will not move. UN gave them borders. Fighting to save their ppl, got them a few more miles. Both sides should ask for a few more miles of desert. No one lives in the desert.
I’m not sure, of which “shortcomings of my church, you find are misinformed. It’s on the History channel. There are books written on what the church did during WWII. The Vatican was on shaky ground. They had to work w Hitler. They still helped some Jews.
They did help Nazis go to S.America.
You have had to see where Pope John Paul II apologized for the Vatican not doing more. He was on the News. He travelled to the Mid-East. He met w all denominations concerning reconciliation.
Were you here on earth??
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice

 

[OneSheep]

Do you not feel God, told Abraham to go to Promises land? That is stealing that land…

Of course it was stealing the land, Alice! But that tribe did what they had to do for the sake of the survival of their tribe, and like I said before, it is unwise to second guess the leadership of a tribe who says that God commanded them to take for their very survival.

This is not the case today, Alice. Theft is wrong, and you can check the 10 commandments for that.

As far as Jerusalem being a “Holy City”, is a “Holy City” a place where property can be taken from people? Where people of different religions spit on each other? Is that Holy?

I agree with making Jerusalem a “Holy City”, and it can exist as a spiritual center for the 3 Abrahamic traditions. However, in order for it to be “Holy”, there is a lot of forgiveness and reconciliation to take place. Mercy, not power, should be the guide in Holiness. Can you agree with that?

 

[tweedlealice]

Salutations in Our Lord, Jesus Christ,
OKAY! We will agree to disagree. The Bible has many functions. It’s a map that will lead us to heaven. It is a History book that isn’t exactly accurate w timelines. It communicates w us through the Holy Spirit. It has some Patriarchal, tribal rules threaded through the OT. i.e. Deuteronomy rules w Sharia law beginnings. Like my kids would have been stoned to death in teen age. The part, if raped in a city or country, don’t cry or cry, if ppl are around to hear you. One needs 2 witnesses!! The Bible is living water. One chapter or verse gives a message for that time but can be applied to a person going through a trial today.
My profile states I am Charismatic. There are Cursio movements that brings Jesus in as a Personal friend. Baptist mentality. The Charismatic groups bring our Confirmation alive w active gifts of the Holy Spirit. (Pentecostal mentality) It’s our faith,as Catholics, being enriched like a cake. The basic cake is Catholicism. The icing is the Cursio enrichment and our Charismatic groups are a beautiful topper on cake.
Now, back in the day and today, we have those that embrace these groups and those against the groups. The church, probably, will be happy if they fall apart. It will be up to God and our responsiveness, to see what happens.
As well read, as I am, in scripture and various Saintly writers, there are those more read, than I…
I’ll continue later.
Basically, I’ll stick w scripture as it is written. It, also, prophetically speaks for us and Israel.
In Christ’s love,
Tweedlealice
Praying for Israel, Palestine and World. Peace Lord, Peace.
My peace, I leave you. My peace, I give you.
By the way, we all know Ten Commandments. They were given to Moses. They were after Abraham.
But, in Abraham’s time, if you took another’s belongings, you’d lose a hand. As they stole the Promise Land, they were under the Ten Commandments.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

Jerusalem’s present status demonstrates Islam’s religious superiority to some. The military rules of engagement include not harming holy places and some government agencies, officials, and traitors to their own faith battle against keeping what is in holy spaces sacred. That sort of dedication is important to the universe to correct the imbalances found abroad. Especially fundamental battles for righteousness and not straying from issues that matter to political nonsense. Divorce, freedom from captivity, and so forth.

 

[OneSheep]

The church, probably, will be happy if they fall apart.

Yes, Church leadership would probably not shed a tear if the particular “charismatic” movement denied that the Holy Spirit gives teaching authority to Bishops and Popes. That Charismatic group would, with the opinions you have been expressing, be more centered on the political ideology of Israeli settlements than the values of mercy, justice, and human dignity for all.

I hope you are aware, Alice, that you are speaking the narrative of far-right Israeli settler interests. I have provided all the Catholic sources that address the issue, and I am happy to be on the side of ethical behavior. We can all pray for forgiveness and reconciliation in the Holy Land, as a new beginning that shows the world that religions can be more than vehicles of xenophobia and intolerance.

 

[tweedlealice]

Salutations,
It’s strange, how our opinions can differ, w Scripture as our basis of belief. Stealing is stealing! God created the rules. As scripture leads us into the future, and it is a fluid letter, we cannot change the story.
I, personally, felt FEAR OF THE LORD, was respect. As I traveled through OT, God the Father scares me. I have FEAR OF THE LORD! I had to accept God as He is. As deep as the thoughts, I’ve had, there are aspects of the Triune God Head that leave me in fear. Though I’m ever grateful for the SACFICE OF JESUS, and HIS CONSTANT LOVE!
The Holy Spirit,in His active involvement w the church and believers that embrace Him, is a source of power and love.
Pulling back on the the Cursio and Charismatic involvement is wrong. God, as a Spirit alive in us, in a Personal way, is a warmth that isn’t found in our standard approach. There could be a time, Ppl won’t know, what they are missing.
The gifts we’ve received will still be there for use for His children. But God’s Army needs more Captains.
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
Happy New Year for all the Earth.