Is Krishna God ?

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sorry didnt see page 2 here and everyones tackled this, but still 2 quotes are stated, what all is said by both. Then we can get into who said it first :rolleyes:

I suppose the only way is to determine which God is “better” ??
God works in mysterious ways.😃
 
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I agree the questions are meaningless, if the socio-religio-cultural (SRC) contexts are not taken into account. If the SRC context is factored in, then even a comparison of Dutch and US law can be informative.

For purposes of comparison, education or intellectual curiosity, certainly, but not as something theologically (or legally in the case of my example) binding.
“Theologically BINDING”…!? 🙂

That’s a pretty funny statement coming from an utter relativist, don’tcha think…!?

But I really WOULD love to hear you theory on “theological binding-ness”.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.
 
Hi
Krishna was a peaceful ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH/Parmesher as was JesusYeshuaIssa a ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH. It were their followers who made them God.
Thanks
 
“Theologically BINDING”…!? 🙂

That’s a pretty funny statement coming from an utter relativist, don’tcha think…!?

But I really WOULD love to hear you theory on “theological binding-ness”.
You’re going to first have to define the way in which you mean “relativist” before we can profitably discuss that.

Note that I never said that I consider either one theologically binding upon me. I do not follow either religion, but those who do follow those religions (or at least some who do–you for instance seem to feel that the Christian Scriptures are binding upon you) do indeed consider their sacred texts to be theologically binding. Kind of the point of a revealed religion.
 
Far be it from me to confuse you.

I was answering in terms of the TITLE to the thread, which was “is Krishna God” and so I said “no”.

To be sure I do not enlarge on any confusion, which “why” question" are you asking about & I will do my best to answer.
The why question of the original post, of course:
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obadiah:
I am wondering why the Hindu Religion states that Krishna is GOD when the Holy Bible states Jesus is GOD?
 
“Theologically BINDING”…!? 🙂

That’s a pretty funny statement coming from an utter relativist, don’tcha think…!?

But I really WOULD love to hear you theory on “theological binding-ness”.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.
Ua mao kay ea o ka ina e ka pono. Are you from da kine isles bra? Are you kama-ina?
 
The Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition (of which the “Hare Krishnas” are a part) sees all “demigods” and other dieties as emanations or manifestations of Krishna, who is their God. So technically, they are a monotheistic religion.

That tradition has nothing to do with Christianity whatsoever.

Other Hindus see Krishna differently. There is no real unifying Hindu religion - it is a misnomer applied by Western scholars to many, many competing sects that draw their basis from the Vedas and Upanishads.
 
Hi
Krishna was a peaceful ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH/Parmesher as was JesusYeshuaIssa a ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH. It were their followers who made them God.
Thanks
So do you see similarities in the two? However I just posted back a bit with others that each Krishna and Jesus both said in so many words that they are God. Thats whats spurring conversation. Please if you can comment on that aspect. Thank you 🙂
 
This is no easy answer although i am promted to say no, but my religous respect and tolerence leads me to read and study, so i can recommend this book that i read and found of great interest, it is called “the marriage of east and west” by Bede Griffiths, hope you guys will find it intrersting like i did, Enjoy! God be with you;)
 
Jesus was a historical figure and all of the scripture that sprang up around him is confirmed by all of the historical and sociological evidence that we have.

Krishna has no such historical evidence. Read through the Srimad Bhagavatam and see if you find them historically (or even morally) plausible.

If you are asking if devotees of Krishna will be saved (from a Christian perspective), that is between them and God. The documents from Vatican 2 can answer that better than I can.

As to whether Krishna is God, I think you’ll find the evidence and mythology that has evolved around him fairly dubious. Whether or not worshipping him can lead you to God is a different issue.
 
I agree with you 100%, 👍 , my intention was to try to understand others to clear their view about the matter, however i do recommend the book!
 
Jesus was a historical figure and all of the scripture that sprang up around him is confirmed by all of the historical and sociological evidence that we have.

Krishna has no such historical evidence. Read through the Srimad Bhagavatam and see if you find them historically (or even morally) plausible.
That leads to the interesting issue of the importance of history in spiritual practice. Since Hinduism claims to go back so far into history (4000 years, if not more), the historicity of key Hindu figures would naturally be more questionable, from the perspective of our 21st-century times. Alternatively, someone like Muhammad, or Guru Nanak (founder of the Sikhs), or Baha’ullah (founder of the Baha’is), would have stronger historicity claims surrounding them.

