Is Jesus God?

[jersen05]

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John17 (New American Standard Bible)

JN17:1 "These things Jesus spoke; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "“Father, the hour has come; glorify Thy Son, that the Son may glorify Thee,”

JN17:2 “even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give eternal life.”

JN17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.”

was Jesus talking about him self or was it about " the only true God " ?

born under the law

God let him self be under something?

God sent forth his Son

God will send his Son, not God will send God

Jesus him self deny that he is God by saying the Father is the only true God? cant you just follow his instructions and set your mind that the only true God is the Father and NOT THE SON!?

“And the Word was with God, and the Word Was God”.
There is two GOD?

 

[baddog]

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John17 (New American Standard Bible)

JN17:1 "These things Jesus spoke; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "“Father, the hour has come; glorify Thy Son, that the Son may glorify Thee,”

JN17:2 “even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give eternal life.”

JN17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.”

was Jesus talking about him self or was it about " the only true God " ?

In verse 1 we see the Son equates his glory with God the Father’s.
John 17:5- and now, Father, glorify thou me in thy own presence with the glory which I had with thee before the world was made.
Jesus said he shared in the glory of the Father before the world was made.
However we read this in Isaiah:
Isa. 48:11 For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.
God says he will not give his glory to another. Therefore the Son must be God to share in God’s glory.

In verse 2 Jesus is speaking of the authority he always had that came from the Father. The Son is eternally generated from the Father.
In verse 3 Jesus is speaking of the Father and Son relationship that exists within the Godhead and he is making known.

“God let him self be under something?”
As a man, Jesus was subject to his Father.
Phil. 2:5- Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.
Christ took on the form of a servant. However, he was of the same nature as his Father, God, and therefore equal.
Not much different than a human subjecting himself to another human but being equal in nature to that person. Not that difficult to understand.

“God will send his Son, not God will send God”
You still haven’t explained how a son doesn’t have his Father’s nature.
However you are confusing nature with personhood. God is not one and three in the same way. God is one in nature but three in person. There is one divine nature but three divine persons.

“Jesus him self deny that he is God by saying the Father is the only true God? cant you just follow his instructions and set your mind that the only true God is the Father and NOT THE SON!?”
Once again, you’re going to have to explain how a son doesn’t have his father’s nature. Kind begets kind. Also you’re confusing nature with personhood. They are not the same.

“And the Word was with God, and the Word Was God”.
There is two GOD?

Yes, the Son was with divinity and was divinity. Two persons, both divine.

 

[jersen05]

Nice one baddog…
thanks for the reply.
I will send this explanation to Pasugo, Gods Message of Church of Christ (INC)
now that you know that im going to send this to them… would you still like to add something else?
I will wait for your next post before sending this…
thank you again.

 

[baddog]

Nice one baddog…
thanks for the reply.
I will send this explanation to Pasugo, Gods Message of Church of Christ (INC)
now that you know that im going to send this to them… would you still like to add something else?
I will wait for your next post before sending this…
thank you again.

No, nothing else at this time. It’s time for him to answer some things. See what he says.

 

[jean8]

But, jersen, in saying such things as you’ve said in opposition the divinity of Christ, it can’t be surprising to you that people see these as your denial of Catholic teaching and not as the denial of the one you are trying to help. A better way to present your questions would be to say “so-and-so says ‘X,’ but I know the Church teaches differently; please help me explain the truth to so-and-so.”

You’ve been given lots of excellent scriptural references to give to the CoC minister, but just because you then pass them along to him, you cannot “prove” what he doesn’t want to believe; all you can do is show him the truth and pray that his heart will be opened to it.

FCEGM,
Yes, Jesus is God. You can refer to these passages in the Bible. Jn.1:1-3, Col.1:15-19
and Heb.1:8

God bless,
jean

 

[dearko88]

no its not…because jesus is man…

apostle Paul who was called by jesus when he was already in heaven, testified that ““there is one God and one mediator between God and men… the man Christ jesus”” I tim 2:5

when jesus is mediator…then who is now God?

