Is Jesus God?

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hopeforfaith said:
Okay, so i don’t know if i have sinned by thinking this:
Before when i didn’t go too deep reading the bible, i heard from my Legion teacher advisor that Jesus is God. I didn’t think particularly about it afterwards. But i was thinking that Jesus IS God and then there is God. Because it was kind of stated that he sits on the right side of the God. And so i am thinking now that Jesus is God and then there is God… but this sounds weird. Like two Gods? Once my friend said “i thought they were the same person” i forgot what i said but i said something like “what? Maybe he is. I don’t really know.” or “it can’t be, right?” Now, after reading part of this thread, i do know that Jesus is God and it was wrong to doubt it. But… is it like there is Jesus, who is God, and then there is God himself?
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There is ONE God. Every week Catholics say the Creed, “God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God. Begotten, not made. One in Being with the Father…”
 
I understand now. But it’s a bit confusing… can you explain it more clearly?
 
hopeforfaith said:
I understand now. But it’s a bit confusing… can you explain it more clearly?
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God is mystery hence the divine name “I AM WHO AM = YWHH” he is the creator of all the beginning the end, the first the last he IS. So for us to really say we will know all of God is (despite us being his creature) impossible. Like scripture say his way is far beyond our way but scripture does teach us that God is One GOD, there is no god before nor god after he alone IS.
with that being said New Revelation in scripture in the New Testament shows that God became man Jesus the Son of God has been revealed. Is he an angel coming down from heaven (Hebrews 1 say he is greater then the angels) is he just a prophet like the Old Testament prophet (Hebrews tells us God spoke to us through the prophets but now he speaks to us through a Son). So he is a Son but who’s son, The Father’s Son. But who is the Father, GOD so if he is the son of the Father what does that make Jesus, GOD because they are of the same essence same nature.
The Son is in the Father and the Father in the Son (John 14:10,11)

The Son shares all that the Father is all characteristics and traits and even the same name the Divine Name. (John 8:58) and the names of “Alpha Omega, First Last Begining End.”

No the word Trinity is not in the bible but the teaching is. The explicit teachings really became defined when heresies evolved, men such as Arian, Nestorian started teaching teachings that contradicted the scriptures and the teachings of the church 4th century 5th century where they denied the divinity of Jesus.
 
Hebrews 1:8-9

“But unto the Son he saith,
‘Thy throne, O God,
is forever and ever:
and a sceptre of uprightness
is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity;
therefore God hath anointed thee,
even thy God,
with the oil of gladness
above thy fellows.’”

θεός…its ‘nominative for vocative’ unless you think God is a throne 😃

Jesus is God
 
Martin_R said:
I’ve started this thread to discuss the idea that Jesus is God. I don’t think so and no, I’m not a Jehovah’s Witness.
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John 1:1 applies the word theos to Jesus.

Now, this creates a problem for monotheists, who believe in one God, because here it is, inspired scripture calling Jesus “Theos,” God. Throughout history there have been various solutions to this problem. Which solution do you favor?
 
I’ll get back to this with exact quotes from the book of Revalation to demonstrate the Divinity of Christ, but suffice it to say that Jesus does claim to be very God.

From the King James Version

quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=5379618

Some biblical support for the Divinity of Christ from the Book of Revelation, with some of my own commentary:

Rev 1:11 "I am the Alpha and Omega (if not God, who could that possibly be?), the beginning and the end, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty…
1:13 John: “And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man…”
1:18: “I am he that liveth, and was dead (now who could that be? read the greeting of the Book of Revelation which I have posted below)…and have the*** keys of hell and death*** (where have we heard this keys business before?)”

Rev 21: 6-7:“I am the Alpha and Omega…I will be His God” (these are two connected phrase posted right after each other—therefore, we have Alpha and Omega = God)

Rev 22: 13, 17: “I am the Alpha and Omega…I Jesus have sent mine angel…” (once again we have two phrases after each other—this time, Alpha and Omega = Jesus)

Can we, using a little sentence math, if you will, make the case, Alpha and Omega = God = Jesus Christ?