But, from a Hindu perspective, even though Krishna is thought to have lived around 3000 BCE, what’s important is the continuing devotion to Krishna that exists in India, and the revolutionaries, the saints, and the sages that such devotion has continually produced. Devotees of Krishna continue to claim to see Him, hear Him, or to be blessed by Him, in sundry ways. Thus, the historicity of Krishna, though important, is not as important as the possibility of encountering Krishna in one’s own, presently living, life.

Likewise, Christians are not content to simply point to the historicity of Jesus, and claim that salvation requires no more. Christ’s presence in the heart, in one’s present life, in one’s present day, is of just as equal, if not more, significance.
 
i believe that krishna is a demon …all the hindu Deity’s are,krishna supposedly married over one thousand women then killed them all…i watched the program called maharabat ,a indian special ,with english subtitles on the public stations…he never diffended the very low class the untouchables…i thing hes just a fairy tale not a true god but a …idol …demon…man made…stashko…stanislav … note the russian orthodox church also considers the Hindu Deity’s demonic deceptions…😛
 
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*“Theologically BINDING”…!? 🙂

That’s a pretty funny statement coming from an utter relativist, don’tcha think…!?

But I really WOULD love to hear you theory on “theological binding-ness”.*
You’re going to first have to define the way in which you mean “relativist” before we can profitably discuss that.
That would be true…! 🙂 In this instance, I’m refering to that “all religions are equal in various ways” consistency of your past writings, of which I’m aware,… which probably aren’t that many actually.

Anyway,… I was just amused by the usage of the phrase “theologically binding” in general. It’s a lovely thought provoker…! Thanks for saying it. 🙂
Note that I never said that I consider either one theologically binding upon me. I do not follow either religion, but those who do follow those religions (or at least some who do–you for instance seem to feel that the Christian Scriptures are binding upon you) do indeed consider their sacred texts to be theologically binding. Kind of the point of a revealed religion.
Yeah, I was thinking of the term as “binding” on other’s who aren’t “bound” by the constraints (beliefs) of a particular religion, which would be “odd”.

Since a “mature” religion doesn’t force people to be bound by it’s strictures other than by free choice due to belief, the cross-religious “bondage” is slavery,… which is a bad thing.

…you’re still my favorite goofy polytheist, Karen…!! 🙂 ‘Ya still have that “spirits” mixed up with “gods” thing goin’, but that’s a job requirement for a polytheist, so I’ll let 'ya slide on that one…! Nice of me, eh…? <ugh…!>

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.
 
Ua mao kay ea o ka ina e ka pono. Are you from da kine isles bra? Are you kama-ina?
Not from there. Hope to get there,… soonish.

Most certainly NOT kama’aina. Though, I wouldn’t mind having been kama’aina. I stay 'bout as haoli as deh come, eh…! My pipo from dat liddle green island ko’olau from da Brit’s islands in dat udda ocean way off sunrise way.

…And I think the spelling is:
Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono. The life (sovereignty) of the land is perpetuated in (by) righteousness

…but that’s wonderful that you know it such that you can misspell it…! I wish I could say that…! 🙂

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

aka: Thanks be to God! Blessings ever on you. Great love (to you).

E (may, !?]) pili (stick/adhere) mau (always) na pomaikai (blessings) ia oe (to you).

Yes, I need to work on my 'olelo…! 🙂
 
Not from there. Hope to get there,… soonish.

Most certainly NOT kama’aina. Though, I wouldn’t mind having been kama’aina. I stay 'bout as haoli as deh come, eh…! My pipo from dat liddle green island ko’olau from da Brit’s islands in dat udda ocean way off sunrise way.

…And I think the spelling is:
Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono. The life (sovereignty) of the land is perpetuated in (by) righteousness

…but that’s wonderful that you know it such that you can misspell it…! I wish I could say that…! 🙂

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

aka: Thanks be to God! Blessings ever on you. Great love (to you).

E (may, !?]) pili (stick/adhere) mau (always) na pomaikai (blessings) ia oe (to you).

Yes, I need to work on my 'olelo…! 🙂
I used to live in Kealakekua on the Big Island and transplanted coffee tree seedlings for a living. Sorry for the bad spelling, it’s been 20 years since I’ve been there, but I still remember the taste of sour poi and I used to mix guava juice with fresh poi. MMMMM.
 
That would be true…! 🙂 In this instance, I’m refering to that “all religions are equal in various ways” consistency of your past writings, of which I’m aware,… which probably aren’t that many actually.
I thought so. You’re going to have to back up your claim on that one. I would welcome a link to any post in which I said that “all religions are equal.” Over the past six months of my participation in this forum, I have consistently said (often in so many words and directly to you at least once IIRC) that I in fact do not consider all religions equal. If I did not consider my religion to be the most accurate depiction of the spiritual reality that I experience, why in the world would I choose to follow it? Particularly since it nets me no gain with my family or in my society nor does it make my life easier, rather the opposite?