 

[jersen05]

1 JN5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding, in order that we might know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.”

what the meaning of this verse?

 

[dearko88]

is God have Son?

 

[juliamajor]

Ok if Jesus isn’t the Son of God why don’t you become Jews? Or Muslims.They both say God has no Son…In Muslim eyes Jesus was a prophet- pretty much what you say o, COC.You can’t call yourselves Christians because one of the universal doctrines of christianity is Jesus as Son of God.- so when are you converting?:

 

[jamil_joseph02]

He is not God… God is the Father… Jesus is the Son… So… He is simply not the Father rite? it means he is nod the God…

Question to everyone… are you and your father one? you can be one on your works but not exactly same rite?.. if you can show me father and son that is one then Jesus is God… but if not… then Jesus is not God…

you know what, why don’t you admit to us that you are simply a member of this Iglesia ni Cristo aka Church of Christ in the Philippines. It’s very obvious you’re just pretending to be a “Catholic on a mission defending his Catholic faith” and “helping his Iglesia friend draw to the Catholic church”. Are you not proud to say that you are a member of this INC church and that you believe the INC church is the true Church of Christ? huh?

 

[juliamajor]

thats one of what they are telling me… the 1st church was destroyed. the word catholic only came out when all of the apostles are dead. the bible said that some of you will go out of the church (dont know the exact words and verse but thats the message) and the others that are left in the church were killed sloughtered and murdered by the…Catholics… yehey… there is no proof of Catholics that an apostle mentioned the Catholics… “Catholics miss interpret the bible because the holy spirit is not with them.” they add… “and to say that Jesus is a God? hah!.. we believe that there is a “Son of God” but not a “God the Son” thats not in the bible” they add again… “Jesus is not a God” they add again…

they are pretty good at adding stuff hehehe… “JESUS IS NOT A GOD, HE IS NOT GOD”
“before abraham, i am” in the bible a blind man also said “i am” does it mean he is also god? same word in greek was used by the blind man.

“the father and i are one” in the bible jesus also told that, its about the one who planted the seed and the one who took care of it (i dont know the exact verse and exact words, but its there. in that verse jesus also said “he and i are one” or something… but the point is, saying “the father and i are one” does not proove Jesus divinity. they again add…

Wow-I’m rude. I find that rather hysterical after your postings with your with innuendo, lies and half truths and when someone calls you on it you hide behind your hurt feelings.I said other things but you just ignored them.

 

[blackst]

I think you are confused… the Lamb of God, the Word Incarnate, did not come to share His Divinity but to teach and die; hence, when matters of God’s knowledge, the Son of Man, would always acquiesce to the Father’s Authority:

St. John 14:10
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you. (St. John 16:13-15)

5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature** of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross! (Philippians 2:5-8)

13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. (Titus 2:13-14)

5For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”? Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”? 6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.” 7In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire.” 8But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.” 10He also says,
“In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.” 13To which of the angels did God ever say,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”? (Hebrews 1:5-13)

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. (St. John 1:1-4)

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

1After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi[a] from the east came to Jerusalem 2and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east** and have come to worship him.”
10When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. (St. Matthew 2:1-2, 10-11–compare with 1 Samuel 8:6-7)

Maran atha!

Angel****

Jesus said WE would do greater things than he, he also said that we are sons of God, he also said we were gods,The Cathechism 460 the word became flesh to make us partakers in the divinity of christ.

Do I need to Quote scripture to prove a point?

What is our origin monkeys, who made monkey’s, God, Then God created man and WE have our begining from God, thus we are children of God.

Do you not know you are the temple of the living God.

In the begining, God said now they “people” will be like us “Gods” and they will know the difference between Good and Evil.

