Is Jesus the Lord Almighty?

[Sunsetclouds]

And are there Bible verses that describe the Holy Spirit as the Lord?

I was in a cult of a period of time that has sortive twisted how I interpret the Bible. So whenever I read it now, their interpretation jumps out at me even though I know it’s not true.

They taught that Jesus was in fact a angel that was made flesh, they use the passage of Genesis 6:4 to support this. There is not One Holy Spirit but in fact every time the Holy Spirit is referenced in the Bible, it actually means one of God’s holy angels.

They also taught that Jesus is lord, but much in the same way that Psalm 82:6 literally doesnt mean we are gods, Jesus is not Lord like the Lord God Almighty.

Thanks to anyone who answers. My mind is very twisted, I wish there were one on one Catholic Bible Studies I could attend but there is nothing where I am.

I should mention the cults name is Shincheonji if anyone is wondering.

 

[EndTimes]

And are there Bible verses that describe the Holy Spirit as the Lord?

No… The Holy Spirit is referred to in several manners
Such as The Spirit of God … The Spirit of Truth - The Advocate…

In the book of Hebrews - it is very clearly taught that Jesus is superior to angels.

Jesus? Is God’s WORD… Who existed with the Father in Heaven before coming to Earth as a babe.

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[Sunsetclouds]

Thank you for replying.

So does that mean that the Holy Spirit is not Lord?

Also they teach that Jesus is the first born before all creation. So He would naturally be there at the beginning of all creation, as He is the first creation.

How do we know that Jesus is equal to God? Because He can be superior to angels but less than God

 

[EndTimes]

So does that mean that the Holy Spirit is not Lord?

In the OT. Lord - is generally always used to refer to God
In the NT - God is used to refer to God the Father
and Lord is used to refer to Jesus …

Lord is never used in reference to God’s Holy Spirit

Jesus is the WORD of God… Think of that in a literal manner …

Think: What’s the dif between You and your Word?

When God Created - He Created via Words…

 

[Sunsetclouds]

So is Jesus the Lord Almighty or just Lord? And if the latter doesnt that mean He is not equal to the Father?

And since the Holy Spirit is not Lord then He is not God either

 

[Nik]

What about in the Nicene Creed “I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life”?
(Genuine question, I’m not being argumentative).

 

[EndTimes]

What about in the Nicene Creed “I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life”?
(Genuine question, I’m not being argumentative).

That’s a good one.

And since the Trinity is One - one cannot really separate those Distinct Persons very easily

Back to this cult: " They taught that Jesus was in fact a angel that was made flesh "

Since this is a Lie - generated by non-Christians . we shan’t forget it…

HEBREWS

1. God has Spoken by His Son

1WHEN IN FORMER TIMES God spoke to our forefathers, he spoke in fragmentary and varied fashion through the prophets. 2But in this the final age he has spoken to us in the Son whom he has made heir to the whole universe, and through whom he created all orders of existence: 3the Son who is the effulgence of God’s splendour and the stamp of God’s very being, and sustains Or: bears along. the universe by his word of power. When he had brought about the purgation of sins, he took his seat at the right hand of Majesty on high, 4raised as far above the angels, as the title he has inherited is superior to theirs.

The Son Superior to Angels - Ps.2.7, 2Sm.7.14, 1Chr.17.13

5For God never said to any angel, ‘Thou art my Son; today I have begotten thee’, or again, ‘I will be father to him, and he shall be my son.’ 6 [ Dt.32.43, Ps.97.7. ] Again, when he presents the first-born to the world, he says, ‘Let all the angels of God pay him homage.’ 7 [ Ps.104.4. ] Of the angels he says,

‘He who makes his angels winds,
and his ministers a fiery flame’;

8 [ Ps.45.6-7. ] but of the Son,

'Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever,
and the sceptre Or: God is thy throne for ever and ever, and thy sceptre … of justice is the sceptre of his kingdom.

13 [ Ps.110.1. ] To which of the angels has he ever said, ‘Sit at my right hand until I make thy enemies thy footstool’? 14What are they all but ministrant spirits, sent out to serve, for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

 

[fhansen]

Jesus told Philip that when we’ve seen Him we’ve seen the Father. It takes time to “see”; it’s just too “huge” of a thought, for a man to be God. And its difficult for us to comprehend anything much huger than ourselves anyway. But God was in the character, in the nature, in the expressions, in the being, of the person who was standing in front of Phillip.

"The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word." Heb 1:3

And yet while the bible isn’t perfectly clear in all ways concerning the person of the Son, it’s admittedly even less so regarding the Holy Spirit. But the Church knows.

 

[po18guy]

The Holy Spirit, is not only Lord, but is to be worshiped.
Here is the best explanation available: the Catechism, beginning at paragraph 243:
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p2.htm

 

[OddBird]

안녕하세요? 횐영함니다!

Doesn’t Shincheonji teach that Lee Man-hee is an incarnation of the Holy Spirit ?

There is no systematic and fully developed Trinitarian theology in the New Testament, which tends to designate the Holy Spirit with terms such as “the Holy Spirit”, “the Spirit of God”, “the Spirit of Jesus”, “the advocate”, “the gift”…

However, what the New Testament has to say is enough to be seen as the revelation of the third person of a Triune God, whose gift fulfills in us, as Peter says in Acts 2, the promise that Christ received from the Father. Being God, he is indeed Lord.