In order to clear up any lingering misunderstanding between us, let me state clearly then that, yes, I believe that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all wrong because they claim an omnipotent, omniscient singular God. I believe they are all wrong even if they all are in fact worshipping different Gods but they each believe their God to be omnipotent, omniscient and singular. Therefore I do not consider them to be equal to my own religion because they offer an inadequate and erroneous depiction of the spiritual reality which I and millions of others throughout history have said we have experienced. There are also other religions that I believe are wrong, but usually for other reasons. That is why I do not follow them.

Surely that is enough for folks to quit accusing me of belonging to the “all paths lead to the same place” or “all religions are equally valid” relativism group simply because I say I am a Neopagan? There are a great many different theological streams in the various religions that are grouped under the Neopagan umbrella.
 
I am a Hare Krishna devotee 15+ years in the movement, with several initiations, former pujari and head pujari at the Honolulu ISKON temple. I have been wondering lately about this particular question, and have through agony and suffering come to the conclusion that I cannot believe any of what I have been involved with - but what IS good about it, is that it develops devotion in people, or at least a respect for being devoted - and devotion is a basic part of the human heart. I have chanted for many hours every day (when not working as a teacher in public school, as I presently am not due to foot surgery)… and the mantra is indeed very calming. We are told chanting the Hare Krishna mantra is the only way in Kali Yuga (the age of quarrel and hypocrisy) - actually, I have a more positive view of our age than that. As Srila Prabhupada points out, Krishna states without equivocating in the Bhagavad Gita that he is…God. That book is not meant to be an allegory, according to Srila Prabhupada. (He brought KC to the west in the '60’s.) Yet - I am embarrassed to say that now, I do not believe anything. It all strikes me as outlandish. Plus it is on a very intellectual level - speaking as one from the inside, I know. We spend huge amounts of time never arriving, and always striving, to find our role in serving Radha and Krishna in Goloka Vrndavan (the spiritual world), from which once you make it there, above countless other levels of lower reality, all detailed in the Vedas, you “come no more out” which I think is a phrase in the bible. Except, certain special gurus DO come out and back, to assist…- and personally, well, no further comment for now. The average devotee is encouraged to believe (My concept not theirs) in putting on their pjs. Meaning, go to Goloka and never come back. Enjoy there desire trees, and endless pastimes with Krishna and Radha. Here on earth, endless lectures, words, books. If you are intellectually oriented, this is great - the Vedic paradigm is more complex than anything else I know about. Period. It is endlessly variegated. But…! That spiritual world is ENTIRELY Vedic - saris, cows, churning of butter, and, most of all, and the chief emblem of advancement… is the romantic exploits (in which devotees serve at the topmost levels, Srimati Radharani - this is the crux of what we are training for, and it is kept undercover except for one extremely popular guru now in his 80’s who is attracting a huge following by bringing all this stuff out) - of Lord Krishna and Radha. * I am sorry if i offend anyone. Suffice it to say, my entire life is in the process of being turned upside down. I live in a house full of devotees - all of whom seem, to me of course, to be where I was… .in delusion. There are reasons, psychological ones, why western devotees feel they must move beyond Christ, to something they absolutely see as** higher**. I now see, clearly, what a mistake this is. Most especially FOR MYSELF, within my own AUTHENTIC self. And more than that, pardon me if I offend anyone, please, I cannot argue - my state is fragile at present… more than that: it is a horrible affront and complete misunderstanding of our situation here on earth. I suppose it is a gift that I am finally recognizing this. I know I never ever expected this to happen. Up until relatively recently, I was rocking along. I am not feeling too eloquent tonight - all my changes and pain are taking their toll. But I am finding help and contacts and anyone who wants to write to me, I would be happy to say more. Within myself, I am finding an incredible light - I am so thankful. I think you can write to me privately using this forum. I just joined it.*
 
I am a Hare Krishna devotee 15+ years in the movement, with several initiations, former pujari and head pujari at the Honolulu ISKON temple. I have been wondering lately about this particular question, and have through agony and suffering come to the conclusion that I cannot believe any of what I have been involved with
I myself spent a lot of time as a “fringe” devotee - meaning I was very involved but never took the plunge and got initiated, moved into a temple, etc. - so I have a lot of respect for ISKCON and a lot of misgivings.

It took a long time for Jesus to win me over, and there are still days where I’m not completely sure he has.

But ultimately, I totally understand what drew you in and if you want to send me a private message, feel free.

I’ll pray for you.
 
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