 

[jean8]

John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Notice how John describes the Word with personal pronouns. The preexistent Word was a personal being with God and God. He was in the beginning. All things were made through Him.

baddog,
I agree.
We may also read Jn1:14 “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
Another is Col.1:15a "He is the image of the invisible God, the frist born over all creation. 16. For by him all things were created, things in heaven and things on earth…

Did someone say Jesus was only a man? Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is divine. Jesus has two natures he is human and divine.
A mere man cannot save you from your sins.
jean

 

[DonLeon]

If he is the Alpha and the Omega the begining and the end then why does he tell people to Pray to the Father and why does he say through himself he can do nothing, only what the Father allows, and he siad Abba Father why have you forsaken me why would he say into your hands I commend my spirit, Yes I’ve heard of the trinity and the mystery of God, but many people claim Jesus and a prophet, who is healing the hindu, the muslim, the buddist, the atheist when they get sick?

Jesus also said that the Father is also greater than he is. Isn’t your father greater than you? Don’t you refer all family decisions to your father? Jesus IS God, no less in glory,
majesty, or power, but still subject to His Father in authority as a son.

As for the Hindu, Muslim, Buddist, etc., they are still God’s children even though they don’t believe in Him or worship Him as we do. Think of them as estranged siblings whom
your parents still love.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem.

 

[DonLeon]

If he is the Alpha and the Omega the begining and the end then why does he tell people to Pray to the Father and why does he say through himself he can do nothing, only what the Father allows, and he siad Abba Father why have you forsaken me why would he say into your hands I commend my spirit, Yes I’ve heard of the trinity and the mystery of God, but many people claim Jesus and a prophet, who is healing the hindu, the muslim, the buddist, the atheist when they get sick?

BLACKST:

Jesus refers to His Father as a son refers to his father. His Father is greater than He is in the same manner that your father is greater than you are. Jesus gets His authority from His Father as you get yours from your father. Jesus is God the son, no less in glory,
majesty and power, but still subject to His Father. As we with our father share human nature, Jesus with His Father shares the Divine Nature.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[jcrichton]

One in mind, One in love, One in thougths I believe.

Are the Father and the Son the same God?

Yes!

The problem is found in our mind not in God’s entity!:

8 I am Yahweh, that is my name! I shall not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols. 9 See how the former predictions have come true. Fresh things I now reveal; before they appear I tell you of them. (Isaiah 42:8-9)

**10 You yourselves are my witnesses, declares Yahweh, and the servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that it is I. No god was formed before me, nor will be after me. 11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Saviour but me. 12 I have revealed, have saved, and have proclaimed, not some foreigner among you. You are my witnesses, declares Yahweh, I am God, 13 yes, from eternity I am. No one can deliver from my hand; when I act, who can thwart me? 14 Thus says Yahweh, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: ** (Isaiah 43:10-14a)

30 The Father and I are one. 31 The Jews fetched stones to stone him, 32 so Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many good works from my Father; for which of these are you stoning me?’ 33 The Jews answered him, ‘We are stoning you, not for doing a good work, but for blasphemy; though you are only a man, you claim to be God.’ 34 Jesus answered: Is it not written in your Law: I said, you are gods? 35 So it uses the word ‘gods’ of those people to whom the word of God was addressed – and scripture cannot be set aside. 36 Yet to someone whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world you say, ‘You are blaspheming’ because I said, ‘I am Son of God.’ 37 If I am not doing my Father’s work, there is no need to believe me; 38 but if I am doing it, then even if you refuse to believe in me, at least believe in the work I do; then you will know for certain that the Father is in me and I am in the Father. (St. John 10:30-38)

6 Jesus said: I am the Way; I am Truth and Life. No one can come to the Father except through me. 7 If you know me, you will know my Father too. From this moment you know him and have seen him. 8 Philip said, ‘Lord, show us the Father and then we shall be satisfied.’ Jesus said to him, 9 'Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? 'Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father, so how can you say, “Show us the Father”? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? What I say to you I do not speak of my own accord: it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his works. 11 You must believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe it on the evidence of these works. (St. John 14:6-11)

Yahweh God has revealed that He Alone is God; Jesus has revealed that He is God and that He and the Father are ONE!