 

[Gorgias]

And since the Holy Spirit is not Lord then He is not God either

@EndTimes: this is why it’s important to be careful when you attempt to explain doctrine.

@Sunsetclouds: “Lord” is a title of reverence. In antiquity, it would have been used as an honorific for many people. Even these days, we call folks “sir” and “madam”, right? In addition, ancient Jews never used the proper name for God, and so they substituted other words for it, including “Lord”.

In other words, “Lord” isn’t the word that conclusively and exclusively means “God”. It’s used for God in the OT (when they didn’t have explicit knowledge of the Trinity), and it’s used for Jesus during His earthly ministry (when he was right in front of their faces, and therefore, they were calling him by a variety of titles). The fact that they don’t call the Holy Spirit “Lord” doesn’t mean that the Holy Spirit isn’t God. Just as they called Jesus ‘teacher’ and ‘master’, they called the Holy Spirit the ‘comforter’ or the ‘advocate’. In neither case do these mean that they aren’t also ‘God’.

With respect to your other question – “the equality between the Persons of God” – I think there are a few ways to approach that question:

• The three Persons of God are literally “of the same substance”. So, it would be odd to think of three “same” things and ask “which is ‘more’ than the other?” They are co-equal.
• In the Gospels, Jesus makes reference to the Father being greater. What can that possibly mean? Well, Paul tells us that Jesus “emptied himself” in His Incarnation. In a sense, then, in becoming human, Jesus humbled himself. Does that mean that he’s permanently humbled before the Father? I would think that this is an invalid conclusion. In his humanity, Jesus is truly human. But in his divinity, Jesus is truly God. It’s difficult to see how we’d say that Jesus is “less than” the Father.
• The Church teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds “from the Father and the Son”. If the Father and Son are co-equal, then it makes sense that the Holy Spirit is likewise co-equal.

 

[Todd_Easton]

And are there Bible verses that describe the Holy Spirit as the Lord?

I think the closest thing to a declaration of the divinity of the Holy Spirit are the words Peter said to Ananias, where lying to the Holy Spirit is equated with lying to God:

3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” (Acts 5:3-4)

 

[EndTimes]

And yet while the bible isn’t perfectly clear in all ways concerning the person of the Son, it’s admittedly even less so regarding the Holy Spirit. But the Church knows.

Actually… for those who have God’s Spirit - they would not be in agreement …

 

[fhansen]

Actually… for those who have God’s Spirit - they would not be in agreement …

Sounds good, but actually…many would agree with that statement while nonetheless often disagreeing with each other on the meaning of Scriptural passages.

 

[EndTimes]

Sounds good, but actually…many would agree with that statement while nonetheless often disagreeing with each other on the meaning of Scriptural passages.

Well… show me a for instance then… .so that we should discern them …

 

[fhansen]

Well… show me a for instance then… .so that we should discern them …

Well, you could go on a non-Catholic forum like I do and be amazed, most likely, at the disagreement over important matters that Sola Scriptura adherents often engage in between each other. But, to speak in general terms at this point, Scripture is not exhaustively clear on infant baptism, baptismal regeneration, the Real Presence in the Eucharist, assurance of salvation, the role of man’s will in salvation, whether or not it’s proper to worship on the Lords’ Day (1st day) vs the Sabbath (7th day). Even the non-deity of Jesus can be argued plausibly enough, going by Scripture alone.

Going by Scripture alone can result in a sort of best-guess theology, compared to the ancient Churches in the east and west where most of these matters were never even controversial, settled as they were at the beginning when they were received, and then cemented by practice since that time. Scripture was never intended to serve as an exhaustive, systematic catechism.

 

[christismylord]

How do we know that Jesus is equal to God?

(John 1:1) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

(John 1:14) “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

(John 10:30) “I and the Father are one."

(John 14:7) “If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

(John 20:28) “Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

(Philippians 2:5-6) “Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;”

(John 1:18) “ No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.”

(John 5:18) ”For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”

 

[christismylord]

And since the Holy Spirit is not Lord then He is not God either

The Holy Spirit is God.

(2 Corinthians 3:17) “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.”

(1 Corinthians 3:16) “Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?”

(Ephesians 4:30) “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”

(1 Corinthians 2:11) “For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.“

 

[Sunsetclouds]

정말 감사합니다!

Yes, in SCJ there is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth John 14:26, the one who overcomes (Rev 2 & 3), he has Jesus’ holy spirit come upon him to help him intercede on our behalf.

But there is also other angels (or holy spirits of God) that will come upon only the 144k at the end time (Ezekiel 11:19).

So depending on the verse, you can read the holy spirit in the Bible to either refer to one of God’s holy angels, or in reference to the Holy Spirit/counsellor aka - Lee Man Hee.

 

[Sunsetclouds]

I love these verses. John 1 especially is the reason I chose to come back to the Catholic Church.

But it’s still difficult to work my mind around other thoughts, such as is Jesus the Lord Almighty or is the Holy Spirit Lord, and other things.