Is Jesus God?

[jersen05]

listen to the word of God Spoken through the prophets trusted to the Catholic church.

thats one of what they are telling me… the 1st church was destroyed. the word catholic only came out when all of the apostles are dead. the bible said that some of you will go out of the church (dont know the exact words and verse but thats the message) and the others that are left in the church were killed sloughtered and murdered by the…Catholics… yehey… there is no proof of Catholics that an apostle mentioned the Catholics… “Catholics miss interpret the bible because the holy spirit is not with them.” they add… “and to say that Jesus is a God? hah!.. we believe that there is a “Son of God” but not a “God the Son” thats not in the bible” they add again… “Jesus is not a God” they add again…

they are pretty good at adding stuff hehehe… “JESUS IS NOT A GOD, HE IS NOT GOD”
“before abraham, i am” in the bible a blind man also said “i am” does it mean he is also god? same word in greek was used by the blind man.

“the father and i are one” in the bible jesus also told that, its about the one who planted the seed and the one who took care of it (i dont know the exact verse and exact words, but its there. in that verse jesus also said “he and i are one” or something… but the point is, saying “the father and i are one” does not proove Jesus divinity. they again add…

 

[juliamajor]

thats one of what they are telling me… the 1st church was destroyed. the word catholic only came out when all of the apostles are dead. the bible said that some of you will go out of the church (dont know the exact words and verse but thats the message) and the others that are left in the church were killed sloughtered and murdered by the…Catholics… yehey… there is no proof of Catholics that an apostle mentioned the Catholics… “Catholics miss interpret the bible because the holy spirit is not with them.” they add… “and to say that Jesus is a God? hah!.. we believe that there is a “Son of God” but not a “God the Son” thats not in the bible” they add again… “Jesus is not a God” they add again…

they are pretty good at adding stuff hehehe… “JESUS IS NOT A GOD, HE IS NOT GOD”
“before abraham, i am” in the bible a blind man also said “i am” does it mean he is also god? same word in greek was used by the blind man.

“the father and i are one” in the bible jesus also told that, its about the one who planted the seed and the one who took care of it (i dont know the exact verse and exact words, but its there. in that verse jesus also said “he and i are one” or something… but the point is, saying “the father and i are one” does not proove Jesus divinity. they again add…

Please reply in some intelligible form- these postings are all over the place- they make little sense. you can also stop the smarmy asides- very theatrical but serves no intelligent purpose. The word ‘catholic’ is from the Greek it means ‘universal’ so they were talking about a worldwide Church. Since there was only One church for the first thousand years I think you can say safely that the Catholic church was catholic…The Divine Logos was incarnated as a man-do you really expect that he was going to shoot thunder bolts out of his hands!.The import of the word Logos goes deep into Greek philosophy- if you don’t get that part, the philosophical implications of the “divine Logos”- then saying anything else is useless.To me it looks like those who you’ve been hanging out with have the theological depth of a puddle! oh by the way anyone who denies Jesus is God- is not a Christian- no matter what they think. Apparently that don’t realize that only those who call Christ ‘Lord’ are Christians- all else are faux.

 

[jean8]

The simple answer is no, Jesus is not God. BUT, He and the Father are One as Jesus said. The Father is Yahweh, the Son is Yahshua; not the same. Jesus’ authority and power came from the Father; He always deferred to His Father’s wishes. Consider this: God (the Father) knows everything, yet Jesus (the Son) does not know when He is returning.

Tj,
I mentioned some sciptures which you obvously did’nt
read or respond too. I’ll add one more to the list. Heb.1:8 Who is speaking here?

I really don’t know if your answer was directed to me or someone else. No one addresses to whom they are responding to.
So if this post I’m answering wasn’t yours , excuse me.

jean8

 

[NotWorthy]

The simple answer is no, Jesus is not God. BUT, He and the Father are One as Jesus said. The Father is Yahweh, the Son is Yahshua; not the same. Jesus’ authority and power came from the Father; He always deferred to His Father’s wishes. Consider this: God (the Father) knows everything, yet Jesus (the Son) does not know when He is returning.

Yahweh, of course, is the Hebrew translation of “I Am” (with a couple of vowels thrown in for good measure!).

Let’s see, does Jesus ever say “I Am” to refer to himself? Oh yeah!!! He does several times in John’s Gospel (7 if I remember correctly… hmmmm… 7), the culmination of course with John 8,
58 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."*** 59 ****** So they picked up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple area.***The Jewish reaction to what Jesus said is most telling. They picked up stones to throw at him for such blasphemy in their eyes.So I would think, TJKelly, that you are determining your theology and picking only the bible verses that seem to support it.

