Is Jesus God?

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zapaleda said:
Who sees me sees the Father also.

Jesus is prayed to - Acts 7:55-60; 1 Cor. 1:2 with Psalm 116:4; (John 14:14)
Jesus is worshipped - Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6
Jesus cleanses from sin - 1 John 1:9
Jesus forgives sins - Matt. 9:1-7; Luke 5:20; 7:48
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#3 and #4. Catholic priests forgive sin too. They’re not divine. They just think they are. 😃

2 Matt 2:2, 11​

saying, “Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We saw his star 3 at its rising and have come to do him **homage.” **

and on entering the house they saw the child with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him homage. Then they opened their treasures and offered him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Note: Homage is not worship.

#1 Jesus is not prayed to. He’s only “seen” in a vision.

Acts 7:55-56But he, filled with the holy Spirit, looked up intently to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God,
and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

When you attempt to use a scriptural quote to prove your point, please actually quote it .

As can be seen, none of these support what you claimed.
 
For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible. - Franz Werfel
 
JP_Marat said:
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#3 and #4. Catholic priests forgive sin too. They’re not divine. They just think they are. 😃
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I don’t find your smiley face funny. Priest can only forgive sins because Jesus gave them this power.
When you attempt to use a scriptural quote to prove your point, please actually quote it .
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As can be seen, none of these support what you claimed.
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John 9:35-38
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Jesus said to him, “You have seen him and the one speaking with you is he.”
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He said, “I do believe, Lord,” and he worshiped him.
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Heb. 1:6
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And again, when he leads 3 the first-born into the world, he says: “Let all the angels of God worship him.”
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with all those everywhere who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.
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What would calling on the name of our Lord Jesus if not prayer?
As can be seen, none of these support what you claimed.
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I don’t see that none support his claim. You are right on some and wrong on others.
 
Ben_Masada said:
The answer is in the definition of faith, and Reason, and Knowledge. You might want to consider trading your faith for hope… at least.
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Everywhere I see your posts you continually defame our faith ,which by the way you have very little understanding of. Your arguments against us sound exactly the same as an atheist’s in describing us as pagans.
Where exactly do you think this hope exists? For us christians it is in Jesus (Yeshua the true messiah) and the promise of the resurrection (you claim you don’t believe) which if I recall was a jewish concept. (pharisees)

The Pharisees

The most important of the three were the Pharisees because they are the spiritual fathers of modern Judaism. Their main distinguishing characteristic was a belief in an Oral Law that God gave to Moses at Sinai along with the Torah. The Torah or Written Law was akin to the U.S. Constitution in the sense that it set down a series of laws that were open to interpretation. The Pharisees believed that God also gave Moses the knowledge of what these laws meant and how they should be applied. This oral tradition was codified and written down roughly three centuries later in what is known as the Talmud.

The Pharisees also maintained that an afterlife existed and that God punished the wicked and rewarded the righteous in the world to come. They also believed in a messiah who would herald an era of world peace.

Pharisees were in a sense blue-collar Jews who adhered to the tenets developed after the destruction of the Temple; that is, such things as individual prayer and assembly in synagogues
(Exerpt from jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/sadducees_pharisees_essenes.html
 
For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible. - Franz Werfel
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For My G-d all things are possible.

Your quote would not even be correct if your assertion was not of the truth.
Priest can only forgive sins because Jesus gave them this power.
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Not so, you can all forgive each other, Yeshua (pbwh) was sent for you to learn this and that you are all brothers.
He was sent so you would learn this and act on it. If you do not give mercy you may not be shown mercy.

Your statement is true if you understand we are a kingdom of priests.
 
Canto said:
What does Greek mythology have to do with anything?
Jesus was Jewish but instituted the Catholic Church.

God in human form.c.f. John ch1

“In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… and the Word became flesh.”
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You have answered your own question. That what Greek Mythology is. When you claim that a man was God.
 
zapaleda said:
Who sees me sees the Father also.

