Is Life Teen an orthodox organization?

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lacoloratura:
There are plenty of liturgical abuses going on everywhere, that have nothing to do with LifeTeen. Just because SOME parishes may still be laboring under incorrect direction does not mean that the program doesn’t touch people. The LT Mass at our parish is great - the only difference between it and the other Masses is that the music is in a contemporary style (which I know is offensive to some, but honestly that is a matter of opinion) and there are a number of high school/jr high students involved in the Mass as lectors, musicians, etc. (which I can’t think is a BAD thing!). If you have had a bad experience with LifeTeen, I’m sorry. But I often feel that these threads end up being an opportunity for angry people to say nasty things about others’ opinions, and I hate it. If you think your parish’s LifeTeen ministry needs redirection, get involved rather than just complaining!!!
I am sorry you hate, but no one forced you to post here. Also, with regards to the music, the contemporary stuff needs to go, why else do we have hymanls, yet we pay no heed to them least of all Life Teen “messes”
why else are the hymnals there?
 
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roymckenzie:
Orthodox to me does not necessarily mean Gregorian chants what it means is following the letter and spirit of the GIRM and all Catholic traditions. If an electric guitar or a pan flute is used as long as it enhances the mass and not detracts from it I am fine with it. Shoot I would even allow bagpipes or an accordion if that would work naturally with the mass.
Now those are sentiments I can fully agree with! 🙂
 
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Sean.McKenzie:
I am sorry you hate, but no one forced you to post here. Also, with regards to the music, the contemporary stuff needs to go, why else do we have hymanls, yet we pay no heed to them least of all Life Teen “messes”
why else are the hymnals there?
At one time, all music was new. If “contemporary stuff needs to go” was the attitude the Church had held since the beginning, the Church would have never accepted novelties such as Gregorian chant and the music of Palestrina.
 
The biggest problem I see here is lack of understand and an unwillingness to support something other and the OLD way. I know individuals from Life Teen. They are great. OK, they may not be your typical Catholic, ok so they like Loud music, ok so they actually sing and dance in Church. THE MASS IS A CELEBRATION. Too many “ROBOT” Catholic forget that.
 
have been to Life Teen Masses, gatherings and events in 5 dioceses, with my own children, relatives and others, saw terrible abuses of the liturgy - in parishes where the conduct of the regular Sunday liturgies was also rife with abuse. I heard dissent - in parishes where the pastors, catechists and lay leadership was riven with dissent. I saw beautiful liturgies with full, active participation that any parish would envy, with parts of the Mass sung in Latin–in parishes where the regular Sunday liturgies are reverent and conform to the norms and attention is paid to the music and other aspects in service of the liturgy.

Life Teen is as good or bad as the parishes and adults who administer it. The other times I have seen LT fail is in parishes who have washed their hands of responsibility for youth once they are confirmed (in the lower grades up to 8) and LT has been brought in by well-meaning adults to serve those teens, but poorly implemented out of ignorance and lack of support from the parish priest, who should know better.
 
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Sean.McKenzie:
I I have been to Life Teen programs in which frequently the leaders pray over a certain teen in the form of tongues, as if it is a gift given to just anyone, this is apalling i do not doubt, that the Holy Spirit does cause thiose gifts to occur, but it being sported around like a pair oif shoes, only a select few actually have that ability. As well as being slain in the spirit during adoration. .
the charismatic aspect is not part of the LT program and has probably been introduced by adult leaders who have participated in the charismatic renewal. In my opinion it is a mistake to introduce the charismatic dimention to any youth group or program without full “initiation” by means of Life in the Spirit seminars, where there is a choice, and full explanation of what is going on and why.
 
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rcn:
Your post #2 showed a lack of understanding of the “big picture” of Lifeteen. You weren’t posting “TRUTH” - you were posting your limited opinion. ?
this is a forum. on a forum people are invited to give their personal opinion. since none of us is the bishop or pope (unless we have not deciphered his screen name) that is the most any of us can give. the original question invited personal opinion. If they had been seeking a definitive judgement they would have gone to their bishop, not this forum. Poster is entirely in line offering personal experience with LT and we are grateful for the testimony.
 
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dhgray:
The biggest problem I see here is lack of understand and an unwillingness to support something other and the OLD way. I know individuals from Life Teen. They are great. OK, they may not be your typical Catholic, ok so they like Loud music, ok so they actually sing and dance in Church. THE MASS IS A CELEBRATION. Too many “ROBOT” Catholic forget that.
What are you trying to say with the “ROBOT” statement? Are you inferring that orthodox Catholics are somehow less human? Why is it that those who appreciate the classical mass and the classical music are somehow lesser than those who push the envelope?
 