Since Yahweh God has established that He Alone is God and that before Him and after Him there is no God, we must accept the revelation given to the the Apostles:

1 In the beginning was the Word: the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning. (St. John 1:1-2)

**5 Make your own the mind of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, did not count equality with God something to be grasped. 7 But he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming as human beings are; and being in every way like a human being, 8 he was humbler yet, even to accepting death, death on a cross. 9 And for this God raised him high, and gave him the name which is above all other names; 10 so that all beings in the heavens, on earth and in the underworld, should bend the knee at the name of Jesus 11 and that every tongue should acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ** (Philippians 2:5-11)

Believing and accepting the revelation of the Holy Trinity, st. Paul makes a succinct yet vital confession of Faith:

Because of that, I want to make it quite clear to you that no one who says ‘A curse on Jesus’ can be speaking in the Spirit of God, and nobody is able to say, ‘Jesus is Lord’ except in the Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Through accepting (being obedient) to God’s revelations (the Word given to the various Prophets and Apostles and Christ’s own revelations) we can, beyond a reasonable doubt, ascertain that the Father and the Son are ONE GOD!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

The simple answer is no, Jesus is not God. BUT, He and the Father are One as Jesus said. The Father is Yahweh, the Son is Yahshua; not the same. Jesus’ authority and power came from the Father; He always deferred to His Father’s wishes. Consider this: God (the Father) knows everything, yet Jesus (the Son) does not know when He is returning.

The problem with your simple answer is that it denies the Word of God!:

5 For a son has been born for us, a son has been given to us, and dominion has been laid on his shoulders; and this is the name he has been given, ‘Wonder-Counsellor, Mighty-God, Eternal-Father, Prince-of-Peace’ (Isaiah 9:5)

18 This is how Jesus Christ came to be born. His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph… 21 She will give birth to a son and you must name him Jesus, because he is the one who is to save his people from their sins.’ 22 Now all this took place to fulfil what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: 23 Look! the virgin is with child and will give birth to a son whom they will call Immanuel, a name which means ‘God-is-with-us’. (St. Matthew 1:18-23)

1 ‘Look, I shall send my messenger to clear a way before me. And suddenly the Lord whom you seek will come to his Temple; yes, the angel of the covenant, for whom you long, is on his way, says Yahweh Sabaoth. 2 Who will be able to resist the day of his coming? Who will remain standing when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire, like fullers’ alkali. 3 He will take his seat as refiner and purifier; he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they can make the offering to Yahweh with uprightness. 4 The offering of Judah and Jerusalem will then be acceptable to Yahweh as in former days, as in the years of old. (Malachi 3:1-4)

1 The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2 It is written in the prophet Isaiah: Look, I am going to send my messenger in front of you to prepare your way before you… and as they were baptised by him in the river Jordan they confessed their sins. (St. Mark 1:1-5)

20 …‘John the Baptist has sent us to you to ask, “Are you the one who is to come or are we to expect someone else?”’ 21 At that very time he cured many people of diseases and afflictions and of evil spirits, and gave the gift of sight to many who were blind. 22 Then he gave the messengers their answer, 'Go back and tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind see again, the lame walk, those suffering from virulent skin-diseases are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised to life, the good news is proclaimed to the poor 23 ‘and blessed is anyone who does not find me a cause of falling.’ (St. Luke 7:20-23)

16 He came to Nazara… 18 The spirit of the Lord is on me, for he has anointed me to bring the good news to the afflicted. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives, sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, 19 to proclaim a year of favour from the Lord… 21 Then he began to speak to them, ‘This text is being fulfilled today even while you are listening.’ (St. Luke 4:16-21)

