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Maximian
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If not, why not? It is obviously important.
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Jbrady
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Usually no more than a schoolboy overview. Learning Latin to the point where it can be used to read religious texts takes thousands of hours over several years. It just isn’t worth the time and effort when translations serve the purpose well enough for most priests. With time limited, there are generally bigger fish to fry.If not, why not? It is obviously important.
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Maximian
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OK but it is still taught? If you go to seminary, it’s 100 percent that you will do Latin?
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Traddy1962
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Our bishop mandated that all his seminarians Learn latin. The expectation is that they can say the EF mass when ordained. Not just say the words either, but know what they’re saying.
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Maximian
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Exactly. If Catholics have a right to the Extraordinary Form, it seems obvious that basic Latin must be in every priest’s toolbox.
If a priest is sent to a diocese where he expects sometimes to say the Mass in Spanish, you would assume he would need to learn basic Spanish.
If a priest is sent to a diocese where he expects sometimes to say the Mass in Spanish, you would assume he would need to learn basic Spanish.
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Jbrady
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Not necessarily. Like I said, the Latin they teach is generally no more than an extremely basic, schoolboy overview except with seminarians that are specifically going to require it in their future careers.If you go to seminary, it’s 100 percent that you will do Latin?
No, it’s not all that obvious. What is obvious is that there are bigger fish to fry with the limited time and resources available. To put it in business terms, the ROI does not justify the opportunity cost.it seems obvious that basic Latin must be in every priest’s toolbox.
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Maximian
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Do they study any subjects apart from theology ?
Ive just found this in the code of canon law, I suppose it’s still in force and if so presumably the reason for it was obvious to those who included it?
Can. 249 The program of priestly formation is to provide that students not only are carefully taught their native language but also understand Latin well and have a suitable understanding of those foreign languages which seem necessary or useful for their formation or for the exercise of pastoral ministry.
Ive just found this in the code of canon law, I suppose it’s still in force and if so presumably the reason for it was obvious to those who included it?
Can. 249 The program of priestly formation is to provide that students not only are carefully taught their native language but also understand Latin well and have a suitable understanding of those foreign languages which seem necessary or useful for their formation or for the exercise of pastoral ministry.
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humilityseeker
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Why not ask at a Seminary you might be interested in joining.Do they study any subjects apart from theology ?
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Jbrady
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Of course, they do. That seems like a funny question coming from you.Do they study any subjects apart from theology ?
Here’s a typical curriculum:
http://www.stmarys.edu/seminary/pri...l-formation/programs/model-curriculum-schema/
There is usually also some training in the business and financial aspects of running a parish.
As you noted, Spanish is often taught, and sometimes other languages as well, depending on local need. And, of course, English, since a good number of seminarians in the US are foreign born non-English speakers and need to beef up their English skills.
That’s more of an ideal than a reality. It would be nice, but time and resources are limited and, again, there are bigger fish to fry.Can. 249
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Maximian
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Actually I see nothing in the curriculum that isn’t theology related. No foreign languages, no literature, no sciences or maths.Of course, they do. That seems like a funny question coming from you.
Here’s a typical curriculum:
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Jbrady
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Languages are there (Latin or Spanish).Actually I see nothing in the curriculum that isn’t theology related. No foreign languages, no literature, no sciences or maths.
The other things you mention would have been acquired during undergraduate studies.
The business/financial/legal coursework may not be listed there, but it is required in practically all, if not all, US diocesan seminaries and takes up a good chunk of time.
One seminary does it this way:
" Seminarians are required to participate in a program to foster financial literacy which was developed with a grant from The Lilly Foundation. The “Pastors and Stewards” program has five phases. The first is a 40-hour on-line course in personal finance (undergraduate credit available through the University Bolte School of Business). The remaining four phases consist of computer assisted modules (CAMS): two on parish finances, and one each on parish legal issues and on parish human resource skills."
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Maximian
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Oh? I couldn’t see that. ApologiesLanguages are there (Latin or Spanish).
Tis_Bearself
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Someone who is interested in learning Latin often has opportunities to do so during high school or undergraduate school and can have a fair-to-good knowledge of it before he gets to the seminary.
I would guess that the type of seminarian who wants to get really into Latin probably already started as a teenager.
I would guess that the type of seminarian who wants to get really into Latin probably already started as a teenager.
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Traddy1962
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You seem to act like learning Latin is some big daunting task, and that learning, say Spanish, isn’t? It’s the language of Holy Mother Church. I would say it probably is a pretty good and valuable thing for a priest to learn latin, and probably happens more than one would think.
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Jbrady
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Don’t know where you got that idea. Both are daunting tasks. I learned Latin in prep school and college, and I’m learning Spanish now. I also speak German, Danish and Polish. Learning any language is hard and time consuming. You don’t invest tat much time and effort unless the payoff is worth it, and for by far most priests, it isn’t.You seem to act like learning Latin is some big daunting task, and that learning, say Spanish, isn’t?
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Learning Latin, and learning to offer the EF, are two different things.
Is Latin more important than learning Greek? Is Greek currently encouraged it required in seminaries?
Latin is important for those going on for specialized academic careers. But
I think a lot fewer priests are preparing to go on for academic careers. Dioceses, and some religious orders, are emphasizing parishes almost exclusively.
Does anyone know if, or how much seminaries are encouraging prep for the EF? Any religious orders besides the obvious?
Is Latin more important than learning Greek? Is Greek currently encouraged it required in seminaries?
Latin is important for those going on for specialized academic careers. But
I think a lot fewer priests are preparing to go on for academic careers. Dioceses, and some religious orders, are emphasizing parishes almost exclusively.
Does anyone know if, or how much seminaries are encouraging prep for the EF? Any religious orders besides the obvious?
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Jbrady
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That’s true. You don’t have to understand Latin to offer the EF, or to be a cardinal, never mind a priest. And that was true even before Vatican II.Learning Latin, and learning to offer the EF, are two different things.
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Latin would be rare. More likely Greek and Hebrew.
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Do all seminarians study Greek and Hebrew now, or only those specifically going for advanced degrees?Latin would be rare. More likely Greek and Hebrew.
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I’m aware of one seminary that offers it (or did offer it) as an “extracurricular” optionDoes anyone know if, or how much seminaries are encouraging prep for the EF? Any religious orders besides the obvious?
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