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puzzleannie:
this is a forum. on a forum people are invited to give their personal opinion. since none of us is the bishop or pope (unless we have not deciphered his screen name) that is the most any of us can give. the original question invited personal opinion. If they had been seeking a definitive judgement they would have gone to their bishop, not this forum. Poster is entirely in line offering personal experience with LT and we are grateful for the testimony.
:amen::amen::amen::amen::amen::amen::amen:
 
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roymckenzie:
What are you trying to say with the “ROBOT” statement? Are you inferring that orthodox Catholics are somehow less human? Why is it that those who appreciate the classical mass and the classical music are somehow lesser than those who push the envelope?
Not at all Roy. I love the classical Orthodox Mass and the deep worship and reverence. But I see many wanting to take the “Cookie-Cutter” approach to Catholicism and if there is one little thing that is not EXACTLY the way they were taught (right or wrong) they throw up the “Liturgical Abuse” flag and run around like Chicken Little (“the sky is falling, the sky is falling”).
 
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Sean.McKenzie:
I have been to Life Teen programs in which frequently the leaders pray over a certain teen in the form of tongues, as if it is a gift given to just anyone, this is apalling i do not doubt, that the Holy Spirit does cause thiose gifts to occur, but it being sported around
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WOW Sean. You know exactly how the Holy Spirit works. I’m so glad you clarified the verses:
1 Corinthians 12:11:
But one and the same Spirit produces all of these, distributing them individually to each person as he wishes.
Hebrews 2:4:
God added his testimony by signs, wonders, various acts of power, and distribution of the gifts of the holy Spirit according to his will.
So you are saying the Holy Spirit distributes as Sean believes, because if you doubt it, it must note be real …:hmmm:
 
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dhgray:
The biggest problem I see here is lack of understand and an unwillingness to support something other and the OLD way. I know individuals from Life Teen. They are great. OK, they may not be your typical Catholic, ok so they like Loud music, ok so they actually sing and dance in Church. THE MASS IS A CELEBRATION. Too many “ROBOT” Catholic forget that.
A SOLEMN CELEBRATION
 
dhgray said:
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WOW Sean. You know exactly how the Holy Spirit works. I’m so glad you clarified the verses:

So you are saying the Holy Spirit distributes as Sean believes, because if you doubt it, it must note be real …:hmmm:

The point of this forum is to give witness and testimony, and to find a definitive answer here. One need not be a bishop to clarify how a mass should be celebrated. You took my quote out of context, maybe if you would have added the rest then it would have made a whole lot more sense. Instead, you spout off venemous remarks. If you cannot be Christian enough to simply give you position in a Charitable manner, then why are you posting on a Catholic website?
 
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Sean.McKenzie:
A SOLEMN CELEBRATION
Which of the following definitions of solemn is the one you are using?

From www.merriamwebster.com:
1 : marked by the invocation of a religious sanction <a solemn oath>
2 : marked by the observance of established form or ceremony; specifically : celebrated with full liturgical ceremony
3 a : awe-inspiring : SUBLIME b : marked by grave sedateness and earnest sobriety c : SOMBER, GLOOMY
synonym see SERIOUS
And, which one is the source of the phrase solemn celebration using?

In fact, when examining the definition of the word celebration in the context of something such as the Mass, it is almost redundant to use the word solemn:
1 : to perform (a sacrament or solemn ceremony) publicly and with appropriate rites <celebrate the mass>
 
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puzzleannie:
In my opinion it is a mistake to introduce the charismatic dimention to any youth group or program without full “initiation” by means of Life in the Spirit seminars, where there is a choice, and full explanation of what is going on and why.
Excellent thought and one I think I never thought. Both may be valid movement, but mixing the two could be imprudent.
 
Of course Mass is serious.

Serious involves need for your full attention, your full self. I would like one person to stand here and find some other reason we use insence besides “its always been done” or the better reason that it helps lift our hearts to God and make us focus.

Gregorain Chant evolved from ancient PAGAN theatre, where plays were chanted in song. I’m sorry if I don’t believe that hymnals now adays are glorious and divine revelation so that all men can sing a certian way.

Being serious durning Mass dosn’t mean you can’t sing and enjoy singing. We have every right to bring to God what we can. Mass is a solemn celebration but it dosn’t have to be boring, not that ordinary Masses are, its a different way of doing things, a different song, now that the litigurical errors have been corrected.