If there is any doubt as to who is speaking to whom, read the greeting:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of ***Jesus Christ ***, which God gave unto him…

Now, some warnings so that we can be certain of these writings: Rev 22:19: " And if any man shall take away…God shall take away his part out of the book of life" (We assume this applies to the author of this book himself, if he decided to add references to the Divinity of Jesus Christ though he were not properly instructed—also, it would be blasphemy if he did the above in any case, if it were not true, since he wrote them into the Book of Revelation)

Rev 22:20 “He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”

Amen. Amen. Amen.

With Easter delight,

Paul R. Viola
 
Now, granted, before anyone gets me on this, the keys in the book of Matthew deal with the keys to heaven, whereas this one deals with the keys to hades, but anyone can see that the two are related, considering that I have given a fair demonstration that the one who said the contested Matthew quote is also the same one who said this one.

Even if we omit other such claims of Christ’s divinity, such as those in the Gospels where Jesus says, “Amen, before …?..] came to be, I AM” (remember in Exodus where God tells Moses “***I AM *** Who I AM”?), I have given you sufficient evidence to show that Jesus did claim direct Divinity.

It is therefore complete rubbish to say that He did not claim Divinity, regardless of your or my point of view…and it is for us to decide whether we believe Him or not.

Paul R. Viola
 
Martin_R said:
There was no knowledge of Trinitarian doctrine at the time Thomas spoke.
There is no evidence from the gospel accounts that Jesus’ disciples believed him to be God, and Thomas, upon seeing the resurrected Christ, was not birthing a new theology in a moment of surprise.

The context of the verse shows that its subject is the fact that Jesus was alive. Only three verses earlier, Thomas had ignored the eyewitness testimony of the other apostles when they told him they had seen the Lord. The resurrection of Christ was such a disputed doctrine that Thomas did not believe it (the other apostles had not either), and thus Jesus’ death would have caused Thomas to doubt that Jesus was who he said he was—the Messiah. Thomas believed Jesus was dead. Thus, he was shocked and astonished when he saw—and was confronted by— Jesus Himself. Thomas, upon being confronted by the living Christ, instantly believed in the resurrection, i.e., that God had raised the man Jesus from the dead, and, given the standard use of “God” in the culture as one with God’s authority, it certainly makes sense that Thomas would proclaim, “My Lord and my God.” There is no mention of the Trinity in the context, and there is no reason to believe that the disciples would have even been aware of such a doctrine. Thomas spoke what he would have known: that the man Jesus who he thought was dead was alive and had divine authority.
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RE: “There was no knowledge of Trinitarian doctrine at the time Thomas spoke.”

OF COURSE NOT! HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE TRINITY DID NOT EXIST AT THE TIME AND IN FACT BEFORE ALL TIME. AT THE TIME JESUS WAS IN THE PROCESS OF REVEALING TO MANKIND THE TRUTH/FACT/MYSTERY OF THE TRINITY, ONE GOD YET THREE PERSONS HAVING BUT ONE DIVINE WILL AND NOT THREE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT GODS WHICH CANNOT BE.

REMEMBER HAT THE ERA OF REVELATION ENDED WITH THE LAST LIVING APOSTLE AND THIS IS WHY THE ORIGINAL APOSTLES WERE INSPIRED TO WRITE THE BIBLE THE CANON OF WHICH WAS NOT FINALIZED FOR 3-4 CENTURIES, THE BIBLE DOES NOT EXPLICITLY USE THE THE TERM TRINITY BUT THE BASIS FOR UNDERSTANDING THE TRINITARIAN CONCEPT/MYSTERY/DOCTRINE/DOGMA CAN BE EXPLAINED THROUGH JESUS’ OWN WORDS:

“THE FATHER AND I ARE ONE.”

AND,

“I WILL SEND A COMFORTER”

I DON’T HAVE THE BIBLICAL REFERENCES AT THE MOMENT BUT I AM SURE THEY CAN BE FOUND.

GOD BLESS…KEEP THE FAITH,

BUSSI
 
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