 

[jersen05]

juliamajor
Regular Member

Please reply in some intelligible form- these postings are all over the place- they make little sense. you can also stop the smarmy asides- very theatrical but serves no intelligent purpose. The word ‘catholic’ is from the Greek it means ‘universal’ so they were talking about a worldwide Church. Since there was only One church for the first thousand years I think you can say safely that the Catholic church was catholic…The Divine Logos was incarnated as a man-do you really expect that he was going to shoot thunder bolts out of his hands!.The import of the word Logos goes deep into Greek philosophy- if you don’t get that part, the philosophical implications of the “divine Logos”- then saying anything else is useless.To me it looks like those who you’ve been hanging out with have the theological depth of a puddle! oh by the way anyone who denies Jesus is God- is not a Christian- no matter what they think. Apparently that don’t realize that only those who call Christ ‘Lord’ are Christians- all else are faux.

VERY RUDE MEMBER OF THIS WEBSITE!!! and when i was beginning to enjoy posting… I’ll stop posting here… VERY RUDE!!! and oh… where in the bible can i see this>>>“anyone who denies Jesus is God- is not a Christian”<<< or is it another man made doctrine? and finally… >>>>juliamajor<<<<RUDE!!!

 

[jersen05]

58 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple area.

there is also an event in the bible wherein a blind man also says I am does it make him also God? RUDE MEMBER>>>>juliamajor<<<<<

 

[jersen05]

If he is the Alpha and the Omega the begining and the end then why does he tell people to Pray to the Father and why does he say through himself he can do nothing, only what the Father allows, and he siad Abba Father why have you forsaken me why would he say into your hands I commend my spirit, Yes I’ve heard of the trinity and the mystery of God, but many people claim Jesus and a prophet, who is healing the hindu, the muslim, the buddist, the atheist when they get sick?

He is not God… God is the Father… Jesus is the Son… So… He is simply not the Father rite? it means he is nod the God…

Question to everyone… are you and your father one? you can be one on your works but not exactly same rite?.. if you can show me father and son that is one then Jesus is God… but if not… then Jesus is not God…

 

[ready]

He is not God… God is the Father… Jesus is the Son… So… He is simply not the Father rite? it means he is nod the God…

Question to everyone… are you and your father one? you can be one on your works but not exactly same rite?.. if you can show me father and son that is one then Jesus is God… but if not… then Jesus is not God…

God is one, a unity - but a plural unity, a family. He is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the essence of family, which is love (the Holy Spirit.) God is not solitary like the Muslims and Jews think. Catholics are trinitarian. You really, really should read Scott Hahn’s excellent book on the topic called, First Comes Love. Peace!

 

[jersen05]

God is one, a unity - but a plural unity, a family. He is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the essence of family, which is love (the Holy Spirit.)

OK. what you say is good. family,trinity love and the others. But can i find that in the bible? I wanna tell that to the minister of Church of Christ, but i need proof saying “Jesus is God”. Or is that another man-made doctrine?

 

[ready]

OK. what you say is good. family,trinity love and the others. But can i find that in the bible? I wanna tell that to the minister of Church of Christ, but i need proof saying “Jesus is God”. Or is that another man-made doctrine?

If you could read that book by Scott Hahn called First Comes Love he gets into the Scriptures. For example, he talks about the creation story when God says “let us make man in our image…”. When he uses the word us, doesn’t that help you see God is not a solitary God, but a unity of family? I’m reading the book now, myself, and got it through the virtual catalogue at my library. You can order books from all over the country through the virtual catalogue system. Check it out and try to read the book. It’s exactly on topic with what you need to know.

 

[NotWorthy]

there is also an event in the bible wherein a blind man also says I am does it make him also God? RUDE MEMBER>>>>juliamajor<<<<<

Well, look at the reaction of the crowd. Did they resolve to stone him? No. I would look at the blind man’s words. Were they “Ego Ami”? Or are they something else that translated to “I am”.

Jesus’ words, however, “Before Abraham was, I AM” can not possibly equal the blind man’s words. Think about it. Abraham was 1800 years prior to Jesus’ incarnation at least.

 

[NotWorthy]

He is not God… God is the Father… Jesus is the Son… So… He is simply not the Father rite? it means he is nod the God…

Question to everyone… are you and your father one? you can be one on your works but not exactly same rite?.. if you can show me father and son that is one then Jesus is God… but if not… then Jesus is not God…

Jersen, why are you claiming to be “Catholic” if you are saying things that are particularly NOT Catholic.