The music of the Mass should reflect culture. All else should remain the same, and with the corrections done to the Mass, it is.

One more thing I have never been to a Lifeteen mass that lasted less than 1 1/2 hours…and no matter which church I go to I have never been to a NO mass that lasted more than one hour…I would take the longer Mass anyday.
 
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Meggie:
Of course Mass is serious.

Serious involves need for your full attention, your full self. I would like one person to stand here and find some other reason we use insence besides “its always been done” or the better reason that it helps lift our hearts to God and make us focus.

Gregorain Chant evolved from ancient PAGAN theatre, where plays were chanted in song. I’m sorry if I don’t believe that hymnals now adays are glorious and divine revelation so that all men can sing a certian way.

Being serious durning Mass dosn’t mean you can’t sing and enjoy singing. We have every right to bring to God what we can. Mass is a solemn celebration but it dosn’t have to be boring, not that ordinary Masses are, its a different way of doing things, a different song, now that the litigurical errors have been corrected.

The music of the Mass should reflect culture. All else should remain the same, and with the corrections done to the Mass, it is.

One more thing I have never been to a Lifeteen mass that lasted less than 1 1/2 hours…and no matter which church I go to I have never been to a NO mass that lasted more than one hour…I would take the longer Mass anyday.
I think you should quote your source, because my source speaks nothing of Gregorian Chant coming from pagans! It in fact originated frm Gregory the Great! If you want to really have a concise and true undesrrstanding of where Gregorian Chant came form here is a link
 
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Meggie:
Of course Mass is serious.

Serious involves need for your full attention, your full self. I would like one person to stand here and find some other reason we use insence besides “its always been done” or the better reason that it helps lift our hearts to God and make us focus.

Gregorain Chant evolved from ancient PAGAN theatre, where plays were chanted in song. I’m sorry if I don’t believe that hymnals now adays are glorious and divine revelation so that all men can sing a certian way.

Being serious durning Mass dosn’t mean you can’t sing and enjoy singing. We have every right to bring to God what we can. Mass is a solemn celebration but it dosn’t have to be boring, not that ordinary Masses are, its a different way of doing things, a different song, now that the litigurical errors have been corrected.

The music of the Mass should reflect culture. All else should remain the same, and with the corrections done to the Mass, it is.

One more thing I have never been to a Lifeteen mass that lasted less than 1 1/2 hours…and no matter which church I go to I have never been to a NO mass that lasted more than one hour…I would take the longer Mass anyday.
I think you should quote your source, because my source speaks nothing of Gregorian Chant coming from pagans! It in fact originated frm Gregory the Great! If you want to really have a concise and true undesrrstanding of where Gregorian Chant came form here is a link
 
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Sean.McKenzie:
If you want to really have a concise and true undesrrstanding of where Gregorian Chant came form here is a link
I followed your link and it was far from conclusive. I looked around and found some predates St. Gregory, including some written by St Ambrose in the 4th century. Certainly St. Gregory had something to do with it, but other sources may have, too.

I do not know about pagans, but I think Marty Haugen wrote some of it.😃
 
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Sean.McKenzie:
I think you should quote your source, because my source speaks nothing of Gregorian Chant coming from pagans! It in fact originated frm Gregory the Great! If you want to really have a concise and true undesrrstanding of where Gregorian Chant came form here is a link
The article at NewAdvent.org says the following:
The name Gregorian chant points to Gregory the Great (590-604), to whom a pretty constant tradition ascribes a certain final arrangement of the Roman chant. . . .

. . . .The testimony of John the Deacon, Gregory’s biographer (c. 872), is quite trustworthy. Amongst other considerations the very modest claim he makes for the saint, “antiphonarium centonem. . . compilavit” (he compiled a patchwork antiphonary), shows that he was not carried away by a desire to eulogize his hero.
The article indicates that Gregory the great compiled and put together the final arrangement of those chants. This would indicate that he was not their author but merely the one who collected them and put them into greater use. The article does not in fact address the origin of the chants but how they came to be called Gregorian chants.

Even in the probable case that the chants were written by holy people of the Church, we still do not know whether they drew upon musical forms in use by various different pagan groups. We know that the Christians took what had previously been images of secular or pagan art and “converted” them into sacred art forms. Likewise, some of the literary forms employed by the authors of Scripture were those in use by the culture of the time. And let us not forget the Latin language, which had been the language of a decidedly un-Christian Roman Empire. Yet even that was used in the Liturgy of the Church to such an extent that it became the official liturgical language of the Roman Catholic Church, even to the point of some calling it a sacred language.
 
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