He did the same with the cup after supper, and said, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood poured out for you. (St. Luke 22:20)

13 No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of man… 16 For this is how God loved the world: he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. 17 For God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but so that through him the world might be saved. 18 No one who believes in him will be judged; but whoever does not believe is judged already, because that person does not believe in the Name of God’s only Son. 19 And the judgement is this: though the light has come into the world people have preferred darkness to the light because their deeds were evil… 21 but whoever does the truth comes out into the light, so that what he is doing may plainly appear as done in God.’ (St. John 3:13-21)

1 'After this I shall pour out my spirit on all humanity. Your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old people shall dream dreams, and your young people see visions. 2 Even on the slaves, men and women, shall I pour out my spirit in those days. (Joel 3:1-2)

15 If you love me you will keep my commandments. 16 I shall ask the Father, and he will give you another Paraclete to be with you for ever, 17 the Spirit of truth whom the world can never accept since it neither sees nor knows him; but you know him, because he is with you, he is in you… 21 Whoever holds to my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves me; and whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and reveal myself to him.’ 22 Judas – not Judas Iscariot – said to him, ‘Lord, what has happened, that you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?’ 23 Jesus replied: Anyone who loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him. 24 Anyone who does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not my own: it is the word of the Father who sent me. 25 I have said these things to you while still with you; 26 but the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything and remind you of all I have said to you. (St. John 14:15-25)

It is necessary to read the passages of the Holy Scriptures in accord with the rest of the Bible. When we dissect God’s Word and attempt to apply individual meanings to these truncated passages our understanding is, at best, murky. When we allow the Holy Spirit to guide us the Word becomes cohesive and transparent as our understanding is enhanced by the Spirit of Truth!: The Word, Jesus, the Immanuel, the King of kings and Lord of lords, the Amen (God of the Amen), is God!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

VERY RUDE MEMBER OF THIS WEBSITE!!! and when i was beginning to enjoy posting… I’ll stop posting here… VERY RUDE!!! and oh… where in the bible can i see this>>>“anyone who denies Jesus is God- is not a Christian”<<< or is it another man made doctrine? and finally… >>>>juliamajor<<<<RUDE!!!

You cannot serve two masters… if you are a Christian then Christ is your Lord and there is only One Lord: the Christ!

This same Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God; it is He whom David calls Lord!

This same Christ is the One whose Name is above all names…

The King of kings… the Eternal Word; the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the One who Was, Is, and Is to Come!

Scriptures tell you that to deny the Son is to deny the Father, can you debase Christ by rejecting His Divinity and expect the Father to offer you Salvation?

Ever heard who is the Resurrection and the Life? The Only means to the Father?

If the Father calls Christ God (Hebrews 1:5-15), why do you doubt?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

there is also an event in the bible wherein a blind man also says I am does it make him also God? RUDE MEMBER>>>>juliamajor<<<<<

Was the blind man claiming to be Eternal?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

He is not God… God is the Father… Jesus is the Son… So… He is simply not the Father rite? it means he is nod the God…

Question to everyone… are you and your father one? you can be one on your works but not exactly same rite?.. if you can show me father and son that is one then Jesus is God… but if not… then Jesus is not God…

Are you real? If I understand you correctly, you have determined that if man cannot be what God is then God cannot be who God states that He is…

Christ did not say I am similar to my Father; He stated very precisely: “the Father is in Me and I am in the Father.” “I and the Father are One.” “…if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.”

“…everything the Father has is Mine!”

When we read through the Sacred Scriptures we find that Only to God has there been attributed the Authority and Power (Might, Glory) which are attributed to Christ. Not only that but it is Christ Himself that makes the revelations/changes by which even the non-Believing Jews live!

I pray that the Holy Spirit enlighten your heart and mind so that you do not deny your Creator, Lord, King, and Only Savior!

Maran atha!

Angel