 

[SFH]

If he is the Alpha and the Omega the begining and the end then why does he tell people to Pray to the Father WHEN WE PRAY THE OUR FATHER, WE DO NOT LIMIT OUR PRAYER TO THE FIRST PERSON OF THE BLESSED TRINITY. “FATHER” IS USED IN ITS BROADER SENSE (E.G., WE ARE CHILDREN OF GOD AND HE IS OUR FATHER); NOT IN ITS STRICTLY TRINITARIAN SENSE.

and why does he say through himself he can do nothing, only what the Father allows, HE MEANS IN HIS HUMAN NATURE, HE CAN DO NOTHING, BUT IN HIS DIVINE NATURE UNITED TO THE FATHER HE CAN DO ALL THINGS

and he siad Abba Father why have you forsaken me why would he say into your hands I commend my spirit, CHRIST HAD A HUMAN SOUL JUST LIKE YOU AND ME, WHICH HE COULD COMMEND TO GOD

Yes I’ve heard of the trinity and the mystery of God, but many people claim Jesus and a prophet, who is healing the hindu, the muslim, the buddist, the atheist when they get sick? THE “HEALINGS” ARE EITHER SPURIOUS, THE WORK OF THE DEVIL, OR THE WORK OF GOD TO DRAW MEN CLOSER TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH

 

[jersen05]

Jersen, why are you claiming to be “Catholic” if you are saying things that are particularly NOT Catholic.

I am saying these things even if im a Catholic because I am seeking answers about what I believe is true. I believe that Jesus is God, but what proof can i give to other people like the Church of Christ minister?

“Alpha and Omega”
From the beginning, the word was with God.
Because Jesus is the word of God, and from the beginning, Jesus is on his mind, that is why Jesus is in the very beginning.

Jesus will also the one on the last days, that is why he is Omega, he will come in the day of Judgment.

God said: “Let us make human beings…” (or something)
But it does not mean it really involves others on creation, for instance if I will read a book for my classmates, I sometimes say, “Let us read page 23” but it does not mean my classmates will also read the book, I alone will read the book because I am the one reporting that book rite?

 

[NotWorthy]

I am saying these things even if im a Catholic because I am seeking answers about what I believe is true. I believe that Jesus is God, but what proof can i give to other people like the Church of Christ minister?

“Alpha and Omega”
From the beginning, the word was with God.
Because Jesus is the word of God, and from the beginning, Jesus is on his mind, that is why Jesus is in the very beginning.

Jesus will also the one on the last days, that is why he is Omega, he will come in the day of Judgment.

God said: “Let us make human beings…” (or something)
But it does not mean it really involves others on creation, for instance if I will read a book for my classmates, I sometimes say, “Let us read page 23” but it does not mean my classmates will also read the book, I alone will read the book because I am the one reporting that book rite?

The Creation account will not stand on its own, so I wouldn’t use it as the “first proof”.

Stick to John 1… “And the Word was with God, and the Word was God… and the Word became Flesh”. What do you think of that, and we’ll continue from there.

 

[FCEGM]

I am saying these things even if im a Catholic because I am seeking answers about what I believe is true. I believe that Jesus is God, but what proof can i give to other people like the Church of Christ minister?

But, jersen, in saying such things as you’ve said in opposition the divinity of Christ, it can’t be surprising to you that people see these as your denial of Catholic teaching and not as the denial of the one you are trying to help. A better way to present your questions would be to say “so-and-so says ‘X,’ but I know the Church teaches differently; please help me explain the truth to so-and-so.”

You’ve been given lots of excellent scriptural references to give to the CoC minister, but just because you then pass them along to him, you cannot “prove” what he doesn’t want to believe; all you can do is show him the truth and pray that his heart will be opened to it.

 

[baddog]

im a catholic. but a minister of Iglesia Ni Christo (Church of Christ) told me the meaning of that verse… and according to them its like this>>> “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God” because its God’s words, that’s the reason the word was in the beginning. “and the Word was God” it is God’s word so it is GODLY, not GOD. there is only one God, that’s the Father. if the “Father” is the “Son” then in Exodus God said he will send his Son, So if that God was also the Son Jesus, who will Jesus send? God said he will send his Son, Jesus have a Son?

well, that’s what they told me…repeatedly… whahaha… anyways… any comment?

and oh, i also posted one of their “Pasugo-Mail box” issue… comment on that too huh…

John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Notice how John describes the Word with personal pronouns. The preexistent Word was a personal being with God and God. He was in the beginning. All things were made through Him.