Jesus is prayed to - Acts 7:55-60; 1 Cor. 1:2 with Psalm 116:4; (John 14:14)
Jesus is worshipped - Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6
Jesus cleanses from sin - 1 John 1:9
Jesus forgives sins - Matt. 9:1-7; Luke 5:20; 7:48
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And Jesus has become the victim of Greek Mythology.
 
Ben_Masada said:
You have answered your own question. That what Greek Mythology is. When you claim that a man was God.
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God took human form
That’s the truth
You and I just have different ideas on what the truth is

Maybe in mythology men were gods but so what?
If gods in mythology created the earth does that mean God didn’t create the world? Of course not.
 
Canto said:
God took human form
That’s the truth
You and I just have different ideas on what the truth is

Maybe in mythology men were gods but so what?
If gods in mythology created the earth does that mean God didn’t create the world? Of course not.
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Who told you that God took human form, the Hellenistic Gentile who wrote the 4th gospel? What’s that, man now decides what God did or should have done? For about three
thousand years God was absolutely One. Christianity came up and decided that we have been wrong all along. That from now on God is three, and that one of the three took the form of a man. That sounds like a joke.
 
Ben_Masada said:
Who told you that God took human form, the Hellenistic Gentile who wrote the 4th gospel? What’s that, man now decides what God did or should have done? For about three
thousand years God was absolutely One. Christianity came up and decided that we have been wrong all along. That from now on God is three, and that one of the three took the form of a man. That sounds like a joke.
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How do you know God is one? Who told you?

And just so you know, Catholics believe that God is one.
 
Ben:

On a side note: I was glad to see that SOMEONE had the Cajones to speak up at the UN last week and tell it like it is!!! Mr. Netanyahu (?) showed us that sometimes a spade needs to be called a spade.
 
joannazenobia said:
For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible. - Franz Werfel
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Those who are intellectually honest have to admit error when it is established. They are not “True Believers,” as Eric Hoffer describes, who have to believe certain things even once they have been proven to be in error.
 
adrift said:
I don’t find your smiley face funny. Priest can only forgive sins because Jesus gave them this power.

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Then Jesus could forgive sin only because God gave him the power like to priests.😉
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adrift said:
I don’t find your smiley face funny. Priest can only forgive sins because Jesus gave them this power.

John 9:35-38

Heb. 1:6

What would calling on the name of our Lord Jesus if not prayer?

I don’t see that none support his claim. You are right on some and wrong on others.
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QUESTIONS:

When was Jesus first described as divine? When and by whom was Hebrews actually written?
 
adrift said:

Epistle to the Hebrews

Your first question is oddly put so I will answer this way. Jesus said He was God. Now I will ask you a question why do you say you are Catholic?
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Other than in John’s Gospel, written between 95 and 110 AD, where does Jesus say he was God?

The claim that Jesus was divine, not just the messiah, originated about 85 AD.
Prior to this, Jesus’ immediate followers remained very observant Temple worshipping Jews (see Acts).

Obviously, the Jews would have never have allowed them to if they had claimed Jesus was himself divine. When they began to claim this, they were anathamatized from the Jewish synagogues as apostates. (See John’s Gospel)

"And Jesus said to him: Why dost thou call me good? None is good but God alone. "(Luke 18:19)

From the New American Bible (USCCB) Introduction to Hebrews:

“Among the reasons why **Pauline authorship has been abandoned **are the great difference of vocabulary and style between Hebrews and Paul’s letters, the alternation of doctrinal teaching with moral exhortation, the different manner of citing the Old Testament, and the resemblance between the thought of Hebrews and that of Alexandrian Judaism. The Greek of the letter is in many ways the best in the New Testament.”

I said I was Catholic. This doesn’t mean I’m a gullible. I am Catholic because I was baptized a Catholic and thus remain one. (see Canon Law).

“Test everything. Hold fast to that which is true.” (Paul).
 
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