 

[jersen05]

hmm… Catholics. so many miss interpretation on the bible. I cant believe Catholics last this long even though the Holy spirit is not with them. always defending their false doctrines. Like Jesus’ nature and also the baptism by sprinkle of water. Jesus as God is a false doctrine because Jesus him self clearly state that he is a human. Catholics cant support their sprinkle of water for baptism doctrine, how can they defend their doctrine that Jesus is God?

“My Lord and my God…” Thomas was shocked because in his mind Jesus is a spirit when he saw him. God is spirit, so he thinks Jesus is also God. But Jesus explained and said “I am still the same”(or something like that), meaning there is no change in his human state, he did not change in to God or something else but still the same, HUMAN". a created being of God. God created the world For Jesus, Jesus did not create the World. It was Created FOR HIM.

Out of the topic comment: Pope, represents Christ? Some Pope are BAD, have many women.

Catholic… how long can i defend this church’s teachings, how long can i hold on, I think God is showing me the way to Jesus’ Church, the Church of Christ (INC).

 

[NotWorthy]

hmm… Catholics. so many miss interpretation on the bible. I cant believe Catholics last this long even though the Holy spirit is not with them. always defending their false doctrines. Like Jesus’ nature and also the baptism by sprinkle of water. Jesus as God is a false doctrine because Jesus him self clearly state that he is a human. Catholics cant support their sprinkle of water for baptism doctrine, how can they defend their doctrine that Jesus is God?

“My Lord and my God…” Thomas was shocked because in his mind Jesus is a spirit when he saw him. God is spirit, so he thinks Jesus is also God. But Jesus explained and said “I am still the same”(or something like that), meaning there is no change in his human state, he did not change in to God or something else but still the same, HUMAN". a created being of God. God created the world For Jesus, Jesus did not create the World. It was Created FOR HIM.

Out of the topic comment: Pope, represents Christ? Some Pope are BAD, have many women.

Catholic… how long can i defend this church’s teachings, how long can i hold on, I think God is showing me the way to Jesus’ Church, the Church of Christ (INC).

I know… why don’t you ask your friend to simply respond to the Holy Spirit Words of John, the Apostle. You’ve been asked this several times, and only come up with false diversions.

“And the Word was with God, and the Word Was God”.

Regarding the “Sprinkling of Water” red-herring. Does your friend think that it is the Water that saves us? Or the Holy Spirit? Does the Holy Spirit need us to be totally immersed in the water before He can free us from Sin? Is the water magic?

I’m amazed at those who accuse Catholics of believing in superstitions and then turn around and think the magic of regeneration (or rebirth) is in the Water and not the Holy Spirit. Who is the superstitious one?

On a personal note: Jerson? Don’t let your friend throw up false trails. Make him stick to the topic at hand without throwing up the Pope and sprinkling. If he’s willing to change the subject, point out that he must be recognizing that he is wrong, or else he wouldn’t want to change the subject. I mean, why change horses in midstream, unless you are traveling on the wrong horse!

 

[baddog]

hmm… Catholics. so many miss interpretation on the bible. I cant believe Catholics last this long even though the Holy spirit is not with them. always defending their false doctrines. Like Jesus’ nature and also the baptism by sprinkle of water. Jesus as God is a false doctrine because Jesus him self clearly state that he is a human. Catholics cant support their sprinkle of water for baptism doctrine, how can they defend their doctrine that Jesus is God?

“My Lord and my God…” Thomas was shocked because in his mind Jesus is a spirit when he saw him. God is spirit, so he thinks Jesus is also God. But Jesus explained and said “I am still the same”(or something like that), meaning there is no change in his human state, he did not change in to God or something else but still the same, HUMAN". a created being of God. God created the world For Jesus, Jesus did not create the World. It was Created FOR HIM.

Out of the topic comment: Pope, represents Christ? Some Pope are BAD, have many women.

Catholic… how long can i defend this church’s teachings, how long can i hold on, I think God is showing me the way to Jesus’ Church, the Church of Christ (INC).

John 1:18- No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.
Jesus is God’s only Son. Kind begets kind. Jesus has the same nature as his Father, God.
God is eternal (from everlasting to everlasting). Therefore Jesus is from everlasting to everlasting.
Also, Jesus was human, being born of a woman.
Gal. 4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
Therefore he also had his mother’s human nature.
Jesus is one person both human and divine. One person; two natures.